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Strong leaders missing within the Dem party

Nah.
There are lots of people still butt hurt that a black man won. Twice. And the country is more polarized. Why chance a racist backlash in the polls? (rhetorical question)
So the majority of Americans, you know the people who voted for Obama, are butt hurt that a black was elected into office twice.

That you can post that without seeing the stupidity of it is hilarious.

But please keep denying reality.
 
So the majority of Americans, you know the people who voted for Obama, are butt hurt that a black was elected into office twice.
Not what I said. Read it again. Or not.
That you can post that without seeing the stupidity of it is hilarious.

But please keep denying reality.
That you rush to post and try to score points without understanding what you read is hilarious to me 🤷‍♂️
 
Not what I said. Read it again. Or not.

That you rush to post and try to score points without understanding what you read is hilarious to me 🤷‍♂️
No you said lots of people were upset because a black man won. But the majority of Americans voted for him. Do you think they didn’t realize he was black till after the end of his second term.

Your posts are idiotic and you can not back any of your bs. But please keep pretending it is me who doesn’t understand.
 
a 1980 landslide can never happen in the modern era. Bush had a 28% approval rating on Election Day 2008, and Obama couldn't even win 400 EV's, and he was a much stronger candidate than any of the clowns the GOP had running in 2024.

Regardless, what happened in 2024 is irrelevant to now. Right now, Trump is unpopular on pretty much all issues, except immigration, which he's barely above water on. And now after 'beefing" with the richest man in the world, who called him a pedo in front of the entire world and called for his impeachment....Trump base will keep shrinking to that 35% or so who worship the ground he walks on, which is not enough to win him or the GOP elections. The GOP is a circus, they can't govern, their leaders are basically all lunatics, and despite controlling the WH, senate, and house they can't get anything done besides executive orders, or stupid nonsense like "Gulf of America". Dems are best to let him continue the way they are going, and destroy them with the mountain of attack ads they will have come 2026 and 2028.
Trump’s overall job approval isn’t bad, within a couple of points of being even. Having as many approve as disapprove. But the polls are about a week behind the events happening today or yesterday.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating

Yes, being the political era, we live in today, that of polarization, the great divide, the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship, having another 1980 landslide seems a bit impossible. We have way too many solid states with only around 8 or so that are in the swing or battleground column. I have been pegging MAGA or the avid Trumpers at around 30% of the electorate. Basically, going by those who view Trump very favorably in the polls leaving out those who view him somewhat favorably. But 30% or 35%, that’s close enough.

 
No you said lots of people were upset because a black man won. But the majority of Americans voted for him. Do you think they didn’t realize he was black till after the end of his second term.

Your posts are idiotic and you can not back any of your bs. But please keep pretending it is me who doesn’t understand.

Obama was last elected 16 years ago. Think about how the country has changed in the past 16 years.
And if you’d like me to continue to respond to your replies, try to make your points without your thinly veiled personal insults.
 
It really does seem like they are holding firm to virtually all their previous policy platforms and to their technique of telling voters those are the things they should support and care about.

I have to agree, so far, they aren't changing a thing. Not a single policy and not a single tactic. I'm amazed watching it.

I think it's because there are a considerable number of Dem voters who are quite far left, and the Dems are terrified of losing them. So, they simply can't moderate and risk that group sitting home and refusing to vote for them.
Absolutely. They know they can't win unless they appease the far left and the far left is why they are losing. It's a lose lose situation. And, the far left know this and are trying to hijack the democrat party.
 
Perino mentioned this enormous "strong leaders" difference between the parties yesterday. She viewed it as significant polling info. Today, CNN is out with this piece talking about the same finding in their new poll. Additionally, CNN is seeing the "party of change" poll result as an important piece too, since the party out of office almost always leads in this category. But not now.

"There’s new evidence that the Democratic Party’s reputation is in a bad place. That doesn’t mean the party is doomed, electorally speaking. There’s plenty of reason to doubt that, given lots of history and its performance in the 2025 elections thus far — but it is a complicating factor for the party’s path forward.

