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Random concerns:Students Say Free Speech Is Alive, With One Big Exception
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/u...K&kwp_0=132128&kwp_4=593996&kwp_1=309800&_r=0
Quote from article:
"...most students don’t believe that their First Amendment rights are under attack, according to a new Gallup survey: 73 percent said they thought their freedom of speech was secure.
There was one notable exception along racial lines: While 70 percent of white students said that their right to assemble was secure, just 39 percent of black students said the same."
First reaction: From my vantage point, it seems colleges and universities bend over backward to accommodate blacks. :shrug:
Random concerns:
1) The survey, while interesting, is deeply flawed, IMO, and possibly even intentionally divisive. It focuses only on blacks and whites. No other races/ethnic groups. A proper survey would strive to be more all-inclusive so that we can compare and contrast what everyone thinks and feels.
If Asians and Hispanics are closer to the white point-of-view, then maybe the blacks are being whiny and unrealistic. On the flip side, if Asians and Hispanics are closer to the black point-of-view, then maybe the survey is onto something. Problem is, per the survey, we don't know. The complete answer would help dictate what direction might be taken to hopefully remedy the disparity, because the solution would be different depending on the complete answer.
Note: There is one chart that includes Asians and Hispanics, but it is generic and the overwhelming content of the survey ignores them.
2) I find it highly disturbing, but not all that surprising, that many students favor curtailing free speech rights in certain situations. Situations where they can properly discern another's mind, I'm sure.
The survey itself can be found here. (There is a link in the above article, as well.)
Did you miss the same link in the original post?Here is the actual survey...
http://www.knightfoundation.org/media/uploads/publication_pdfs/FreeSpeech_campus.pdf
Did you miss the same link in the original post?
Right. Who gets to decide what is "approved" and what is not?Here is the actual survey...
http://www.knightfoundation.org/media/uploads/publication_pdfs/FreeSpeech_campus.pdf
There are several questions posed to the respondents about various freedoms, including free speech. Our issue that we should be talking about is the asinine idea that freedom of speech means freedom from consequence for whatever you say.
The survey also asks about "allowing" offensive speech. Overwhelmingly there is support for "open speech" but also there is also contradictory overwhelming support for restriction on "slurs and other language that is intentionally offensive to certain groups."
The literal contradiction that suggest on college campuses where this survey was offered that open speech is okay as long as it is not offensive. And this speaks volumes to my point, we have departed from the idea that your freedoms come with the inherent responsibility of having them. Now we exist in a culture where censorship is the answer, where "restriction" on the First Amendment is the ideal.
We have really screwed up with the education of our youth on what rights really mean.
Fair enough. All is good.I was just making sure people saw it, the context of the questions asked illustrate the point you cut out of the quote.
Right. Who gets to decide what is "approved" and what is not?
Maybe it's just me, but in my observations it never "just stops there".It is a reasonable concern, it turns over to whatever authority exactly where someone's First Amendment stops. All things considered this nation has had this debate many times over, the question for this generation is the expectation of government to explicitly dictate what is offensive language and stop there. We know historically that tends to lead to bad things, and for the most part once a government obtains power along those lines it does not stop continually deciding new methods to inflict with it.
It is a reasonable concern, it turns over to whatever authority exactly where someone's First Amendment stops. All things considered this nation has had this debate many times over, the question for this generation is the expectation of government to explicitly dictate what is offensive language and stop there. We know historically that tends to lead to bad things, and for the most part once a government obtains power along those lines it does not stop continually deciding new methods to inflict with it.
I think we also need to make the distinction between freedom of speech as a concept and the 1st amendment protection. It seems that liberals who mostly operate under the legal=moral doctrine throw that out the window when it comes to speech they don't like. I don't think anyone is suggesting that violence inciting hate speech is covered under the general concept of freedom of speech, but getting people fired for holding a politcal view that a large % of the country holds is ludcris for anyone that supports the freedom of speech.
First reaction: From my vantage point, it seems colleges and universities bend over backward to accommodate blacks. :shrug:
Random concerns:
1) The survey, while interesting, is deeply flawed, IMO, and possibly even intentionally divisive. It focuses only on blacks and whites. No other races/ethnic groups. A proper survey would strive to be more all-inclusive so that we can compare and contrast what everyone thinks and feels.
If Asians and Hispanics are closer to the white point-of-view, then maybe the blacks are being whiny and unrealistic. On the flip side, if Asians and Hispanics are closer to the black point-of-view, then maybe the survey is onto something. Problem is, per the survey, we don't know. The complete answer would help dictate what direction might be taken to hopefully remedy the disparity, because the solution would be different depending on the complete answer.
Note: There is one chart that includes Asians and Hispanics, but it is generic and the overwhelming content of the survey ignores them.
2) I find it highly disturbing, but not all that surprising, that many students favor curtailing free speech rights in certain situations. Situations where they can properly discern another's mind, I'm sure.
The survey itself can be found here. (There is a link in the above article, as well.)
First reaction: From my vantage point, it seems colleges and universities bend over backward to accommodate blacks. :shrug:
Random concerns:
1) The survey, while interesting, is deeply flawed, IMO, and possibly even intentionally divisive. It focuses only on blacks and whites. No other races/ethnic groups. A proper survey would strive to be more all-inclusive so that we can compare and contrast what everyone thinks and feels.
If Asians and Hispanics are closer to the white point-of-view, then maybe the blacks are being whiny and unrealistic. On the flip side, if Asians and Hispanics are closer to the black point-of-view, then maybe the survey is onto something. Problem is, per the survey, we don't know. The complete answer would help dictate what direction might be taken to hopefully remedy the disparity, because the solution would be different depending on the complete answer.
Note: There is one chart that includes Asians and Hispanics, but it is generic and the overwhelming content of the survey ignores them.
2) I find it highly disturbing, but not all that surprising, that many students favor curtailing free speech rights in certain situations. Situations where they can properly discern another's mind, I'm sure.
The survey itself can be found here. (There is a link in the above article, as well.)
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