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RF667799 · Jul 27, 2022

tacomancer said:
The purpose behind vehicle technology is transportation.

So you assert. And indeed, the guy driving into the spectators at the parade was also engaged in transportation. Likewise, someone going 100 mph in their car and steering it into a bridge abutment, is also engaged in transportation.

Both of those actions are enabled by the "essential nature" of a motor vehicle.

Is the purpose behind a Bradley Fighting Vehicle, exclusively transportation? How about the purpose behind a go-cart? A ski boat?

I think this is where the disagreement lies. You try to exclude every purpose that is enabled by the design of an object, other than the one in your initial claim. Talk about fallacious narrowing.

Categorically, guns have more than one purpose. Some individual models do have a more narrow purpose. None are intended and designed for the purpose of murder, any more than a Ford Explorer is intended and designed for the purpose of murder.

DebateChallenge · Jul 27, 2022

Daddyo said:
Bottom line is that if our leftist debate opponents would simply spend less than 1000 dollars they could become part of the only constitutional solution we have for keeping these killers from being successful. Tired of thoughts and prayers they claim! Arm up and become an army of law abiding defenders of the innocent.

Not going to happen. Those gun phobic leftists love mass shootings. Why? Because it greatly helps their cause.

Glitch · Jul 27, 2022

BlueTex said:
Kleck has decades of experience being a bullshit artist... Not surprised the gun nuts cling to discredited "study"...

If you meant that Drs. Kleck and Gertz have decades of experience dealing with dishonorable criminal leftist filth, you would right. They are experienced criminologists after all and they know your ilk all too well.

Daddyo · Jul 30, 2022

noonereal said:
**** yeah, luck is how we get to be in our 60s after leading an irresponsible life.
I am not a tough guy. I dont try to be. Well, maybe a little what I was in my 20s, 30,s but mostly I was just stupid.
Let's see, I am blind in one eye because I was unlucky. Blind side punch at 4am strip club in times Square before its rebirth.
I have had my house 3 broken into and 2 cars robbed.
In your world I should be loaded for bear at all times. In my world, shit happens and you roll with it or you'll likely make it worse.

Gun, I was 21, my girlfriend 18. Sun had just gone down. We were driving down a one lane dirty road with fields of onions on both sides. Miles from a regular road.
Up ahead we noticed there was a car stopped which of course blocked the road.
As I came to a stop, a good ole boy, (would be a Trumpist today) appeared with a shotgun pointed at my head. The gun was no more than a foot away. He told he to get out of the car.
I did not say a word. I simply slammed the car into reverse. He did not shoot. I must have been going 40 mph in reverse with no way to turn around. His headlights facing mine . Finally at the crossroads of these one lane dirt roads I was able to swing my car to get him behind me so I did not have to drive backwards anymore. He and his buddy followed us till I turned into my grandma's farm. He did not pull into the driveway but simply turned around and left.

Next time I was in Brooklyn. The girl I was with was black. I walked her home. Her brother did not like that I was white. So he did what all folks do with guns, he used it to threaten me. As I always do, I said not a word no matter what he said. I simply walked backwards until I hit the corner.

Lucky both didn't shoot. You know that right?

Daddyo · Jul 30, 2022

dncc said:
Does your gun work 1,000+ times a day? Nope. Sorry. Keep pretending it does and soon we'll have no crime.... I mean we have a bazillion guns in the country and we have a bazillion crimes too...

The math is obvious to most of us. I'm sure it'll dawn on you someday.

My gun alone or one of the 400,000,000 in private hands?

My open carry work gun has very likely worked several times to prevent a robbery by its mere presence BUT that's not even the ones we count. 22 thousand plus crimes a day THAT ARE REPORTED in this country. Thousands likely unreported daily. Still you find it hard to believe? I've given you many examples and I am one person. Imagine 330,000,000 many who are in ghettos, wilderness, or bum **** Egypt.

Daddyo · Jul 30, 2022

FreedomFromAll said:
You should stop making canned assumptions.

What are you talking about?

