Supremes to rule on baker who refused to bake gay wedding cake

NonConformer · Jun 29, 2017

Soon the U.S. Supreme court will make a ruling regarding a baker in Colorado who refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding. In all of the articles and editorials and heated debate around this issue, there are some questions that I have not seen addressed:

First of all: Did Jack Phillips, the baker, offer to refer them to a colleague or competitor who would have been happy to have their business?

Were there other bakers in the area? Where exactly in Colorado did this occur? Is it a tiny village up in the mountains and the nearest other baker is a hundred miles away? Or is it in, say, Denver, where I'm quite certain that many, many bakers have set up shop? (If it was the former, then I suppose a case could be made that Phillips' refusal to serve them created a hardship, but that is a different issue ...)

And finally, did they gay couple attempt to negotiate with him? If Phillips normally charges $X for a wedding cake, did they, for example, offer to pay him double? (Considering what couples spend on weddings these days, that would be peanuts.) That would have been MUCH simpler and less expensive than suing him!

Because none of these very relevant questions have been discussed, I suspect that what this case is truly all about is that this gay just couple wanted to make a big political statement. I bet you anything that they probably searched all over for a baker who WOULD refuse them, just so they could make a big stink about it.

celticwar17 · Jun 29, 2017

Stephen Crowder did an experiment to Muslim wedding cake bakeries where he walked in as a stereotypical gay man and he was refused service. I think he tried like 4 of them and 2/4 refused.

He was trying to show that he thinks this Christian bakery was targeted because they were white and christian in order to make a big story on it. I think the story would have been very different if it was a Muslim bakery.

ModerateRN · Jun 29, 2017

celticwar17 said:
Stephen Crowder did an experiment to Muslim wedding cake bakeries where he walked in as a stereotypical gay man and he was refused service. I think he tried like 4 of them and 2/4 refused.

He was trying to show that he thinks this Christian bakery was targeted because they were white and christian in order to make a big story on it. I think the story would have been very different if it was a Muslim bakery.

Why do you think it would have been different if it was a Muslim bakery? Are there a lot of Muslim bakeries in their area that the couple skipped past to find the Christian baker the would refuse them? Maybe it was just the baker that their hall recommended.

Since we are just throwing out unfounded theories, I have one
MAYBE, A future projection of themselves was sent, you know from the future, and told them that if they did not get this man's cake at their wedding that it would start a domino effect that would end in the demise of the Christian faith. So the gay couple trying to get this Christian to bake them a cake is actually in the service of Christ.

I am curious how this ends up, religious liberty or anti discrimination. Should make for a media circus either way.

SocialD · Jun 29, 2017

NonConformer said:
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Soon the U.S. Supreme court will make a ruling regarding a baker in Colorado who refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding. In all of the articles and editorials and heated debate around this issue, there are some questions that I have not seen addressed:

First of all: Did Jack Phillips, the baker, offer to refer them to a colleague or competitor who would have been happy to have their business?

Were there other bakers in the area? Where exactly in Colorado did this occur? Is it a tiny village up in the mountains and the nearest other baker is a hundred miles away? Or is it in, say, Denver, where I'm quite certain that many, many bakers have set up shop? (If it was the former, then I suppose a case could be made that Phillips' refusal to serve them created a hardship, but that is a different issue ...)

And finally, did they gay couple attempt to negotiate with him? If Phillips normally charges $X for a wedding cake, did they, for example, offer to pay him double? (Considering what couples spend on weddings these days, that would be peanuts.) That would have been MUCH simpler and less expensive than suing him!

Because none of these very relevant questions have been discussed, I suspect that what this case is truly all about is that this gay just couple wanted to make a big political statement. I bet you anything that they probably searched all over for a baker who WOULD refuse them, just so they could make a big stink about it.

The bakery in question is in the Denver area (Lakewood) map shows several bakeries in the area. An article I read said he was fine serving gay customers for birthday cakes and stuff like that just not weddings. Which is similar to the Oregon baker who had the same thing happen to them. I know in that case the owner referred them to other bakers. I think that 'some' activist minded gay people are purposely fishing for someone who wont serve them that they can sue for a political statement.

DamnYankee · Jun 30, 2017

NonConformer said:
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Soon the U.S. Supreme court will make a ruling regarding a baker in Colorado who refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding. In all of the articles and editorials and heated debate around this issue, there are some questions that I have not seen addressed:

First of all: Did Jack Phillips, the baker, offer to refer them to a colleague or competitor who would have been happy to have their business?

Were there other bakers in the area? Where exactly in Colorado did this occur? Is it a tiny village up in the mountains and the nearest other baker is a hundred miles away? Or is it in, say, Denver, where I'm quite certain that many, many bakers have set up shop? (If it was the former, then I suppose a case could be made that Phillips' refusal to serve them created a hardship, but that is a different issue ...)

And finally, did they gay couple attempt to negotiate with him? If Phillips normally charges $X for a wedding cake, did they, for example, offer to pay him double? (Considering what couples spend on weddings these days, that would be peanuts.) That would have been MUCH simpler and less expensive than suing him!

Because none of these very relevant questions have been discussed, I suspect that what this case is truly all about is that this gay just couple wanted to make a big political statement. I bet you anything that they probably searched all over for a baker who WOULD refuse them, just so they could make a big stink about it.

Phillips bakery is in Lakewood. A suburb of Denver and in the metro area. Seems there would be plenty of bakeries available. According to Phillips he offered alternatives to the homosexuals which included other goods he made, all were rejected.

One of the homosexuals said, "it's always been more than just a cake." Sounds to me Phillips was targeted for his beliefs, which would not surprise me, but now it's up to the SCOTUS.

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