Sunni sheiks join Americans in fight against insurgency

[Navy Pride]

More bad news for the Bush haters and the people that want us to fail in Iraq.

Sunni sheiks join Americans in fight against insurgency - A Concord Monitor Article - Your News Source - Concord NH 03301


New alliance easing violence in Ramadi

By TODD PITMAN
The Associated Press
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March 26. 2007 8:00AM

Not long ago it would have been unthinkable: a Sunni sheik allying himself publicly with American forces in a xenophobic city at the epicenter of Iraq's Sunni insurgency.

Today, there is no mistaking whose side Sheik Abdul Sattar al-Rishawi is on. Outside his walled home in Ramadi, a U.S. tank is on permanent guard beside a clutch of towering date palms and a protective dirt berm.

The 36-year-old sheik is leading a growing movement of Sunni tribesmen who have turned against al-Qaida-linked insurgents in Anbar province. The dramatic shift in alliances may have done more in a few months to ease daily street battles and undercut the insurgency here than American forces have achieved in years with

 

[MSgt]

This is a part of the political solution we've been looking for. It's not enough, but as long as we can hamper the daily violence long enough for sectoral talks to commence, things will get better. I believe both sides have seen enough violence and have been looking for an excuse to move on without losing face.

Like I always say...Success or failure in Iraq will be an Iraqi success or failure. We can't do this for them. We'll take the black eye for the OSD's blunders along the way, but success was always in the hands of Iraqis.

 

[Ikari]

Well this is the start of what you need. You'll never accomplish anything in Iraq till you get the three factions united together for their liberty and freedom. It's been the major flaw in the whole "spreading democracy" (well besides invading sovereign nations which didn't pose a threat to our own sovereignty) from the start. Hopefully this will spread, if I were the Iraqis I would be pretty fed up with the state of things, the bungled occupation, and the continued insurgent violence enough to wanna band together with my fellow countrymen to bring about an end to it all.

 

[Navy Pride]

I truly believe if you can get the Sunnis on board that is half the battle in restoring peace in Iraq..........The left says there is a civil war and if that is so that would alleviate the problem........

 

[MSgt]

I truly believe if you can get the Sunnis on board that is half the battle in restoring peace in Iraq..........The left says there is a civil war and if that is so that would alleviate the problem........

They throw that term around too much. The media loves it because it's sensationalistic gold and the left loves it because it satisfies another measure of failure in this effort. And of course, eventually, our intelligencia chose the safe route, buckled, and produced a few reports mentioning that a small part of the violence could define a civil war. This term was never accurate.

But I guess it is like anything else. If you say it long enough, it'll start looking like it.

 

[G-Man]

They throw that term around too much. The media loves it because it's sensationalistic gold and the left loves it because it satisfies another measure of failure in this effort. And of course, eventually, our intelligencia chose the safe route, buckled, and produced a few reports mentioning that a small part of the violence could define a civil war. This term was never accurate.

But I guess it is like anything else. If you say it long enough, it'll start looking like it.

We know that for sure :-

""See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 (Listen to audio)"

Back to the thread this kind of action has been missing for too long. Only by inclusion, and not exclusion, of the Sunnis in the political & military bodies can the tide be turned.

Other recent developments such as allowing ex Baathists (except those accused of crimes or on wanted lists) to re-apply for government jobs and indeed claim pensions are also welcome news.

Some on the right may call this 'appeasement' but it seems that we finally have some competent decision makers on the ground calling the shots these days. It may be long overdue but its definitely welcome.

 

[MSgt]

Some on the right may call this 'appeasement' but it seems that we finally have some competent decision makers on the ground calling the shots these days. It may be long overdue but its definitely welcome.

This is where some of the right don't know what the hell they are trying to say. The appeasement of "tyrants" is a historical impossibility. Those tyrants that are determined to accomplish a mission will only be slowed. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ahmenadejed, Osama Bin Ladden, Saddam Hussein, these are all tyrants (among so many others) that no amount of appeasing will calm their thirst for blood.

Appeasing a faction into peaceful negotiations has always been essential. The vast majority of this "War on Terror" is going to be-or should very well be-about appeasing (or rewarding) those governments that actively celebrate the basic human rights and education of their people.

We were not able to get such a thing started in Iraq until we rolled enough troops into Baghdad and the surrounding cities to give the political solution space to breath. But Iraq only has a small window for this. We can not maintain these operations for long, before we start having problems in other areas.

This political solution has to happen now.

 

[Navy Pride]

They throw that term around too much. The media loves it because it's sensationalistic gold and the left loves it because it satisfies another measure of failure in this effort. And of course, eventually, our intelligencia chose the safe route, buckled, and produced a few reports mentioning that a small part of the violence could define a civil war. This term was never accurate.

But I guess it is like anything else. If you say it long enough, it'll start looking like it.

The left wing press is always preaching civil war but the Iraqis say its not and that is good enough for me.......

 

[Gibberish]

The left wing press is always preaching civil war but the Iraqis say its not and that is good enough for me.......

It's definitely not a civil war. The "left wing press" uses the word to increase rating numbers and revenue. The same as the "right wing press" would do.

 

[Navy Pride]

It's definitely not a civil war. The "left wing press" uses the word to increase rating numbers and revenue. The same as the "right wing press" would do.

That is the problem, there is no right wing press...............

 

[Gibberish]

That is the problem, there is no right wing press...............

Yes I forgot FOX is "central". Remember the more you say it the more it becomes fact, you need to kinda "catapult the propaganda" you know.

News in today's world is a corporate business looking to make money, not to report the truth.

 

[Navy Pride]

Yes I forgot FOX is "central". Remember the more you say it the more it becomes fact, you need to kinda "catapult the propaganda" you know.

News in today's world is a corporate business looking to make money, not to report the truth.

FOX has just as many liberal news contributors as conservatives.......I am not going to get in and argument with you on that though.I am glad to hear you watch it though........

 

[Gibberish]

FOX has just as many liberal news contributors as conservatives.......I am not going to get in and argument with you on that though.I am glad to hear you watch it though........

Interesting seeing as I never said i watch FOX. In any consequence I do try shuffle my news channels, including watching FOX at times. It's good to get a collective view and to not limit yourself.