Suing Gun Manufacturers

[Fledermaus]

"while civilian firearm use should not be disregarded as a form of crime control"

 

[OpportunityCost]

Maybe you should actually READ your sources before you link to them ?

The conclusion on your link once more: "Surveys provide little evidence that SDGU is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss"

That is because they reached a conclusion of a low rate of incidence. If 1 person in 100 uses their weapon in self defense to prevent a crime against themselves that's significant.

 

[Rich2018]

That is because they reached a conclusion of a low rate of incidence. If 1 person in 100 uses their weapon in self defense to prevent a crime against themselves that's significant.

What does the phrase "little evidence" mean to you ?

If you don't agree with their findings, why did you link to it ?

What if 0.001% used their weapon in self defense to prevent a crime against themselves, would it still be significant ?
What is your criteria

What if 99% of those instances could have achieved the same results with a tool other than a gun ?

 

[OpportunityCost]

What does the phrase "little evidence" mean to you ?

If you don't agree with their findings, why did you link to it ?

What if 0.001% used their weapon in self defense to prevent a crime against themselves, would it still be significant ?
What is your criteria

What if 99% of those instances could have achieved the same results with a tool other than a gun ?

Hypothetical lying is still lying. The rate is .9% and through surveying a small percentage.

The problem is that most defensive gun uses are never reported by either party unless a shooting occurs.

BTW, quit trying to deflect, you should have learned by now that's a useless tactic.

 

[Rich2018]

Hypothetical lying is still lying. The rate is .9% and through surveying a small percentage.

The problem is that most defensive gun uses are never reported by either party unless a shooting occurs.

BTW, quit trying to deflect, you should have learned by now that's a useless tactic.

What is a "hypothetical lie" ?
Can you give an example of one ?

One can easily retort that the problem is that gun owners will fraudulently state that their guns were the difference between life and being a victim.

 

[OpportunityCost]

What is a "hypothetical lie" ?
Can you give an example of one ?

One can easily retort that the problem is that gun owners will fraudulently state that their guns were the difference between life and being a victim.

What if 0.001% used their weapon in self defense to prevent a crime against themselves, would it still be significant ?

Lying is when you try to bend the statistics to present a hypothetical that doesn't resemble actual reality. Quit lying, Rich.

 

[Rich2018]

What if 0.001% used their weapon in self defense to prevent a crime against themselves, would it still be significant ?

Then the problem is you don't understand what a "lie" is
It is stating something as fact when you know it not to be

The above is a question, not a statement of fact

Lying is when you try to bend the statistics to present a hypothetical that doesn't resemble actual reality. Quit lying, Rich.

Nope, it's not

Asking a hypothetical question can never be a lie
And in point of fact, such a hypothetical question does not and cannot "bend" any facts

That you would say that it is, is at best ignorance on your part and at worst openly dishonest.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Then the problem is you don't understand what a "lie" is
It is stating something as fact when you know it not to be

The above is a question, not a statement of fact



Nope, it's not

Asking a hypothetical question can never be a lie
And in point of fact, such a hypothetical question does not and cannot "bend" any facts

That you would say that it is, is at best ignorance on your part and at worst openly dishonest.

Rich you constructed a question you knew was false circumstances. You did so to downplay even a low incidence rate. Yes, if you knowingly ask a hypothetical with absurd numbers to prove appoint for something that cannot ever occur, its just a waste of time, because its not honest inquiry. Its like a push poll.

 

[Rich2018]

Rich you constructed a question you knew was false circumstances. You did so to downplay even a low incidence rate. Yes, if you knowingly ask a hypothetical with absurd numbers to prove appoint for something that cannot ever occur, its just a waste of time, because its not honest inquiry. Its like a push poll.

No, it was a question to illustrate the flaw in your assertion

That is not a "lie"

It doesn't help your argument to either make false accusations or demonstrate ignorance of the meaning of words.

 

[OpportunityCost]

No, it was a question to illustrate the flaw in your assertion

That is not a "lie"

It doesn't help your argument to either make false accusations or demonstrate ignorance of the meaning of words.

I really don't give a shit, hypotheticals that are impossible aren't hypotheticals, they are diversions based upon false pretenses.

 

[Rich2018]

I really don't give a shit, hypotheticals that are impossible aren't hypotheticals, they are diversions based upon false pretenses.

Nothing is impossible in a hypothetical scenario.