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Supreme Court blocks vaccine mandate for large businesses

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Just like the federal governments right to enact mandates ends with the Constitution.

The problem with your premise is that you don't know who could possibly be passing covid. If you are standing in a room and smell cigarette smoke, you can look around and find out who is smoking. The guilty party can be asked to leave or stop smoking. In the case of covid, you have no clue who might be passing along the virus. It could be someone who is vaccinated or unvaccinated, showing symptoms or not showing symptoms. If your concern is not becoming infected then you have the right to stay at home. We accept risk every day that we wake up. Decide how much you are willing to take and go live your life. Don't attempt to force what you believe to be the solution upon someone else.
We know who spreads Covid more over the population. The unvaccinated. We know who drains hospital resources more. The unvaccinated.
 

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Just like the federal governments right to enact mandates ends with the Constitution.

Please point to the part of the Constitution that addresses vaccines. Thank you.
 

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We know who spreads Covid more over the population. The unvaccinated. We know who drains hospital resources more. The unvaccinated.
We do? How do you know who has been vaccinated or not? You have no clue where you got Covid nor do I because I have it. Want tattoo on everyone vaccinated? how about the scarlet letter?
 

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lol

Biden: "everyone needs to get vaccinated. It makes symptons less severe and will save lives"
Trumpers: "**** that! Take this needle and shove it you commie"
The data: "most new cases and hospitalizations are among unvaccinated people"
Trumpers: "damn it biden, why aren't you doing anything about covid!"

You guys are hilarious.
I did not vote for Trump and I am more conservative than most people. I am also vaccinated and boosted, and believe that for older people or those with poor health, including obesity, that the vaccine is probably a reasonable choice for them. But it isn't and has never been a one size fits all solution. And besides, many people have natural immunity after already being infected. So, allow people to make their own choices.

One huge concern with the mRNA vaccines and then a call for CONTINUED BOOSTING, is that at some point this attempt to fool your immune system runs the risk of conditioning your T cells to be lazy and then not good at responding to this virus after it will likely continue to mutate into other variants. Which is what we may be seeing now with omicron. But the bottom line is that we just don't know enough yet. So, why continue to force mandates on vaccinations until we do know more? Omicron is NOT killing people right now, so why not ease off on the call for endless boosters?

And lastly, why would any sane person automatically trust these big pharma companies which all have clear RECORDS of criminal judgments against them? Big pharma may provide many miracle drugs, but never forget that they are BIG BUSINESS with multi TRILLION dollar multinational investment behind them. They are all about a bottom line BEFORE any moral and ethical considerations which might provide balance, and the track record on that is crystal clear. Look at the BILLIONS of dollars in civil judgements against big pharma; money they all consider "the cost of doing business". The role of providing balance is supposed to be played by the FDA, which in the last two years has been politically pressured to cave to the fear porn preachers. When has "putting the cart before the horse" ever been sound policy?

You point your finger at others and call them fools. Well, from where I am sitting I marvel at the group hypnosis that people like you appear to under. Not everything is black or white, either-or. Allow people to make their own choices, and you are free to make yours. If getting boosted 10 times with the same juice appeals to you, then go for it.
 

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Oh, yes, but your explanation makes no sense and is filled with your own opinions and biases. If you are vaccinated why does it matter what someone else does
No, it's just you have nothing but deflection and denial to try to counter it. This is a measured system.
We do? How do you know who has been vaccinated or not? You have no clue where you got Covid nor do I because I have it. Want tattoo on everyone vaccinated? how about the scarlet letter?
We have the statistics.
 

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No, it's just you have nothing but deflection and denial to try to counter it. This is a measured system.

We have the statistics.
No, I have logic and common sense on my side and you call that deflection. If you are vaccinated why do you care what someone else does? As pointed out your statistics aren't worth the paper they are written on regarding Covid

 

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We know who spreads Covid more over the population. The unvaccinated. We know who drains hospital resources more. The unvaccinated.
You suspect who spreads covid more but you don't know. There is no test that tells if someone was infected by a vaccinated or unvaccinated person.

As far as the second part of your comment, I will agree that evidence shows the unvaccinated are being hospitalized at a higher rate now. They decided how much risk they were willing to take and chose not to be vaccinated. Do some or even many of them wish they had made a different choice? I would contend that if they are in the hospital they would. However, they could still end up in the hospital after being vaccinated.
 
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Yes, but those people's decisions affect more than just themselves.
Their personal healthcare decisions are their choice. Your personal healthcare decisions are YOUR choice.

People can go live in a cave, or a plastic bubble if that makes them feel better.



As the old adage goes, your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.

