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Study shows that natural immunity is 13 times stronger than being vaccinated

Big Eye said:
Another thing with Swedes is that they get around alot…when you go on holiday you generally bump into them. ..a few years ago our hotel in Austria was packed with Swedes…skiing lol…because it’s cheaper than Sweden.
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Excuses, excuses.

Sweden experiment failed and you are pathetically grasping at straws.
 
Big Eye said:
I do get the impression that some people are loving the covid measures just a little bit too much…and funnily enough they are usually of the left wing variety. I think the left loves the transfer of power from the individual to the state…

They can ban me if they like, no big deal..I like confronting zealots with truth lol.😇
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Agreed. Many progressive left cultists ignore credible evidence that conflicts with their apparent desire to do away with individual liberty and destroy free enterprise and replace it with corrupt cronyism. As a seeker of truth and justice, it is sad to see these zealots gaining political power as they could destroy this country. They are not much different than those who have supported fascists, communists, jihadists, and other evil authoritarian tyrants throughout history. This group needs more realists and fewer zealots IMO.
 
RealityChecker said:
Agreed. Many progressive left cultists ignore credible evidence that conflicts with their apparent desire to do away with individual liberty and destroy free enterprise and replace it with corrupt cronyism. As a seeker of truth and justice, it is sad to see these zealots gaining political power as they could destroy this country. They are not much different than those who have supported fascists, communists, jihadists, and other evil authoritarian tyrants throughout history. This group needs more realists and fewer zealots IMO.
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More partisan babble about supposed "progressives" or "leftists".
 
Fledermaus said:
This is supposed to mean something?
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Neal Ferguson was the go to expert for the MSM and various politicians at the start of the pandemic…he was the lead modeller …he got every prediction wrong by vast numbers. Do try to keep up.
 
Big Eye said:
Their “failed experiment” got much better results than your planned disaster lol…
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Sweden where they are about 40th in deaths while her sister states were in the 140s.

That Sweden.

Big Eye said:
Neal Ferguson was the go to expert for the MSM and various politicians at the start of the pandemic…he was the lead modeller …he got every prediction wrong by vast numbers. Do try to keep up.
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From what I see he gave worst case scenarios. Often with a warning if you don't do X then Y will happen. If people then do X and Y doesn't happen then what?

And?

So what?
 
Fledermaus said:
Sweden where they are about 40th in deaths while her sister states were in the 140s.

That Sweden.



From what I see he gave worst case scenarios. Often with a warning if you don't do X then Y will happen. If people then do X and Y doesn't happen then what?

And?

So what?
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You just don't like the fact that Sweden , which is a highly urbanised society, did much better than the States...without Covid mitigation measures . You keep having to retreat to the position of comparing Sweden to other Scandinavian countries when the explanation for the difference has already been explained. Sweden did not test old people going into care homes...that is their only mistake ...but even with that mistake they have still done better than California.

Neal Ferguson has been completely discredited...he's the type of expert you love...prone to massive exaggeration as he is lol.
 
Big Eye said:
You just don't like the fact that Sweden , which is a highly urbanised society, did much better than the States...without Covid mitigation measures . You keep having to retreat to the position of comparing Sweden to other Scandinavian countries when the explanation for the difference has already been explained. Sweden did not test old people going into care homes...that is their only mistake ...but even with that mistake they have still done better than California.

Neal Ferguson has been completely discredited...he's the type of expert you love...prone to massive exaggeration as he is lol.
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Both Norway and Finland are highly urbanized.

Sweden about 40th in deaths. Finland and Norway about 140 in deaths.

Lockdowns work. Masks help prevent infection. Vaccine is wildly successful at preventing death. Social distancing and hygiene also help stop not only COVID but flu as well.
 
Fledermaus said:
Both Norway and Finland are highly urbanized.

Sweden about 40th in deaths. Finland and Norway about 140 in deaths.

Lockdowns work. Masks help prevent infection. Vaccine is wildly successful at preventing death. Social distancing and hygiene also help stop not only COVID but flu as well.
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You are basically just sticking your fingers in your ears and going “lalalalala”… Sweden did better than the US…without any enforced mitigation’s against Covid.

