Shamgar said:
Conmrade context is so important . . . I know it isn't to you. . . . since Paul who was capable of work was talking about the sluggards who were capable of work but didn't work by choice. Paul sought a job and found a job. Your fascist ideals put people out of work and make easy for them to be on welfare instead of working
Originally Posted by Shamgar
2 thess 3: 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; 8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nothing; but wrought with labour and toil night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: 9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an example to you to follow us. 10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
You are not taking things in context Shamgar. Paul is saying that you should not be a freeloader. Jesus commanded us to help the less fortunate, and live simply.
The context of that first verse I quoted is the following:
“So he began saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8. "Therefore bear fruits in keeping with repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, `We have Abraham for our father,' for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. 9. "Indeed the axe is already laid at the root of the trees; so every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." 10. And the crowds were questioning him, saying, "Then what shall we do?" 11. And he would answer and say to them, "The man who has two tunics is to share with him who has none; and he who has food is to do likewise." Luke 3:7 – 3:11
John is not telling the crowd to give lazy people their coats and food, but rather he is saying that if you have more than you need, you should give what you have that you don’t need to those who need it. When Jesus says to take all that you have and give it to the poor, he means the poor, not the lazy. When Jesus says that when you refuse to help the least of these, that you refuse him, by “least of these” he means the poor, not the lazy. When you try to equate his instructions to us with Lenin, you are being blasphemous.
I am not the one saying that our law should be wholly based in God’s law, you are. So you can’t just pick and choose which of God’s laws that you want the government to enforce. If you want homosexuality to be illegal because it’s against God’s law, then fine. If you want the Ten Commandments displayed in courthouses because you think that is God’s law, then fine. If you want creationism taught in schools because you think that is God’s law, then fine. However you cant just pick and choose which laws of God that you want enforced, if we are going to enforce God’s law, then we have to also abolish charging interest on loans to those who are in need, outlaw materialism, and force those who have more than they need to give what they don’t need to those who are less fortunate. Because that is the God’s law as well and God made many more references to those laws in scripture than he did to Homosexuality.
The Bible says:
Exodus 22:25 "If you lend money to one of my people among
you who is needy, do not be like a moneylender; charge him no
interest.
Leviticus 25:35-37 "'If one of your countrymen becomes poor and is unable to
support himself among you, help him as you would an alien or a temporary
resident, so he can continue to live among you. Do not take interest of any
kind from him, but fear your God, so that your countryman may continue to live
among you. You must not lend him money at interest or sell him food at a
profit.
Deut 23:19 Do not charge your brother interest, whether on money or food or
anything else that may earn interest. You may charge a foreigner interest, but
not a brother Israelite, so that the LORD your God may bless you in everything
you put your hand to in the land you are entering to possess.
So, you going to enforce those laws as well, or are you going to be a blasphemous hypocrite and call God a Communist when he tells us to do that?