How about this: If somebody is swinging their arms around and not trying to hit you, then don't walk over and put your nose in the way of their fist. You really have no right to dictate how they swing their arms; you just stay on your side of the street and let them stay on their side. Capice?
 

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No, it's just you have nothing but deflection and denial to try to counter it. This is a measured system.

We have the statistics.
Fine, you have the statistics. You should feel comfortable to go live your life.
 

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Really angry this morning bro? Why?
Fully vaccinated and boosted people can be asymptomatic and spread the virus.
You understand that don't you?
Because ****ing morons who had it explained to them countless times still keep repeating the same moronic crap just like you did.
 

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It’s a good reason to just abolish Medicare and Medicaid altogether since those programs are a giant reason why healthcare is expensive.
How the **** do you come up with such crap? Is it utter stupidity or trolling. Probably both.
 

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I did not vote for Trump and I am more conservative than most people. I am also vaccinated and boosted, and believe that for older people or those with poor health, including obesity, that the vaccine is probably a reasonable choice for them. But it isn't and has never been a one size fits all solution. And besides, many people have natural immunity after already being infected. So, allow people to make their own choices.
I'm fine with people making their own choices. But don't come on here with a straight face and blame biden for trumpers choosing to not get vaccinated.
One huge concern with the mRNA vaccines and then a call for CONTINUED BOOSTING, is that at some point this attempt to fool your immune system runs the risk of conditioning your T cells to be lazy and then not good at responding to this virus after it will likely continue to mutate into other variants. Which is what we may be seeing now with omicron. But the bottom line is that we just don't know enough yet. So, why continue to force mandates on vaccinations until we do know more? Omicron is NOT killing people right now, so why not ease off on the call for endless boosters?
Because if we head off the next variant, by getting almost everyone vaccinated, there may note be a next variant. We got lucky with Omicron. Next variant might be twice as deadly as the original strain.
And lastly, why would any sane person automatically trust these big pharma companies which all have clear RECORDS of criminal judgments against them?
I'm not interested in batshit conspiracy theories.
You point your finger at others and call them fools.
no. I point my finger at laugh at partisan hacks, refusing to get the recommended vaccine, and then blaming biden. It's moronic.
Well, from where I am sitting I marvel at the group hypnosis that people like you appear to under.
yea. Science, data and facts can be pretty hypnotic lol.
Not everything is black or white, either-or.
well, yea it kind of is. The science and data is quite clear.
Allow people to make their own choices, and you are free to make yours.
never stated otherwise. I'm simply calling out the partisan hackery of refusing to take the vaccine, then blaming biden.
If getting boosted 10 times with the same juice appeals to you, then go for it.
strawman
 

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Sure. If you drinking a Cherry Coke is going to drift over to me and cause me to die without ever actually having touched one of those nasty ****ers, then yes, I want the government making those decisions, since clearly you (collectively) are too selfish to worry about others, and you drink your sugary beverages without a care in the world of how it affects others.

Now let's get back to reality, k? Or do you want to post more memes?


In other words, you got the shot.

Now you want everyone else to get the shot because you think it makes your life more convenient?

Is that it?
 

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They would have had a significant part of Americans refused to get vaccinated.

We would have had Omicorn.

But the ICU beds wouldn’t be full of the fools who refused to do so.

And people wouldn’t be passing it around like the flu, and then slowing everything down by not being able to work.

Thus the economic cost of the irresponsibility of the denialist minority.


These Vaccine's don't completely stop variants any more than they prevent covid.

There's undoubtedly a "midterm elections" variant on the way as we speak to try to salvage the train wreck the democrat party is heading for
 

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I'm fine with people making their own choices. But don't come on here with a straight face and blame biden for trumpers choosing to not get vaccinated.

Because if we head off the next variant, by getting almost everyone vaccinated, there may note be a next variant. We got lucky with Omicron. Next variant might be twice as deadly as the original strain.

I'm not interested in batshit conspiracy theories.

no. I point my finger at laugh at partisan hacks, refusing to get the recommended vaccine, and then blaming biden. It's moronic.

yea. Science, data and facts can be pretty hypnotic lol.

well, yea it kind of is. The science and data is quite clear.

never stated otherwise. I'm simply calling out the partisan hackery of refusing to take the vaccine, then blaming biden.

strawman


All this talk of variants. But no mention that variants can form in vaccinated people too.

We'll surely be seeing a "midterm elections" variant here really soon so we can howl over "mail in ballots that are completely safe and secure with no chances of fraud" because of this upcoming variant. And the fact that the democrat party failed in their attempt to federalize elections. That pretty much sealed the midterm elections variant as a certainty

Ray Charles can see that coming
 

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All this talk of variants. But no mention that variants can form in vaccinated people too.