Many people that are wallowing in this “pandemic” really hate Sweden because its brave stance means we are able to see just how effective Covid mitigation’s were…and the truth hurts the Covid zealots…it must be hard when reality doesn’t match your delusions that you have invested so much hope in. To rub salt in the wounds …Sweden banned travellers from the US a couple of weeks ago.😂🤣🇸🇪
 
Big Eye said:
You just don't like the fact that Sweden , which is a highly urbanised society, did much better than the States...without Covid mitigation measures . You keep having to retreat to the position of comparing Sweden to other Scandinavian countries when the explanation for the difference has already been explained. Sweden did not test old people going into care homes...that is their only mistake ...but even with that mistake they have still done better than California.

Neal Ferguson has been completely discredited...he's the type of expert you love...prone to massive exaggeration as he is lol.
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They did have mitigation efforts, but they didn't have lockdowns.
 
Big Eye said:
You are basically just sticking your fingers in your ears and going “lalalalala”… Sweden did better than the US…without any enforced mitigation’s against Covid.

Many people that are wallowing in this “pandemic” really hate Sweden because its brave stance means we are able to see just how effective Covid mitigation’s were…and the truth hurts the Covid zealots…it must be hard when reality doesn’t match your delusions that you have invested so much hope in. To rub salt in the wounds …Sweden banned travellers from the US a couple of weeks ago.😂🤣🇸🇪
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It is pathetic that you keep bleating "Sweden, Sweden, Sweden" when Sweden failed so miserably when compared to he neighbors.

You also insist on trying to compare Sweden to other nations while ignoring the variables involved.

BTW - In deaths per million Sweden has its ass kicked by such stellar performers as Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Serbia, Germany, Botswana and so many more... Even Albania kicks Sweden ass having roughly 1/3 the death rate.
 
Rawley said:
They did have mitigation efforts, but they didn't have lockdowns.
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Mask wearing was not mandatory…people were laughed at for wearing them, schools stayed open at all times. People were informed and generally behaved sensibly…which is what we should have relied on.
 
Fledermaus said:
It is pathetic that you keep bleating "Sweden, Sweden, Sweden" when Sweden failed so miserably when compared to he neighbors.

You also insist on trying to compare Sweden to other nations while ignoring the variables involved.

BTW - In deaths per million Sweden has its ass kicked by such stellar performers as Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Serbia, Germany, Botswana and so many more... Even Albania kicks Sweden ass having roughly 1/3 the death rate.
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By your reply you show a complete misunderstanding of the situation. This virus was a fairly low risk virus that only had a minor effect on the health of 99% of the population…so no country had a massive death rate from this…the UKs was around 0.2% over 18 months) average age of death 82… so “kicking ass” is a totally inappropriate expression …the death rates were mildly different.

But the most important take away from this is that the US’s and UK’s actions against Covid gave them zero benefits over Sweden’s non-actions…Wakey , Wakey !
 
Big Eye said:
By your reply you show a complete misunderstanding of the situation. This virus was a fairly low risk virus that only had a minor effect on the health of 99% of the population…so no country had a massive death rate from this…the UKs was around 0.2% over 18 months) average age of death 82… so “kicking ass” is a totally inappropriate expression …the death rates were mildly different.

But the most important take away from this is that the US’s and UK’s actions against Covid gave them zero benefits over Sweden’s non-actions…Wakey , Wakey !
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The reality is your bleating about Sweden was laughably misplaced as it sucked compared to it's peers.
 
Big Eye said:
Mask wearing was not mandatory…people were laughed at for wearing them, schools stayed open at all times. People were informed and generally behaved sensibly…which is what we should have relied on.
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And the populace suffered compared to her neighbor nations.
 
Fledermaus said:
And the populace suffered compared to her neighbor nations.
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That's already been explained...they did not test people going into care homes...on every measure they have done better than you...what don't you understand? Does it upset you that Sweden has done better than the US without any damaging Covid mandates ?
 
Big Eye said:
That's already been explained...they did not test people going into care homes...on every measure they have done better than you...what don't you understand? Does it upset you that Sweden has done better than the US without any damaging Covid mandates ?
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I understand the impact variables have on scientific discussion.

You obviously don't

That you ignorantly treat the US as a whole and imagine lock downs and mask mandates are nationwide in the US underscores your ignorance of the situation.
 
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