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Story about an Azov soldier, Russian Mom, Chechens, and a line that was crossed

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I am working hard to be added to the pro-Russian list. Leaving the joke aside. A late family member always used to say that I am a very good observer and can find a flaw in just about everything.

I will not post any videos or pictures about this story, I found them troubling. If you want, you can search it online or on Twitter, the videos are there, on Twitter search.


Here it is:

I started watching a video called "Ukrainian soldier calls Russian". The individual was an Azov Batallion member picking up a dead Russian soldier's phone and going through his contact information. At one point he calls the russian soldier's mom mocking her on the phone while she is on the other line crying. It is unknown if the soldier was a conscript.

The scene unsettled me. I respect soldiers and in regards to Azov, it is not the duty of Vladimir Putin to police Ukraine. That is like Turkey claiming that their minority is being oppressed in the old Ottoman empire. That does not give the right of Erdogdan or Vladimir Putin to invade a sovereign nation. The other propaganda that is going around is that they are far-right. Yah so? If Russia would invade America, are you telling me you as an American would not want Antifa, proud boys, white militia, black panthers, etc fighting to keep the country away from the Russians?. You are lying to yourself if you say no.

Back to the soldier. I was thinking for days about that piece of garbage. A soldier should fight for what he loves, he should not get consumed by what he hates, that is an extremist.

I said to myself let me search for him again.

And would you look at that? A Russian account presented a photo and an explanation that they tracked his phone. Might be fake but I highly doubt it because the person looked exactly like the guy in the video mocking the Russian mom. He was not having a good day. He was surrounded by 3 Cechens. I wonder what was going through his mind? Would he be in that position if he chose to love his country more than hate the enemy?

Please consider when grading the writing skills that I am of the engineering background, at least a D +
 
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There will be all sorts of ugly and depraved goings on in this war, just like in any other war. To think that both sides have not engaged in these types of horrors is to be completely naive imho

I get that the western propaganda machine is on steroids at the moment so is only really going after the Russians on such things but rational people will know the above will be the truth
 

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There will be a lot of well armed Nazis in Ukraine after this war.
 

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I am working hard to be added to the pro-Russian list. Leaving the joke aside. A late family member always used to say that I am a very good observer and can find a flaw in just about everything.

I will not post any videos or pictures about this story, I found them troubling. If you want, you can search it online or on Twitter, the videos are there, on Twitter search.


Here it is:

I started watching a video called "Ukrainian soldier calls Russian". The individual was an Azov Batallion member picking up a dead Russian soldier's phone and going through his contact information. At one point he calls the russian soldier's mom mocking her on the phone while she is on the other line crying. It is unknown if the soldier was a conscript.

The scene unsettled me. I respect soldiers and in regards to Azov, it is not the duty of Vladimir Putin to police Ukraine. That is like Turkey claiming that their minority is being oppressed in the old Ottoman empire. That does not give the right of Erdogdan or Vladimir Putin to invade a sovereign nation. The other propaganda that is going around is that they are far-right. Yah so? If Russia would invade America, are you telling me you as an American would not want Antifa, proud boys, white militia, black panthers, etc fighting to keep the country away from the Russians?. You are lying to yourself if you say no.

Back to the soldier. I was thinking for days about that piece of garbage. A soldier should fight for what he loves, he should not get consumed by what he hates, that is an extremist.

I said to myself let me search for him again.

And would you look at that? A Russian account presented a photo and an explanation that they tracked his phone. Might be fake but I highly doubt it because the person looked exactly like the guy in the video mocking the Russian mom. He was not having a good day. He was surrounded by 3 Cechens. I wonder what was going through his mind? Would he be in that position if he chose to love his country more than hate the enemy?

Please consider when grading the writing skills that I am of the engineering background, at least a D +

Karma really does come back to bite sometimes.
 

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I am working hard to be added to the pro-Russian list. Leaving the joke aside. A late family member always used to say that I am a very good observer and can find a flaw in just about everything.

I will not post any videos or pictures about this story, I found them troubling. If you want, you can search it online or on Twitter, the videos are there, on Twitter search.


Here it is:

I started watching a video called "Ukrainian soldier calls Russian". The individual was an Azov Batallion member picking up a dead Russian soldier's phone and going through his contact information. At one point he calls the russian soldier's mom mocking her on the phone while she is on the other line crying. It is unknown if the soldier was a conscript.

The scene unsettled me. I respect soldiers and in regards to Azov, it is not the duty of Vladimir Putin to police Ukraine. That is like Turkey claiming that their minority is being oppressed in the old Ottoman empire. That does not give the right of Erdogdan or Vladimir Putin to invade a sovereign nation. The other propaganda that is going around is that they are far-right. Yah so? If Russia would invade America, are you telling me you as an American would not want Antifa, proud boys, white militia, black panthers, etc fighting to keep the country away from the Russians?. You are lying to yourself if you say no.

Back to the soldier. I was thinking for days about that piece of garbage. A soldier should fight for what he loves, he should not get consumed by what he hates, that is an extremist.

I said to myself let me search for him again.