Nickyjo · Jul 30, 2022

ttwtt78640 said:
What, exactly, is “proper gun regulation”?

Stuff like they have in some other rich countries that would pass muster in US courts. Somehow they have managed to have far lower rates of gun deaths. But the US learning from other countries? Heresy!

DebateChallenge · Jul 30, 2022

Nickyjo said:
Stuff like they have in some other rich countries that would pass muster in US courts. Somehow they have managed to have far lower rates of gun deaths. But the US learning from other countries? Heresy!

The US has learned from other countries. We've learned that having a national registry, as they do in the UK and Australia, would enable the government to confiscate guns as such a registry allowed the governments in the UK and Australia to confiscate guns en masse when said guns were banned.

Lethargic Aptitude · Jul 30, 2022

Daddyo said:
What are you talking about?

You assumed I was not a gun owner. And you also assumed that I was a coward and whining. I do not "task" anyone to protect myself or my family. I expect law enforcement to do their jobs, but I do not trust that they will or have the right training to act. In order to better protect I seek to even the playing field and remove some danger.

Arming everyone is not only stupid but ****ing stupid. Some people should not have weapons, (especially the ones that jump to stupid ass conclusions quickly).

Nickyjo · Jul 30, 2022

DebateChallenge said:
The US has learned from other countries. We've learned that having a national registry, as they do in the UK and Australia, would enable the government to confiscate guns as such a registry allowed the governments in the UK and Australia to confiscate guns en masse when said guns were banned.

Sounds good to me, though I would compensate the owners. Was it all guns or just certain types? Did the UK and Australia succumb to some tyranny thereafter?

Rucker61 · Jul 30, 2022

Nickyjo said:
Stuff like they have in some other rich countries that would pass muster in US courts. Somehow they have managed to have far lower rates of gun deaths. But the US learning from other countries? Heresy!

What laws in other countries would pass Constitutional muster here? All of those confiscations?

Rucker61 · Jul 30, 2022

Nickyjo said:
Sounds good to me, though I would compensate the owners. Was it all guns or just certain types? Did the UK and Australia succumb to some tyranny thereafter?

In the UK it was handguns, repeating rifles, and repeating shotguns, or what would be about 300 million guns in the US.

RF667799 · Jul 30, 2022

Nickyjo said:
Sounds good to me, though I would compensate the owners. Was it all guns or just certain types? Did the UK and Australia succumb to some tyranny thereafter?

You're asking on behalf of the peaceful, law abiding citizens who were forced to give up their legitimately obtained property at gunpoint?

Nickyjo · Jul 31, 2022

Rucker61 said:
What laws in other countries would pass Constitutional muster here? All of those confiscations?

Laws banning certain weapons held up, and they even diminished the killings while in effect.

Nickyjo · Jul 31, 2022

RF667799 said:
You're asking on behalf of the peaceful, law abiding citizens who were forced to give up their legitimately obtained property at gunpoint?

If they are compensated, who cares? Win-win: fewer weapons, fewer killings.

RF667799 · Jul 31, 2022

Nickyjo said:
If they are compensated, who cares? Win-win: fewer weapons, fewer killings.

Who cares? Perhaps the peaceful, law abiding citizens relieved of their property at gunpoint.

iguanaman · Jul 31, 2022

Daddyo said:
For years we have debated about guns. Pro gun vs anti gun members fighting back and forth. Many questions by both sides. Many accusation. From socialists to vigilante. From unconstitutionalist to fearful. In the meantime life go's on.

A young man named Elisjsha Dicken just saved a bunch of people. He didn't complain about the Uvalde response. He didn't blast the AR-15. He didn't rabidly clamor for more gun laws. No he simply took the responsibility for his own safety and decided to carry a firearm for protection. No talking just acting.

Perhaps if a few more folks took responsibility for their own safety instead of complaining or crying about guns or police, maybe more of these nut jobs can be eliminated before they kill mass numbers of innocents.

Are liberals to cowardly to protect themselves with firearms? I wouldn't think so.

Are liberals not capable of developing the skill and tactics to safely and accurately handle a firearm? I'm an instructor and this answer is they are very capable.

