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Suez Canal Blocked for 6 days, March, 2021

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The momentum of the Ever Given may have caused the stern of the ship to ground onto the West Bank of the canal, when the bow was stopped by running aground on the east Bank of the canal. The steering had been reported stuck, but that did not cause the accident, rather was a result of the bow colliding with the East Bank of the canal.


"Egypt will seek more than $1 billion in damages after a massive container ship had blocked the Suez Canal and disrupted global trade for nearly a week, the top canal official said.

He also warned the ship and its cargo will not be allowed leave Egypt if the issue of damages goes to court.

Lt. Gen. Ossama Rabei, head of the canal authority, said in a phone interview with a pro-government TV talk show on Wednesday that the amount takes into account the salvage operation, costs of stalled traffic, and lost transit fees for the week that the Ever Given had blocked the Suez Canal."




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Ever Given was going above the speed limit for that section of the canal. This additional speed may have stuck the bow further into the East Side of the canal, taking longer to dislodge. Who gave the command to exceed the speed limit? The Captain, a ship officer? A pilot from the Suez Canal Authority?

The Black Box from the Ever Given was turned over to the IMO, International Marine Organization, but now the Suez Canal Authority has requested to examine the black box.

"Last Tuesday morning, the 20,000-TEU Ever Given ran aground while passing through the Suez Canal on its way to Rotterdam.

For now—and possibly weeks to come—the ship is stuck. In the immediate aftermath, up to 10% or more of the world’s global trade backed up on either side of the canal. Those ships are now diverted. The Cape of Good Hope is their likely detour.

Ever Given entered the canal at 8 knots, the Suez’ speed limit. By the first turn, she was at 13.6 knots. A dust storm, blown by fierce winds, limited visibility and knocked the ship askew.

“Speed and wind probably played a factor,” explains Nathan Strang, Flexport Senior Trade Lane Manager. “These ships are not nimble. They’re designed to go in one direction for a very long time, not navigate tight canals. Tugs go with the ships to help, but tugs aren’t designed for ships the size of Ever Given.”

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Ever Given was going above the speed limit for that section of the canal. This additional speed may have stuck the bow further into the East Side of the canal, taking longer to dislodge. Who gave the command to exceed the speed limit? The Captain, a ship officer? A pilot from the Suez Canal Authority?

The Black Box from the Ever Given was turned over to the IMO, International Marine Organization, but now the Suez Canal Authority has requested to examine the black box.



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as i recall there was mention of high winds at the time the ship beached
if true, that might explain the increased velocity
 
If the wind was from the South, the wind might have increased the speed of the ship.

There was a tactic used by some container ships, to speed up in higher cross-winds, to gain stability.



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What was the process of deciding not to use tug boats to guide the front of the Ever Given?

Was the main propeller put into reverse before impact?

Was it attempted to use the Starboard Bow Thruster to avoid the bow colliding with the East Shore of the canal?

Which technical organization would be best to analyze the Ever Given black box?

Was the main Engine throttle controlled by manual position, by RPM of the propeller shaft, or by the water speed of Ever Given?



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"The Indian crew of the giant boxship Ever Given are no longer stuck in the lower section of the Suez Canal, but they could get stuck in Egypt for a long time, according to the Times of India. It is possible that they may face house arrest or even criminal charges in connection with the vessel's grounding, which closed the canal for six days and disrupted billions of dollars in trade.

"There is a clear danger that the crew will be made scapegoats," an Indian shipping industry source told the outlet."



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There was a comment that the tug boats provided by the Suez Canal Association were not powerful enough to pull the Ever Given size boats through the Suez Canal.


The engine may be difficult to hold the Ever Given to 8 Knots, with six 3-foot diameter pistons, and a solid cast propeller.

"Buried deep inside the Ever Given is a Mitsui–MAN B&W 11G95ME-C9 two-stroke diesel engine. This engine reportedly makes 79,500 horsepower at a slow 79 rpm and is fed by heavy fuel oil or diesel. The engine drives a single propeller hanging off of the back of the ship that propels it to a speed of about 22.8 knots, or 26 mph. "


 
And of course it devolved into "hurr durr blame woman".


Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

She wasn't even close to the place, working as first mate on a completely different ship in Alexandria at the time. However Fake News Trolls knew very well how much traction the "blame woman" angle would get so they created a false narrative that she was responsible that spread through social media like wildfire.
 
And of course it devolved into "hurr durr blame woman".


Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

She wasn't even close to the place, working as first mate on a completely different ship in Alexandria at the time. However Fake News Trolls knew very well how much traction the "blame woman" angle would get so they created a false narrative that she was responsible that spread through social media like wildfire.

That young and being a Captain?

Grats to that young lady!
 
"The pilots, many of whom are retired sailors from the Egyptian Navy, haven’t always been entirely welcome.

In 2017, a local shipping agent complained about pilots demanding 17 cartons of cigarettes and other goods to let his ship pass. The head of the Suez Canal Authority at the time dismissed his remarks as an attempt to besmirch Egypt’s reputation.

One current pilot said demands for cigarettes and free food were once commonplace. By tradition, canal workers divide up their haul among themselves, a former pilot said."



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"The investigation into the grounding of a massive container ship that blocked access to the Suez Canal for almost a week has turned to the black box aboard the Ever Given.

Osama Rabie, chairman of the Suez Canal Authority, said an analysis of the ship's data is underway and should provide crucial details surrounding the grounding. An initial report on the costly accident could be released this week, he said.

Rabie also repeated his claim that the grounding cost his agency and Egypt $1 billion."




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"The Suez Canal Authority is contemplating the possibility of widening the southern section of the waterway, the agency's chairman told Reuters on Tuesday.

The canal is a critical maritime chokepoint, and last month's boxship grounding showed a unique vulnerability: the 400-meter-long Ever Given straddled the canal's entire width, halting all traffic for six days and stalling the movement of tens of billions of dollars' worth of goods. In an interview, SCA chairman Osama Rabie suggested that the authority might widen the waterway to a dimension equal to the length of its largest permitted vessels (400 meters).

“Our procedures are sound, we are just aiming to improve the service,” SCA chairman Osama Rabie told Reuters. "If there is a 250-meter part that needs expansion, maybe we will make it 400 meters."

"SCA may also consider buying new tugs with more pulling power, like the privately-operated anchor handlers that salvors called in to remove Ever Given.

Groundings in the canal are a periodic occurence, but rarely result in a major disruption."



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It was the skipper's idea. :LOL:

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Insurance posturing.


"Shoei, through its companies Luster Maritime and Higaki Sangyo, has also begun limitation of liability proceedings in the High Court in London. Its filing names the ship's charterer, Taiwanese liner operator Evergreen Marine, and other interests as potential claimants against the shipowner.

Evergreen said it received a notice from the lawyer representing Ever Given’s owner on 1 April, "which specified that the owner had filed an admiralty limitation claim at the High Court of Justice in the UK in accordance with the Merchant Shipping Act 1995, in view of the liabilities and compensation that may occur due to the grounding incident”.

The move to declare general average will be a relief to Shoei’s Japanese hull and machinery insurers, as general average will now include cargo insurers in the settlement of the salvage bill."


"Charles Taylor company Richard Hogg Lindley has been appointed average adjuster and will determine the level of security required from cargo owners to secure the release of containers.

The vessel is being assessed for repair at Great Bitter Lake after a structural assessment by classification society ABS, and it is expected to be some time before cargo owners receive their cargo."





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Details of speed of Ever Given:


"Those piecing together what caused the accident will undoubtedly look at speed. The ship’s last known speed was 13.5 knots at 7:28 a.m., 12 minutes before the grounding, according to Bloomberg data.

That would have surpassed the speed limit of about 7.6 knots (8.7 miles an hour) to 8.6 knots that is listed as the maximum speed vessels are “allowed to transit” through the canal, according to the Suez authority’s rules of navigation handbook posted on its website. Captains interviewed for this story said it can pay to increase the speed in the face of a strong wind to maneuver the ship better.