And a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS provides insights into the party’s problems. It’s worth a breakdown.

The poll, which was released Sunday, asked a battery of questions about how people view both parties. Perhaps most striking was that people were more likely to view the Republicans than Democrats as the party with strong leaders (40% to 16%) and even the “party of change” (32% to 25%)."


Being leaderless is probably the democrat’s main problem when it comes to combating Trump. If one remembers back after Trump won in 2016, Pelosi picked up the reins of leadership and led the democrats to a 42-seat gain and control of the house in the 2018 midterms. It seems the democrats have no one with the leadership skills or no one willing to take up that mantel, the reigns of leadership to lead the party against Trump. Trump seems to have the democrats flummoxed. The democrats have no idea of what to do next.

The democrat’s problem besides being leaderless is that they are still viewed in a worse light than the republican party. 41% percent of all Americans view Republicans favorably/52 percent unfavorably, whereas only 36 percent of Americans view Democrats favorably and 57 percent unfavorably. This could have dire consequences for next year’s midterm elections. Trump isn’t a popular president, far from it. But as long as the democrats remain leaderless, rudderless, a drift at sea so to speak letting the tide and the currents take them where ever that may be, I don’t see the above changing anytime soon.

 
Perino mentioned this enormous "strong leaders" difference between the parties yesterday. She viewed it as significant polling info. Today, CNN is out with this piece talking about the same finding in their new poll. Additionally, CNN is seeing the "party of change" poll result as an important piece too, since the party out of office almost always leads in this category. But not now.

"There’s new evidence that the Democratic Party’s reputation is in a bad place. That doesn’t mean the party is doomed, electorally speaking. There’s plenty of reason to doubt that, given lots of history and its performance in the 2025 elections thus far — but it is a complicating factor for the party’s path forward.

And a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS provides insights into the party’s problems. It’s worth a breakdown.

The poll, which was released Sunday, asked a battery of questions about how people view both parties. Perhaps most striking was that people were more likely to view the Republicans than Democrats as the party with strong leaders (40% to 16%) and even the “party of change” (32% to 25%)."


I read "strong leaders" on the republican side for what they have proven to be, criminals and toady sychophants. Their criminality and anti-Constitutionality is historically bad.
I don't disagree that the dems are currently lost on effective leadership.
Whatta bunch.
 
Absolutely. They know they can't win unless they appease the far left and the far left is why they are losing. It's a lose lose situation. And, the far left know this and are trying to hijack the democrat party.
This certainly explains why AOC and Bernie are being so bold and vocal and any of the more moderate Dems are being shy and quiet.

I think moderate Dems who very much hope to have a bigger political future, might be feeling like their campaigns could more or less get kind of lost or stopped before they hardly get started (thinking their momentum might not take off or happen at all), if they try to take a leadership role now. It seems to me they are all kind of waiting for the strength of the far left to lessen and the party to somehow organically or magically shift to more moderate. They don't want to take a risk of being the first out and then being largely ignored. But meanwhile, it's kind of the opposite happening. Because the more moderate ones are sitting and waiting, the far left is kind of effectively hijacking the party, by default.
 
Being leaderless is probably the democrat’s main problem when it comes to combating Trump. If one remembers back after Trump won in 2016, Pelosi picked up the reins of leadership and led the democrats to a 42-seat gain and control of the house in the 2018 midterms. It seems the democrats have no one with the leadership skills or no one willing to take up that mantel, the reigns of leadership to lead the party against Trump. Trump seems to have the democrats flummoxed. The democrats have no idea of what to do next.

The democrat’s problem besides being leaderless is that they are still viewed in a worse light than the republican party. 41% percent of all Americans view Republicans favorably/52 percent unfavorably, whereas only 36 percent of Americans view Democrats favorably and 57 percent unfavorably. This could have dire consequences for next year’s midterm elections. Trump isn’t a popular president, far from it. But as long as the democrats remain leaderless, rudderless, a drift at sea so to speak letting the tide and the currents take them where ever that may be, I don’t see the above changing anytime soon.