We'll surely be seeing a "midterm elections" variant here really soon so we can howl over "mail in ballots that are completely safe and secure with no chances of fraud" because of this upcoming variant. And the fact that the democrat party failed in their attempt to federalize elections. That pretty much sealed the midterm elections variant as a certainty

Ray Charles can see that coming
For those who blame the unvaccinated for Omicron here is the reality


Also seems that all the left has continues to be anti Trump rhetoric. Amazing how someone out of office for a year now still is in the minds of far too many who use Trump as an excuse to divert from the Biden record and disastrous results. These people are the ones in the very poor approval percentages as they continue to either buy the rhetoric or are in such poor condition that they will never bite the hand that feeds them
 

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I'm fine with people making their own choices. But don't come on here with a straight face and blame biden for trumpers choosing to not get vaccinated.
LOL hold the press! Back when covid vaccines were being funded and sought under the Trump administration, it was many prominent democrats and liberal media people (including Kamalla Harris) saying that if a vaccine was being suggested by Trump, they would not take it. So, you wanna talk business, let's talk business. Lot of people who have chosen not to get vaccinated, or are hesitant at being vaccinated for all kinds of reasons are not just Trump supporters. The fact that hesitancy is strong in the African-American communtiy is an example of people who are clearly not all Trump supporters who are suspect of big pharma too--- and for good reason.

Because if we head off the next variant, by getting almost everyone vaccinated, there may note be a next variant. We got lucky with Omicron. Next variant might be twice as deadly as the original strain.
A pandamic doesn't end when just a few of the better funded and more developed nations all get vaccinated. If they really wanted to head off variant mutations, then after the first doses in the US, Western Europe, and developed Asian nations had occured, then all subsequent vaccine infastruture should have targeted providing doses to Africa, India, and other under developed nations. Because that is where the next mutations will be coming from.


I'm not interested in batshit conspiracy theories.
Do your own research and look into the criminal and civil judgement history of pfizer, moderna, and other big pharma companies. It is information available to see.

no. I point my finger at laugh at partisan hacks, refusing to get the recommended vaccine, and then blaming biden. It's moronic.

I have no issue with "recomended" and Biden originally said he would never be behind Federal mandates. However, like many of his currrent policies, he flip flopped quickly to appease POLITICAL interests and pressure, for example from the powerful teachers unions.


yea. Science, data and facts can be pretty hypnotic lol.

I know that breaking through to some people with reason is difficult. But when did it become a problem to question authority? I thought that after the civil rights movment, and the anti Vietnam movement, that Americans had finally learned to take things with a grain of salt and question motivations and/or group think?



well, yea it kind of is. The science and data is quite clear.
On mRNA vaccines? No, it isn't. If it was quite clear then we wouldn't be calling for endless boosters.

never stated otherwise. I'm simply calling out the partisan hackery of refusing to take the vaccine, then blaming biden.
Why shouldn't anyone be free not to take the vaccine? The way I look at it is people like you REFUSING to accept the individual choices other people make for themselves. The only thing I a blaming BIden for, and what the SCOTUS agreed, was that he did not have the legal power to force vaccine mandates outside of very specific conditions as it applies to the Federal mandate.

In other words, states are free to make their own mandates, or not to make them unless congress gives the president more power in that regard.
 

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In other words, you got the shot.

Now you want everyone else to get the shot because you think it makes your life more convenient?

Is that it?

Or in other words, you didn't get the shot and couldn't give a **** about anybody else, because it makes your life more convenient.

That's it, really. **** 'errbody else. Ima do me. **** y'all.

That's why I left the Republican party. Couldn't deal with the selfishness, and the "me, me, me" attitudes.
 

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Or in other words, you didn't get the shot and couldn't give a **** about anybody else, because it makes your life more convenient.

That's it, really. **** 'errbody else. Ima do me. **** y'all.

That's why I left the Republican party. Couldn't deal with the selfishness, and the "me, me, me" attitudes.
ROFLMAO, there isn't a more selfish party than today's Democratic Party as it is all about control, mandates, and creating dependence. I fear federal selfishness over individual selfishness any day as we are talking about a 5.4 TRILLION dollar Federal gov't with a lo of control. How does allowing people to keep more of what they earn selfishness? It is selfish for the federal gov't to take control over these people, mandate specific actions, and create dependence that never ends. Have no idea where you got the idea that Republicans were selfish other than from liberal indoctrination and totally diversion from reality and the data
 

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All this talk of variants. But no mention that variants can form in vaccinated people too.

