Strok has an explanation for fisa mistakes.

[Athanasius68]

How do you know mistakes were not made on other FISA applications?

Horowitz did a random audit of several other FISA warrants and found they were basically sound.

 

[BlueTex]

Horowitz did a random audit of several other FISA warrants and found they were basically sound.

Really? No material misstatements or material omissions?

 

[Overitall]

Horowitz did a random audit of several other FISA warrants and found they were basically sound.

He must be a Trumpster.

 

[Athanasius68]

Really? No material misstatements or material omissions?

Yep-- didn't say they were perfect-- nothing ever is.

But an explanation that the specific problems of the Page warrant as being due to a systemic problem is not supported.

Which is why Strzok said the specific problems of the Page warrant were due to the FBI agents being tired.

 

[tres borrachos]

That's your graceless way of admitting your mistake about the FISA warrants.
3 were issued in 2017.
1 after he was elected and 2 after Trump was inaugurated.

And most were issued starting back in 2013.

A coup. :lol: How pathetic Trump Fan Nation has become. Trump does appreciate your undying fealty and loyalty.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Glad to give you something to do.

Isn’t/wasn’t Griffin a correspondent for Fox? Or is it contributing correspondent. In any case I’ve seen libs using Fox as a source for confirmation and they aren’t exactly Fox fans. Do you deny that?

They may have said Fox and/or Griffin. I’m saying Griffin to be clear about the source. She’s among a very small minority of legitimate journalists at Fox, and deserves to have that distinction noted, IMO.

And before you reply, possibly assuming I don’t use the same standard when considering left leaning news sources, I do. Although normally correct when reporting specific facts, Don Lemon, Mika Brzezinski and her hubby (former R congressman, Joe Scarborough) are a few examples of talking heads I skip because they typically spout mostly opinion/hyperbole.

 

[bubbabgone]

And most were issued starting back in 2013.

A coup. :lol: How pathetic Trump Fan Nation has become. Trump does appreciate your undying fealty and loyalty.

You're visibly squirming.
You said "They [FISA warrants] were issued in 2016."
That wasn't true, was it.

 

[BlueTex]

Yep-- didn't say they were perfect-- nothing ever is.

But an explanation that the specific problems of the Page warrant as being due to a systemic problem is not supported.

Which is why Strzok said the specific problems of the Page warrant were due to the FBI agents being tired.

That's very odd.. The DOJ IG stated in response to the court who ordered the audit that is DID find one material misstatement and one material omission... hmmmm




http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/08/04/docket_no_19-02_-_july_29_filing.pdf

 

[tres borrachos]

You're visibly squirming.
You said "They [FISA warrants] were issued in 2016."
That wasn't true, was it.

The ones in question were issued before Trump was President.

But it was a coup! Poor Donald! Everyone was removing him from office before he was ever there!

A coup :lol:

 

[Athanasius68]

That's very odd.. The DOJ IG stated in response to the court who ordered the audit that is DID find one material misstatement and one material omission... hmmmm

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http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/08/04/docket_no_19-02_-_july_29_filing.pdf

Like I said-- nothing is perfect.
But the problems of the FISA warrant on Page are not due to a systemic problem within the FBI in their handling of FISA warrants.

 

[BlueTex]

Like I said-- nothing is perfect.
But the problems of the FISA warrant on Page are not due to a systemic problem within the FBI in their handling of FISA warrants.

Has any court ruled that the deficiencies in the FISA warrant on Page make the warrant invalid?

 

[Athanasius68]

Has any court ruled that the deficiencies in the FISA warrant on Page make the warrant invalid?

Not that I am aware.

 

[Craig234]

Isn't it interesting how corrupt Republicans are. Comey, a Republican FBI Director, had investigations on Hillary and trump. On Hillary, it was a nothing issue about e-mails on a private server. On trump, it was solid information on Russian interference to help trump, which would eventually lead to charges and convictions, including top trump people.

Just before the election, he announced only the investigation into Hillary publicly, giving trump the election. But even though he had broken the rules which gave trump the election, when he then wouldn't become trump's personal servant and kill investigations of Michael Flynn as trump wanted, trump illegally fired him based on lies, and Republicans branded the guy who gave trump the election a criminal and enemy. That's what Republicans are.

 

[Overitall]

Has any court ruled that the deficiencies in the FISA warrant on Page make the warrant invalid?

I don’t think so but didn’t the FISA court itself issue a scathing rebuke?

 

[BlueTex]

I don’t think so but didn’t the FISA court itself issue a scathing rebuke?

The expressed concerns over the entire FISA process and asked for a number of remediations to improve the process. They have accepted all those remediations...

 

[Overitall]

The expressed concerns over the entire FISA process and asked for a number of remediations to improve the process. They have accepted all those remediations...

Hopefully the process will improve. If not maybe the court should be abandoned. I never did trust it.