And would you look at that? A Russian account presented a photo and an explanation that they tracked his phone. Might be fake but I highly doubt it because the person looked exactly like the guy in the video mocking the Russian mom. He was not having a good day. He was surrounded by 3 Cechens. I wonder what was going through his mind? Would he be in that position if he chose to love his country more than hate the enemy?

Please consider when grading the writing skills that I am of the engineering background, at least a D +

Although I am 100 percent on the side of the Ukrainian people, if that soldier did what you reported I don't feel sorry for him... how horrible to take you're hate on a mother, gloating about her son's death. Just horrible.

After viewing the videos of Ukrainian mothers, daughters, and wives sobbing over their lost sons, brothers, and husbands I find it impossible to forgive anyone that adds to their pain by taunting or mocking. This war began with a degree of humanity when Ukrainian soldiers had the good sense to let their POWs call home and treated them well. I"m sure, by now, all that has disappeared.

If I could kill Putin and lose my life in the process...by God I'd do it.
 

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How culpable are ordinary adult Russians who Putin persuaded to support him politically, dating back to the Yeltsin era, and more so, since
the 2008 invasion of Georgia and the take over of Crimea?

Russians born before 1980 have an excuse, raised and schooled in a totalitarian political system but there have been a lot of signs to observe
since Putin's rise. Exotic poisonings, the second war in Chechnya, elimination of almost all opposition candidates, the Pu**y Riot prosecutions.

The Russian mother was mistreated, in her grief, but part of the abuse was the price of timely, confirmed (she received the provocative call from her son's number if caller ID announced it) news of her son's death which she may not have received through her own government for some time, if at all, the abusive call is a minor act of battlefield revenge under the circumstances.

Which was worse, inarguably, this pardon or a telephone call from someone who likely was experiencing immediate casualties of fellow
soldiers?
"The Nisour Square massacre occurred on September 16, 2007, when employees of Blackwater Security Consulting (now Academi), a private military company contracted by the US government to provide security services in Iraq, shot at Iraqi civilians, killing 17 and injuring 20 in Nisour Square, Baghdad, while escorting a U.S. embassy convoy.[1][2][3] .."

January 2, 2021

"..​

Historically, presidential pardons have been reserved for nonviolent crimes, not manslaughter or murder, and the traditional process led by the Justice Department values acceptance of responsibility and remorse from those convicted of crimes. The Blackwater contractors meet none of that criteria. They were convicted in the killings of unarmed Iraqi women and children and have long been defiant in their assertions of innocence.

In an interview with The Associated Press, his first since being released from prison, Liberty, 38, again expressed little remorse for actions he says were defensible given the context.

"I feel like I acted correctly," he said of his conduct in 2007. "I regret any innocent loss of life, but I'm just confident in how I acted and I can basically feel peace with that."

The Blackwater rampage marked one of the darkest chapters of the Iraq war, staining the U.S. government reputation and prompting an international outcry about the role of contractors in military zones. The guards have long maintained they were targeted by insurgent gunfire at the traffic circle where the shooting occurred. Prosecutors argued there was no evidence to support that claim, noting that many victims were shot while in their cars or while taking shelter or trying to flee.

After a monthslong trial in 2014, a jury convicted the men in the deaths of 14 civilians and of injuring even more. A judge called the shootings an "overall wild thing" that cannot be condoned..."
 

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I am working hard to be added to the pro-Russian list. Leaving the joke aside. A late family member always used to say that I am a very good observer and can find a flaw in just about everything.

I will not post any videos or pictures about this story, I found them troubling. If you want, you can search it online or on Twitter, the videos are there, on Twitter search.


Here it is:

I started watching a video called "Ukrainian soldier calls Russian". The individual was an Azov Batallion member picking up a dead Russian soldier's phone and going through his contact information. At one point he calls the russian soldier's mom mocking her on the phone while she is on the other line crying. It is unknown if the soldier was a conscript.

The scene unsettled me. I respect soldiers and in regards to Azov, it is not the duty of Vladimir Putin to police Ukraine. That is like Turkey claiming that their minority is being oppressed in the old Ottoman empire. That does not give the right of Erdogdan or Vladimir Putin to invade a sovereign nation. The other propaganda that is going around is that they are far-right. Yah so? If Russia would invade America, are you telling me you as an American would not want Antifa, proud boys, white militia, black panthers, etc fighting to keep the country away from the Russians?. You are lying to yourself if you say no.

Back to the soldier. I was thinking for days about that piece of garbage. A soldier should fight for what he loves, he should not get consumed by what he hates, that is an extremist.

I said to myself let me search for him again.

And would you look at that? A Russian account presented a photo and an explanation that they tracked his phone. Might be fake but I highly doubt it because the person looked exactly like the guy in the video mocking the Russian mom. He was not having a good day. He was surrounded by 3 Cechens. I wonder what was going through his mind? Would he be in that position if he chose to love his country more than hate the enemy?

Please consider when grading the writing skills that I am of the engineering background, at least a D +
Soldiers are trained to hate and kill the enemy, not to indulge in emotional hand-wringing and moralising about right and wrong. In your scenario every soldier is an 'extremist'.
 
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