We'll surely be seeing a "midterm elections" variant here really soon so we can howl over "mail in ballots that are completely safe and secure with no chances of fraud" because of this upcoming variant. And the fact that the democrat party failed in their attempt to federalize elections. That pretty much sealed the midterm elections variant as a certainty

Ray Charles can see that coming
so batshit conspiracy theories is your response to my post? lol
 

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so batshit conspiracy theories is your response to my post? lol

The point is that these vaccine's can't stop mutation and variants. So don't pretend like we wouldn't have variants if everyone was vaccinated. Because we would.

As to my theory on an upcoming election midterm "variant". I'd bet on it. Along with the same maniacal howls of "safe voting" "mail in ballots" and everything else the democrat party typically does in election season.

I also wouldn't be surprised in the least that the democrat party propoganda networks start back in on "systemic racism" or "racial justice" to get black people stirred up again to go down to the polls and vote for the same people that have been in charge of their cities for decades
 
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LOL hold the press! Back when covid vaccines were being funded and sought under the Trump administration, it was many prominent democrats and liberal media people (including Kamalla Harris) saying that if a vaccine was being suggested by Trump, they would not take it. So, you wanna talk business, let's talk business. Lot of people who have chosen not to get vaccinated, or are hesitant at being vaccinated for all kinds of reasons are not just Trump supporters. The fact that hesitancy is strong in the African-American communtiy is an example of people who are clearly not all Trump supporters who are suspect of big pharma too--- and for good reason.
It doesn't matter how many times you trumpers parrot this lie. The overwhelming VAST majority of the unvaccinated are trump supporters or right wingers.
A pandamic doesn't end when just a few of the better funded and more developed nations all get vaccinated. If they really wanted to head off variant mutations, then after the first doses in the US, Western Europe, and developed Asian nations had occured, then all subsequent vaccine infastruture should have targeted providing doses to Africa, India, and other under developed nations. Because that is where the next mutations will be coming from.
you can not in any way support this claim
Do your own research and look into the criminal and civil judgement history of pfizer, moderna, and other big pharma companies. It is information available to see.
So, more batshit crazy conspiracies. lol
I have no issue with "recomended" and Biden originally said he would never be behind Federal mandates. However, like many of his currrent policies, he flip flopped quickly to appease POLITICAL interests and pressure, for example from the powerful teachers unions.
nope. It wasn't to appease political interests, it was done to try and get the ****ing moronic anti vaxx trumpers to get vaccinated. I don't agree with a govn't mandate by the way. The govn't has exactly zero authority to do so, other than for govn't employees.
I know that breaking through to some people with reason is difficult. But when did it become a problem to question authority?
this isn't questioning authority. this is total science denial, and partisan hackery.
I thought that after the civil rights movment, and the anti Vietnam movement, that Americans had finally learned to take things with a grain of salt and question motivations and/or group think?
when the entire medical community is telling you that you need to get vaccinated, because of the dozens and dozens of peer reviewed studies showing their efficacy, and the data showing that the majority of the current spike is among the unvaccinated, if you have more than 2 brain cells to rub together, you would get vaxxed.
On mRNA vaccines? No, it isn't.
yes, it is.
If it was quite clear then we wouldn't be calling for endless boosters.
of course we would. lots of vaccines require boosters.
Why shouldn't anyone be free not to take the vaccine?
why are you asking me questions about a position I am not supporting?
The way I look at it is people like you REFUSING to accept the individual choices other people make for themselves.
strawman
The only thing I a blaming BIden for, and what the SCOTUS agreed, was that he did not have the legal power to force vaccine mandates outside of very specific conditions as it applies to the Federal mandate.
I agree that is all you've done. You jumped in and quoted my post, which was a direct response to @Taylor blaming biden. I simply called out that laughably moronic bit of hypocrisy.
In other words, states are free to make their own mandates, or not to make them unless congress gives the president more power in that regard.
I have never stated anything to the contrary.
 

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Or in other words, you didn't get the shot and couldn't give a **** about anybody else, because it makes your life more convenient.

That's it, really. **** 'errbody else. Ima do me. **** y'all.

That's why I left the Republican party. Couldn't deal with the selfishness, and the "me, me, me" attitudes.

In other words, I didn't get the shot and I'm fine with anyone else who did or didn't for thier own reasons.
 

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The point is that these vaccine's can't stop mutation and variants.
nobody claimed they would 100% be able to.
So pretend like we wouldn't have variants if everyone was vaccinated. Because we would.
you can in no way support this statement.
As to my theory on an upcoming election midterm "variant". I'd bet on it. Along with the same maniacal howls of "safe voting" "mail in ballots" and everything else.
why would you care if there were more mail in voting? We know from literally every single investigation every done, mostly by republicans, that voter fraud is statistically zero. So why is mail in voting a problem for you? I'll answer it for you. More people voting means republicans lose.
 
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