 

[Athanasius68]

Isn't it interesting how corrupt Republicans are. Comey, a Republican FBI Director, had investigations on Hillary and trump. On Hillary, it was a nothing issue about e-mails on a private server. On trump, it was solid information on Russian interference to help trump, which would eventually lead to charges and convictions, including top trump people.

Just before the election, he announced only the investigation into Hillary publicly, giving trump the election. But even though he had broken the rules which gave trump the election, when he then wouldn't become trump's personal servant and kill investigations of Michael Flynn as trump wanted, trump illegally fired him based on lies, and Republicans branded the guy who gave trump the election a criminal and enemy. That's what Republicans are.

They had solid information on Mrs. Clinton--- a personal email server, an admission government work was used over it, missing emails. We saw an investigation in which immunities were handed out like candy.

But with Trump-- no solid information or evidence. Indeed, Downer had confirmed that PapaD never spoke to any Russians. There was never any there there.

Btw-- Comey was fired due to the way he handled the Clinton investigation.

 

[Craig234]

Hopefully the process will improve. If not maybe the court should be abandoned. I never did trust it.

We just can't have 'reform' corrupt it to make it worse. If 'reform' were passed today, it would probably say from now on Rudy Giuliani and Jared Kushner are in charge.

 

[bubbabgone]

The ones in question were issued before Trump was President.

But it was a coup! Poor Donald! Everyone was removing him from office before he was ever there!

A coup :lol:

No they weren't.

1 was issued in October 2016 before he was elected.
1 was issued in January 2017 after he was elected.
1 was issued in April 2017, and 1 was issued in June 2017 ... both after Trump was inaugurated.
The 3 in 2017 were renewals of the 1 in 2016.
So all 4 are the "ones in question".
You're not going to win this one.
Why do you keep trying?
You made a mistake ... repeatedly.
Your continued denials suggest a character flaw.

 

[tres borrachos]

No they weren't.

1 was issued in October 2016 before he was elected.
1 was issued in January 2017 after he was elected.
1 was issued in April 2017, and 1 was issued in June 2017 ... both after Trump was inaugurated.
The 3 in 2017 were renewals of the 1 in 2016.
So all 4 are the "ones in question".
You're not going to win this one.
Why do you keep trying?
You made a mistake ... repeatedly.
Your continued denials suggest a character flaw.

So you agree your claim of a "coup" was stupid since he wasn't even in office when the first ones were issued.

Does Trump pay you to post stupid things, or do you just do it out of love for him?

 

[bubbabgone]

So you agree your claim of a "coup" was stupid since he wasn't even in office when the first ones were issued.

Does Trump pay you to post stupid things, or do you just do it out of love for him?

heh heh.
You should have admitted yesterday that you made a mistake about the FISA warrants.
You've done too much damage to yourself now.

"The denier is fighting to preserve a self-image which would be threatened by admitting the mistake. Even if no one else buys it, the denier — if they’re able to pull off the self-deception — has avoided facing an uncomfortable truth: they aren’t as competent as they’d like to believe."

"But when people are constitutionally unable to admit they’re wrong, when they cannot tolerate the very notion that they are capable of mistakes, it is because they suffer from an ego so fragile that they cannot sulk and get over it — they need to warp their very perception of reality and challenge obvious facts in order to defend their not being wrong in the first place.
How we respond to such people is up to us. The one mistake we should not make is to consider their persistent and rigid refusal to admit they’re wrong as a sign of strength or conviction, because it is the absolute opposite — psychological weakness and fragility."

There are lots of quotes like that to describe your problem.

I expect there are sources that mention trying to change the subject rather than admitting a mistake is an indication of their psychological problem ... like you're doing now.

 

[Roadvirus]

Beign overworked caused this guy to lie to obtain a FISA warrant?

WASHINGTON (AP) — A former FBI lawyer plans to plead guilty to making a false statement in the first criminal case arising from U.S. Attorney John Durham’s investigation into the probe of ties between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign, his lawyer said Friday.

Kevin Clinesmith is accused of altering a government email about a former Trump campaign adviser who was a target of secret FBI surveillance, according to documents filed in Washington’s federal court. His lawyer, Justin Shur, told The Associated Press that Clinesmith intends to plead guilty to the single false statement count and that he regrets his actions.

Ex-FBI lawyer to plead guilty in Trump-Russia probe review

 

[dixon01767]

Now that you put it that way I guess he’s right. Apparently even though he’s no longer employed by the FBI he’s still hard at work to get Trump.

And defending himself. Anything he might be charged with criminally would include an element of intent. Much like he still claims he believes Trump has been compromised by Russia who holds nasty secrets about Trump to hold over his head. If he were charged he will need to convince a jury that what looks like an intent to use a fraudulent investigation and fraudulent information to damage his election and presidency, was really just incompetence of himself and others who genuinely believed Trump was conspiring with Russia.