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Sunny Hostin: 'I feel like a hostage' to assault rifle owners

Mashmont said:
Remember in 2012 when gun ownership became illegal in Venezuela? How did that work out for Venezuelans?
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not sure those few weapons would have mattered against that evil dictatorship. Few dictatorships have ever been overthrown by private gun ownership.
 
Peter King said:
not sure those few weapons would have mattered against that evil dictatorship. Few dictatorships have ever been overthrown by private gun ownership.
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Probably because dictatorships start by eliminating private gun ownership.
 
natman said:
Probably because dictatorships start by eliminating private gun ownership.
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That is nonsense, most countries do not have the same extremist gun ownership levels that the US has and mostly dictatorships start with the Military or leaders with the help of the Military take power, and if you have 10,000 (for example) people with rifles in a country and for example the military of Venezuela which has 63,000 soldiers with 60 self propelled Howitzers, pulled howitzers, loads of mortars, rocket launchers, 365 tanks, unknown number of French light tanks, 10 attack helicopters, add to that assault rifles, machine guns, sub machine guns and loads of guns and weaponry, and that is just the Venezuelan army.

Add to that the 23,000 members of the National guard and 3.2 members of the Bolivarian Militia of Venezuela. The 3.2 members of the Militia are armed with sig sauers and beretta's, hundreds of thousands of assault rifles and plenty of machine guns.

And the 23,000 national guard members have assault weapons and German and Chinese personnel carriers.

If you have even 30,000 people with a rifle or a gun, they would be wiped out by the armed forces of Venezuela. Guns are not going to stop an army if it is behind a dictator.
 
Peter King said:
That is nonsense, most countries do not have the same extremist gun ownership levels that the US has and mostly dictatorships start with the Military or leaders with the help of the Military take power, and if you have 10,000 (for example) people with rifles in a country and for example the military of Venezuela which has 63,000 soldiers with 60 self propelled Howitzers, pulled howitzers, loads of mortars, rocket launchers, 365 tanks, unknown number of French light tanks, 10 attack helicopters, add to that assault rifles, machine guns, sub machine guns and loads of guns and weaponry, and that is just the Venezuelan army.

Add to that the 23,000 members of the National guard and 3.2 members of the Bolivarian Militia of Venezuela. The 3.2 members of the Militia are armed with sig sauers and beretta's, hundreds of thousands of assault rifles and plenty of machine guns.

And the 23,000 national guard members have assault weapons and German and Chinese personnel carriers.

If you have even 30,000 people with a rifle or a gun, they would be wiped out by the armed forces of Venezuela. Guns are not going to stop an army if it is behind a dictator.
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asymmetrical warfare seems to be a topic few understand on this board
 
natman said:
Probably because dictatorships start by eliminating private gun ownership.
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Peter King said:
That is nonsense, most countries do not have the same extremist gun ownership levels that the US has and mostly dictatorships start with the Military or leaders with the help of the Military take power, and if you have 10,000 (for example) people with rifles in a country and for example the military of Venezuela which has 63,000 soldiers with 60 self propelled Howitzers, pulled howitzers, loads of mortars, rocket launchers, 365 tanks, unknown number of French light tanks, 10 attack helicopters, add to that assault rifles, machine guns, sub machine guns and loads of guns and weaponry, and that is just the Venezuelan army.

Add to that the 23,000 members of the National guard and 3.2 members of the Bolivarian Militia of Venezuela. The 3.2 members of the Militia are armed with sig sauers and beretta's, hundreds of thousands of assault rifles and plenty of machine guns.

And the 23,000 national guard members have assault weapons and German and Chinese personnel carriers.

If you have even 30,000 people with a rifle or a gun, they would be wiped out by the armed forces of Venezuela. Guns are not going to stop an army if it is behind a dictator.
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You've completely changed the subject. It's common for dictatorships eliminate private gun ownership, which may be why you failed to address it.

As far as the subject you chose to address instead, military superiority of the government fighting the civilian population on their own turf, I have three words for you: Vietnam. Iraq. Afghanistan.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that is not responsive. Of course she has a wiki page but how do you know I do not?
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Because in post# 423 you said:

my CV has a much stronger academic resume. I had no desire to be a media whore
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From which I made the assumption that you think that having a Wiki page made someone a "media whore".
 
natman said:
You've completely changed the subject. It's common for dictatorships eliminate private gun ownership, which may be why you failed to address it.

As far as the subject you chose to address instead, military superiority of the government fighting the civilian population on their own turf, I have three words for you: Vietnam. Iraq. Afghanistan.
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No, because it is irrelevant because no lightly armed populous will ever over throw a well armed military.
 
Rich2018 said:
...and when a tyrannical government terrorizes the terrorists, it almost always wins.
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It may cost thousands of victims but most rebel/terrorist groups always seem to fail in their objective. Killing thousands in the process and the government that chases them will kill even more than that to get to the "rebels". IRA, ETA, Shining Path, etc. etc.".
 