You're comparing the outcome during when the dems held the house vs now when they don't hold the house? Why would you do that?
 
This certainly explains why AOC and Bernie are being so bold and vocal and any of the more moderate Dems are being shy and quiet.

I think moderate Dems who very much hope to have a bigger political future, might be feeling like their campaigns could more or less get kind of lost or stopped before they hardly get started (thinking their momentum might not take off or happen at all), if they try to take a leadership role now. It seems to me they are all kind of waiting for the strength of the far left to lessen and the party to somehow organically or magically shift to more moderate. They don't want to take a risk of being the first out and then being largely ignored. But meanwhile, it's kind of the opposite happening. Because the more moderate ones are sitting and waiting, the far left is kind of effectively hijacking the party, by default.
Now do moderate republicans.
 
It seems the democrats have no one with the leadership skills or no one willing to take up that mantel, the reigns of leadership to lead the party against Trump. Trump seems to have the democrats flummoxed. The democrats have no idea of what to do next.
I completely agree. No one (besides AOC) seems to be willing to get out there and give it a solid effort.

If we think back to past primaries on both sides, so many flame out so quickly. Beto is just one example who comes to mind. There were big initial hopes for him, but they were very short lived. I think Buttigieg is an example of someone who would suffer that fate if he tried to make a bold move right now. I just don't see the energy, drive and motivation in that guy. So, I think it's possible many Dems wanting to get in the mix, are likely feeling the risk of quickly flaming out.

Trump has a big personality and a heck of a lot of energy. He puts in a lot of effort, and he's loaded with determination and motivation. And not just in campaigns. Even when in office, he's determined and motivated. Many a personality looks lazy in comparison. I think that's one reason Trump seems to have Dems flummoxed and one reason AOC's spunk is working for her.
 
Obama was last elected 16 years ago. Think about how the country has changed in the past 16 years.
And if you’d like me to continue to respond to your replies, try to make your points without your thinly veiled personal insults.
That you think the majority of voters, the same people who elected Obama, have all of a sudden decided that they don’t want to elect anyone other then a straight white middle aged male is simply stupid.

The democrats ran a shitty candidate who even the left didn’t want to elect. And gave her a fraction of the normal time to campaign as normal. But no it is all because she is a black woman.

I mean clearly that is why she failed so epically when she ran last time right?


But hey. It’s time for you to actually back up your claims with anything more than your poutrage ranting. So let’s see what you have. I will be waiting patiently
 
This certainly explains why AOC and Bernie are being so bold and vocal and any of the more moderate Dems are being shy and quiet.

I think moderate Dems who very much hope to have a bigger political future, might be feeling like their campaigns could more or less get kind of lost or stopped before they hardly get started (thinking their momentum might not take off or happen at all), if they try to take a leadership role now. It seems to me they are all kind of waiting for the strength of the far left to lessen and the party to somehow organically or magically shift to more moderate. They don't want to take a risk of being the first out and then being largely ignored. But meanwhile, it's kind of the opposite happening. Because the more moderate ones are sitting and waiting, the far left is kind of effectively hijacking the party, by default.
They are between a rock and a hard place.
 
The democratic party is basically leaderless today. But with the GOP in full control of congress plus the presidency, that probably doesn’t mean much. But it could come next year’s midterms. When Trump won the presidency back in 2016, Pelosi stepped up and became the democratic party’s leader guiding them to a gain of 42 seats in the 2018 midterms to regain control of the house. Trump so far this term has the democrats totally flummoxed. They don’t know what to do or where or who to turn to. They miss the leadership of Pelosi.

