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First of all, your "summary" is just a WUWT article. It's written by "Mike Jonas," who appears to have no relevant education, credentials or experience in any scientific field at all.
Second, I'm telling you that Svensmark started advancing this theory in 1997. You claim that I'm wrong by citing a biased summary that says... uh... "Svensmark started advancing this theory in 1997" and "the theory is 20 years old." Comedy gold!
You insist that this new paper will turn climate science upside down. And yet, your WUWT summary points out that the GCR theory has been ignored for 20+ years.
To call the WUWT summary "biased" would be an understatement. Climate science was not "shaken" by the theory. Climatologists have examined the claims; they've pointed out numerous flaws in Svensmark's theories; and lab experiments like the CLOUD system at CERN provide evidence that the effects of cosmic rays on temperature are quite small. Yet again, the most obvious problem is that there is no viable correlation between cosmic rays and global temperatures. And the new paper doesn't really respond to a lot of the criticism of and problems with his theories.
I'm curious, which did you not read -- my post? Svensmark's paper? The WUWT article? Or all three?
It is also amazing how, yet again, you just make your position worse in your attempts to defend it. Keep up the, uh, work.
Actually the IPCC downplayed Svensmark's ideas by slightly broadening the cause of the uncertainty.
Consider the statement from Baede, et al 2001, still cited as the more comprehensive climate science reference.
Since the forcing effects of 2XCO2 is 1.2°C, and the uncertainty caused from our limited knowledgeIf the amount of carbon dioxide were doubled instantaneously,
with everything else remaining the same, the outgoing infrared
radiation would be reduced by about 4 Wm-2. In other words, the
radiative forcing corresponding to a doubling of the CO2 concentration
would be 4 Wm-2. To counteract this imbalance, the
temperature of the surface-troposphere system would have to
increase by 1.2°C (with an accuracy of ±10%), in the absence of
other changes. In reality, due to feedbacks, the response of the
climate system is much more complex. It is believed that the
overall effect of the feedbacks amplifies the temperature increase to 1.5 to 4.5°C.
A significant part of this uncertainty range arises from our limited knowledge
of clouds and their interactions with radiation.
of clouds and their interactions with radiation (I.E. part of Svensmark's theory) is 3 °C,
it would be easy to believe the effects from cloud formation, are greater than effects from CO2.