Peter King said:
No, because it is irrelevant because no lightly armed populous will ever over throw a well armed military.
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Yes, that's why Saigon is the capital of a United Vietnam.:rolleyes:
 
Peter King said:
It may cost thousands of victims but most rebel/terrorist groups always seem to fail in their objective. Killing thousands in the process and the government that chases them will kill even more than that to get to the "rebels". IRA, ETA, Shining Path, etc. etc.".
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Well an out-and-out civil war would kill way more than that.
 
Rich2018 said:
Well an out-and-out civil war would kill way more than that.
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Yes, but as these dictatorial scum usually have the support of the armed forces and all the financial options to buy all the guns and weapons possible to fight "rebels", it is not likely that there will be a civil war.
 
natman said:
Yes, that's why Saigon is the capital of a United Vietnam.:rolleyes:
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You mean outside of the military help given by China and Russia? To claim they were lightly armed is nonsense, they may have fought a guerilla war but that was because of the idiot French who got the Americans into a war they could not win because they were supporting the christian rich minority and their stooges. If you fight a war as a foreign "invader/oppressor" against a population that is largely buddhist (including monks setting themselves on fire) and you use stuff like agent orange and napalm, well I doubt the population wants to support that.

The local farming communities supported the VC, so the South Vietnamese government tried locking them up in barbed wired hamlets (read camps to lock them up). And the Americans bombed the rice paddies and farmland in South Vietnam. The VC was "nice" to the farmers and they knew you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, the South Vietnamese government did not know that or could not care about the farmers.

You cannot win a war against an entire population. That is why there is a unified Vietnam.
 
Peter King said:
Yes, but as these dictatorial scum usually have the support of the armed forces and all the financial options to buy all the guns and weapons possible to fight "rebels", it is not likely that there will be a civil war.
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Not without external assistance

Castro's revolt in Cuba against Batista's dictatorial rule might be an exception + the Iranian revolution of 1979.
 
calamity said:
I agree. It's time to put the well-regulated militia part back in the Second. This rampant private ownership of assault weapons is ridiculous. There is no need for people to have National Guard like arms.
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It's never left the second amendment. Its one of 2 separate thoughts.

No need? Seriously?

The governments of many cities and states, always liberal/progressive mind you, are allowing violent rioting mobs to loot, burn, and destroy public AND private innocent buildings and businesses. People are being injured and even killed because of this appeasement approach. These same people, liberal/progressives, now have the balls to demand the tool that gives me the best chance of surviving one of these situations.

So let's flood the country with God know who (they already found 2 terrorists), head full speed toward socialism (talk to any Venezuelan about socialism and guns), allow civil unrest to destroy peoples lives and livelihoods, and ban anything that gives us a fighting chance lol.

And some moron on TV that refuses to look at the statistics on how hammers and bats kill more people than assault rifles. Same woman bitches about long prison sentences for those guilty of gun crimes. Yet somehow my rifle scares her.

They, on the left, are all doing their part in the de balling of america in preparation for the progressive socialist utopia that they have desired for decades. Good little soldiers doing their part. To stupid to look at histories examples. So smart that they know it will work this time.

Truly scary times. Says the guy with the AR lol.
 
TurtleDude said:
asymmetrical warfare seems to be a topic few understand on this board
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What they fail to realize is that while it is asymmetrical warfare, the military does not have the advantage. Not when all of their beans, bullets, and band-aids comes from the civilian sector. Furthermore, there are only 1,385,727 active duty and 849,450 in reserve in the US military, while there are ~18 million former military veterans who received the same training.

Every military base in the US would be under siege and they would have to rely on the supplies they have on hand, because they won't be getting any more. Being out-numbered by more than 10 to 1, it wouldn't be a contest. And that is assuming the US military follows the illegal orders of a mentally-deranged leftist, which is a huge assumption.
 
Daddyo said:
The governments of many cities and states, always liberal/progressive mind you, are allowing violent rioting mobs to loot, burn, and destroy public AND private innocent buildings and businesses. People are being injured and even killed because of this appeasement approach. These same people, liberal/progressives, now have the balls to demand the tool that gives me the best chance of surviving one of these situations.
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No, your best tool is a solid front door or your legs.

Guns are your best tool if you want to kill somebody

Don't you know that you have a 0.0000000001% chance of being caught up and injured in an Antifa protest ?

You've more chance of being hit by a UFO flown by Elvis.
 
Rich2018 said:
No, your best tool is a solid front door or your legs.

Guns are your best tool if you want to kill somebody

Don't you know that you have a 0.0000000001% chance of being caught up and injured in an Antifa protest ?

You've more chance of being hit by a UFO flown by Elvis.
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sounds about like the same odds of being killed by a mass shooter using an AR 15. so do you also want to ban ANTIFA protests?
 
I wouldn't worry too much. Civil wars tend to make it harder to cover your F150 payment.
 
TurtleDude said:
sounds about like the same odds of being killed by a mass shooter using an AR 15. so do you also want to ban ANTIFA protests?
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No, just ban violent protesters.

Like the RW scum who infiltrate peaceful demonstrations so middle America think Antifa is violent.
 
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