Just being the anti-Trump party isn’t enough. Last year’s election proved this as does Trump’s solid 47.5% overall job approval.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating

Fact is neither major party is liked. The democratic party is view positive/favorably by 36% of all Americans, the GOP by 41%. Questions 19A and B.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_WokQXF7.pdf

The dislike of both is growing as seen in the rise of independents from 30% in 2006 up to 43% today as both major parties shrink. Trump isn’t popular, being view favorably by 45% of all Americans, question 2A link above. But as long as the democrats have no one to challenge him or a positive policy, agenda to counteract Trump and his policies, this doesn’t matter. Just being anti-Trump isn’t working.
Amazingly, the rise of independents and disapproval of both parties has led to more votes for the two parties. Everybody seems to realize the two parties are the only real games in town and are chosing their respective corners, picking one side or the other while at the same time leaving both parties. You'd think that this would be a good time for some kind of third party to get a foothold but it isn't happening.
 
When Trump won in 2016, the republicans also controlled the senate 52-48 and the house 241-194. Total control. Pelosi took charge, then after the 2018 midterms, the democrats regained control of the house 236-199. What’s the difference? After last year the GOP now has total control, 220-215 in the house and 53-47 in the senate. The numbers are a bit different, but it’s the same result. Trump winning the presidency along with the republicans controlling both the house and the senate.

Bottom line, the democrats didn’t have any power after the 2016 election until after the 2018 midterms when they retook the house.
I might add that you don't really have total control unless you have 60 in the Senate. So far, it doesn't look like democrats are going to score big in the 2026 midterms. If they do retake the House, it may be a squeaker. But, right now, it's not even a guarantee dems will retake the House. I really don't like the way the House works, where the majority party can do whatever the hell they want with a vote of 218-217.
 
I completely agree. No one (besides AOC) seems to be willing to get out there and give it a solid effort.

If we think back to past primaries on both sides, so many flame out so quickly. Beto is just one example who comes to mind. There were big initial hopes for him, but they were very short lived. I think Buttigieg is an example of someone who would suffer that fate if he tried to make a bold move right now. I just don't see the energy, drive and motivation in that guy. So, I think it's possible many Dems wanting to get in the mix, are likely feeling the risk of quickly flaming out.

Trump has a big personality and a heck of a lot of energy. He puts in a lot of effort, and he's loaded with determination and motivation. And not just in campaigns. Even when in office, he's determined and motivated. Many a personality looks lazy in comparison. I think that's one reason Trump seems to have Dems flummoxed and one reason AOC's spunk is working for her.
Perhaps Trump has the democrats scared of him. None of the democrats want to feel his wrath as whoever stepped up would certainly feel.
 
I prefer sites like RCP and Nate Silver’s Silver Bulletin that averages out the most recent polls. All pollsters have biases, most not intentional. But the way they weight the polls differ. I’m not one to pick and choose which polls I like or dislike based on the results I want. You also have a difference in who is polled. Some poll all adults, others just registered voters and these are those who poll likely voters.

Atlas polled all adults which let’s you know within their margin of error of probably plus or minus 3 points what all of America is thinking. But when it comes to election, not all of America votes. Presidential elections have averaged 55% of eligible voters since 1960 which means 45% of those polled by Atlas won’t bother to vote. This is where polls who survey registered voters or likely voters are much more accurate when it comes to elections.

You can see the difference in some of the polls listed in the generic congressional ballot. All Adults, Atlas gives the democrats a 9-point advantage. Now we’re talking midterms which on average only 40% of the people vote. That means 60% of those surveyed by Atlas won’t go to the polls on election day. Now the Economist/YouGov polled registered voters, the democrats have a 2-point advantage while Cygnal polled likely voters which for election probably would be the most accurate within their margin of error. Cygnal gives democrats a one-point advantage among those most likely to show up at the polls and vote.
Personally, I don't think a generic Congressional poll means that much unless there is a huge sway. All that really matters is the individual races in the swing discrticts. So far, to me, it doesn't look like dems are going to have a wave of any kind. The fact that the current split is razor thin is the only advantage they have.
 
