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Supreme Court: States do not have disclose lethal injection drugs

TacticalEvilDan said:
If the state needs to keep a secret for any reason other than either state security or to protect the rights of an individual, then it is doing something wrong.

Conservatives talk about the wonders of the free market all the time, but I guess that's just for when it's convenient.
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And in this case it is protecting the drug makers rights. :shrug:
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
As is their god-given right. The manufacturers of drugs used to execute have no inherent right to secrecy and the public's interests are not served by that secrecy. If you keep the drugs secret, then there's nothing stopping the government from using any methodology they wish.
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All drugs can be traced to their original makers if it is able to be studied and the maker is working legally. IE: registered as a business and follows the laws and regulations that pertain to them.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Actually there is nothing in the Constitution which prohibits the death penalty. But there is a way in which the Constitution gives the power to the Government to use the death penalty. Or do you think that the government doesn't have the power to legislate punishments for breaking laws?
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TacticalEvilDan said:
I offered no argument that the 8th Amendment bars capital punishment.
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Just saying.
 
Kal'Stang said:
All drugs can be traced to their original makers if it is able to be studied and the maker is working legally. IE: registered as a business and follows the laws and regulations that pertain to them.
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When the government keeps the entire process a secret, what kind of traceability is there that prevents the government from injecting the condemned with whatever cocktail they want?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
They do not have a right to secrecy, especially seeing as how they're doing business with the government. This is not a defense contract.
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The people that make the drugs do have a right to privacy. Just because you work for the government does not mean your right to privacy flies out the window. Doesn't matter if its a defense contract or a private contract. (oh, look it there..."private" contract). Those people have a Right to not be harassed by folks that are against the death penalty.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
When the government keeps the entire process a secret, what kind of traceability is there that prevents the government from injecting the condemned with whatever cocktail they want?
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That's the point. Those that make the drugs don't want traceability. They don't want to be harassed and threatened. Nor should they be.

Now, if you want accountability, demand proof from the government that the drugs aren't "cruel and unusual". Shouldn't be too hard. Inject an animal with it. Of course then you have PETA going after ya, :shrug: but hey, you want proof right? What's more important, possible cruel and unusual punishment on a human...or possible cruel and unusual punishment an animal? There's lots of rats out there ready for the testing.
 
jamesrage said:
The only reason these pieces of **** and their rat lawyers were suing is to delay their execution and perhaps have scumbag sympathizers intimidate drug makers into not selling their drugs to death penalty states. This is a good ruling.
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Do you believe that state has a contract to use the drug manufatures' drug in a lethal concoction?

If a drug company does not want their drug used as the method of execution...should they have the right to object to the use of their drug for that purpose?

When the pharmaceutical company Lundbeck put controls in place to prevent prisons from purchasing pentobarbital for use in executions, the Ohio Department of Corrections tried to bypass the controls by ordering drugs through the Ohio Department of Mental Health. One official wrote to another: “When you call them to see if they will sell to us make sure you say we are the Department of Mental Health do not mention anything about corrections in the phone call or what we use the drug for.”
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Kal'Stang said:
The people that make the drugs do have a right to privacy. Just because you work for the government does not mean your right to privacy flies out the window. Doesn't matter if its a defense contract or a private contract. (oh, look it there..."private" contract). Those people have a Right to not be harassed by folks that are against the death penalty.
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Everyone has a right to not be harassed. No business has the right to conceal its dealings with the government or to be immune to a boycott or negative feedback.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Everyone has a right to not be harassed. No business has the right to conceal its dealings with the government or to be immune to a boycott or negative feedback.
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Do you really think that having the business out in the open for something like this won't bring about harassment of its employee's by the extreme fringe? Or let me guess...call the police? Yeah...when seconds count police are only 5-20 minutes away. amirite?! And yes, the owners of a business does have the right to conceal its dealings with the government. Right to privacy does not become null and void just because you own a business that has dealings with the government.

There is no need to know this information. You want to find out of the drug could be considered "cruel and unusual". Then do tests with it. Tests will tell you all that you need to know regarding that. The only reason to get the information of the business is to find out who works there so that there is someone for those that are anti-DP to blame and harass.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Again, I made no 8th Argument against capital punishment in general.
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Well then, what part of the Constitution are you saying prevents the government from using the death penalty? And why bring up the 8th if it doesn't do so?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Supreme Court denies inmate's last-ditch appeal - seattlepi.com

It occurs to me that, a this point, a state could now use a paralytic (such as is used during an intubation procedure), then pump the condemned full of rat poison ... or acid ... bleach ...

Three cheers for civilization, hip-hip hooray.

This post has been brought to you by 200-proof sarcasm.
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If the State wants to kill people, it should have to outline how it will do so. It's the State, it has no rights, no innate power, no natural sovereignty. I'd rather we not have the DP at all, it's a rather archaic and, at this point, stupid system. But the government doesn't get carte blanche to do as it wants.
 
TheNextEra said:
I'm flawed in many ways, the death penalty being one of them. Sorry but I don't feel anything for these death row people that commit Horrific and Violent murders.
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And those on death row who didn't commit the crimes they were convicted of?
 
Kal'Stang said:
The people that make the drugs do have a right to privacy. Just because you work for the government does not mean your right to privacy flies out the window. Doesn't matter if its a defense contract or a private contract. (oh, look it there..."private" contract). Those people have a Right to not be harassed by folks that are against the death penalty.
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Well they won't have to disclose it. The government, however, should have to. It has no rights.
 
Ikari said:
Well they won't have to disclose it. The government, however, should have to. It has no rights.
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The government has a responsibility to keep their identities and information a secret. Safety reasons.
 
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