“Speeding up to a certain point is effective,” said Chris Gillard, who was captain of a 300-meter container ship that crossed the Suez monthly for nearly a decade until 2019. “More than that and it becomes counter effective because the bow will get sucked down deep into the water. Then, adding too much power does nothing but exacerbate the problem.”

Bloomberg data also show that the 300-meter Maersk Denver traveling behind the Ever Given also posted a top speed of 10.6 knots at 7:28 a.m. A spokesperson for Maersk in Denmark declined to comment. Ship captains and local pilots said it’s not unusual to travel through the canal around that speed despite the lower limit."


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James Davey, of Southampton University’s Institute of Maritime Law, categorised five potential areas of litigation: damage to the vessel; damage to its cargo; the cost of the refloating and salvage operation; the SCA’s financial losses including damage to the canal itself; and losses to the other delayed vessels.






"Rabie said the SCA estimates the losses caused by the struck ship at around $1 billion.

The SCA chairman said the authority is looking into the possibility of compensating ships that stuck at the canal due to the Ever Given incident.

Rabie said a “technical failure” may have caused the incident as the ship did not follow the captain’s orders. He went on to reiterate that the Suez Canal is safe for sailing and is secured by the Egyptian army."


 
"In Egypt, officers aboard detained vessels have occasionally ended up under a status equivalent to house arrest, sometimes for years, according to the International Transport Workers' Federation.

Mohammad Aisha - the chief mate of the seized container feeder Aman - has been stuck on board his vessel at an anchorage off Suez since 2017. For four years, an Egyptian court has bound him to the ship as its designated "legal guard," and local authorities have confiscated his passport. He has been alone on board for the last 15 months, except for an occasional swim to shore for food and water, according to the ITF.

Aisha is not the only mariner trapped in Egypt by a local court order. The ITF is also attempting to win freedom for the captain of the freighter Kenan Mete. Like Aisha, the master has been designated as his vessel's "legal guard," and he has been forbidden to leave Egypt until the ship's case is resolved or another guardian is appointed."



You Tube "Why can't they just pul it out?"







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“The vessel is now officially impounded,” he told Egypt’s state-run television late Monday. “They do not want to pay anything.”

There was no immediate comment from the vessel's owner.

Rabei did not say how much money the canal authority was seeking. However, a judicial official said it demanded at least $900 million. The state-run Ahram daily also reported the $900 million figure.

That amount takes into account the salvage operation, costs of stalled canal traffic and lost transit fees for the week that the Ever Given blocked the canal.






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Video shows Ever Given being blown to the West side of the Suez Canal, then correcting, pointing more Eastward, then proceeding too far Eastward, with the bow striking the sandy East Bank, and getting stuck.

 
"The Egyptian government's lead investigator, Captain Sayed Sheasha, told Reuters on Wednesday that the Ever Given's master has fully cooperated with the inquiry. The pressure on the investigation into the grounding is high. "



"Lead investigator Captain Sayed Sheasha, who boarded the Ever Given on Wednesday afternoon, told Reuters that the investigation would include examining the seaworthiness of the ship and its captain’s actions to help determine the causes. "




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Breaking News Thread:



The momentum of the Ever Given may have caused the stern of the ship to ground onto the West Bank of the canal, when the bow was stopped by running aground on the east Bank of the canal. The steering had been reported stuck, but that did not cause the accident, rather was a result of the bow colliding with the East Bank of the canal.


"Egypt will seek more than $1 billion in damages after a massive container ship had blocked the Suez Canal and disrupted global trade for nearly a week, the top canal official said.

He also warned the ship and its cargo will not be allowed leave Egypt if the issue of damages goes to court.

Lt. Gen. Ossama Rabei, head of the canal authority, said in a phone interview with a pro-government TV talk show on Wednesday that the amount takes into account the salvage operation, costs of stalled traffic, and lost transit fees for the week that the Ever Given had blocked the Suez Canal."




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