Amazingly, the rise of independents and disapproval of both parties has led to more votes for the two parties. Everybody seems to realize the two parties are the only real games in town and are chosing their respective corners, picking one side or the other while at the same time leaving both parties. You'd think that this would be a good time for some kind of third party to get a foothold but it isn't happening.
If there’s one thing both major parties agree on, it’s no viable third party will ever rise. Republicans and democrats write out election laws and they do it as a mutual protection act. What we have today is a lot of voters not voting for someone or party, but voting for the lesser of two evils, the least worse candidate or party or the candidate or party one wants to lose the least. Although they want both to lose. What also has happened with the shrinking of both major parties is more and more moderates leave, it leaves both major parties with more and more ideologues which moves each major party further and further left and right.

I always thought it great watching the rise of the independent voter, but I’m not so sure now. What has happened is with their leaving has left both major parties without a calming or moderating influence. No more compromising or playing that old political game of give and take.
 
Being leaderless is probably the democrat’s main problem when it comes to combating Trump. If one remembers back after Trump won in 2016, Pelosi picked up the reins of leadership and led the democrats to a 42-seat gain and control of the house in the 2018 midterms. It seems the democrats have no one with the leadership skills or no one willing to take up that mantel, the reigns of leadership to lead the party against Trump. Trump seems to have the democrats flummoxed. The democrats have no idea of what to do next.

The democrat’s problem besides being leaderless is that they are still viewed in a worse light than the republican party. 41% percent of all Americans view Republicans favorably/52 percent unfavorably, whereas only 36 percent of Americans view Democrats favorably and 57 percent unfavorably. This could have dire consequences for next year’s midterm elections. Trump isn’t a popular president, far from it. But as long as the democrats remain leaderless, rudderless, a drift at sea so to speak letting the tide and the currents take them where ever that may be, I don’t see the above changing anytime soon.

Democrats need to stand for something other than just opposing Trump and voters rejected what they stood for in 2024. They veered so far left that many found Trump appealing. In other words, just having a leader to oppose Trump isn't going to work when it comes to the win column. They need a leader who stands for something different than what democrats stood for in 2024.
 
Perhaps Trump has the democrats scared of him. None of the democrats want to feel his wrath as whoever stepped up would certainly feel.
The problem is democrats need to have a leader who stands up for something other than just opposing Trump.
 
I might add that you don't really have total control unless you have 60 in the Senate. So far, it doesn't look like democrats are going to score big in the 2026 midterms. If they do retake the House, it may be a squeaker. But, right now, it's not even a guarantee dems will retake the House. I really don't like the way the House works, where the majority party can do whatever the hell they want with a vote of 218-217.
Things change over time. It wasn’t until September of 2021 when Biden dropped from the positive approval down into the negative while the democrats lost the initiative when it came to the house elections. Today, there’s about 40 competitive house seats or at risk of switching seats. The democrats have 22 of them vs. 18 for the GOP. The senate as of today, the republicans have two seats in the tossup column, Maine and North Carolina, the democrats have three, Georgia, Michigan, New Hampshire. Some would add Minnesota to the democratic list since it’s an open seat. Minnesota has slowly been trending red.

It's way too early to make any type of prediction for next year’s midterms. I usually wait until around January to do that.
 
If there’s one thing both major parties agree on, it’s no viable third party will ever rise. Republicans and democrats write out election laws and they do it as a mutual protection act. What we have today is a lot of voters not voting for someone or party, but voting for the lesser of two evils, the least worse candidate or party or the candidate or party one wants to lose the least. Although they want both to lose. What also has happened with the shrinking of both major parties is more and more moderates leave, it leaves both major parties with more and more ideologues which moves each major party further and further left and right.

I always thought it great watching the rise of the independent voter, but I’m not so sure now. What has happened is with their leaving has left both major parties without a calming or moderating influence. No more compromising or playing that old political game of give and take.
Both parties have either thrown moderates overboard or forced them to walk the plank and jump of their own accord. It's getting to be that no sane person would want to be in politics, only leaving the insane running for offices. Over the last several years there has been a fever pitch of both parties wanting to primary their own incumbants for not toeing the party line.
 
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