Do liberals just not give a shit about themselves or others? Possibly?

Are liberals unable to recognize the very real danger from evil violent criminals? Possibly?

Are liberals just lazy? Possibly?

Bottom line is that if our leftist debate opponents would simply spend less than 1000 dollars they could become part of the only constitutional solution we have for keeping these killers from being successful. Tired of thoughts and prayers they claim! Arm up and become an army of law abiding defenders of the innocent.

This kid had no training and he destroyed an AR armed opponent. On courage alone. Imagine the possibilies with training and that courage. We all can and should become part of the solution!

Daddyo · Jul 31, 2022

dncc said:
You guys got to get your fables straight.

@Glitch.... c'mon... you gonna let him lie like that? LOL.

One cited Kleck the other the CDC. Liberals hate Kleck but would eat the peanuts out of the CDC's shit. So let's go with the CDC and now you have your 1369 per day.

Now if you have evidence that your beloved cdc is wrong please feel free to share it. Until then you have been defeated in this debate.

Someone with your utter and complete ignorance on the subject calling something a fable just from those ignorant misinformed personal feelings is a joke. We are laughing at you.

Daddyo · Jul 31, 2022

dncc said:
Did you run into any shootouts on the way to work this morning? No? Neither did anyone else.

Carry on.

Did you complete your training yet? I heard that you unarmed leftists have been preparing. Police designed a couple courses just for you guys. Begging for mercy, the coward edition and A Grammy winners guide to playing dead. Both top notch I heard.

DebateChallenge · Jul 31, 2022

Nickyjo said:
Sounds good to me, though I would compensate the owners. Was it all guns or just certain types? Did the UK and Australia succumb to some tyranny thereafter?

In Australia they banned semi automatic rifles, in the UK they banned "small firearms" which were guns that had under 12 inches of barrel length and 24 inches of overall length. Owners were compensated but nothing near the full value of the guns that were turned in. The reason why everybody who had such guns turned them in is because the guns were on national registries in the UK and Australia which meant if you owned such guns and didn't turn them in the government would come after you. Here in the USA we've learned that from the UK and Australia, we've learned what happens when you have a national registry and so we've learned not to have a national registry in the USA. Its because of what happened in the UK and Australia why we don't want a national registry, so we've learned from said countries.

DebateChallenge · Jul 31, 2022

FreedomFromAll said:
I do not "task" anyone to protect myself or my family. I expect law enforcement to do their jobs, but I do not trust that they will or have the right training to act.

It is not law enforcement's job to protect you or your family, just society as a whole.

FreedomFromAll said:
Arming everyone is not only stupid but ****ing stupid. Some people should not have weapons, (especially the ones that jump to stupid ass conclusions quickly).

If by arming everyone you're talking about making it mandatory for everybody to own weapons yes I agree that's stupid. Part of having rights is also having the right to not exercise them if you choose not to.

dncc · Jul 31, 2022

Daddyo said:
One cited Kleck the other the CDC. Liberals hate Kleck but would eat the peanuts out of the CDC's shit. So let's go with the CDC and now you have your 1369 per day.

Now if you have evidence that your beloved cdc is wrong please feel free to share it. Until then you have been defeated in this debate.

Someone with your utter and complete ignorance on the subject calling something a fable just from those ignorant misinformed personal feelings is a joke. We are laughing at you.

So @Glitch is full of shit? Cool.

This is the part where you back away from your claim and eat the peanuts out of @Glitch shit.

dncc · Jul 31, 2022

Daddyo said:
Did you complete your training yet? I heard that you unarmed leftists have been preparing. Police designed a couple courses just for you guys. Begging for mercy, the coward edition and A Grammy winners guide to playing dead. Both top notch I heard.

Been on this rock for 50+ years...never needed a gun. Never will need a gun.

But then again, I don't need a prosthetic for my manhood. Others do.

Rucker61 · Jul 31, 2022

dncc said:
Been on this rock for 50+ years...never needed a gun. Never will need a gun.

But then again, I don't need a prosthetic for my manhood. Others do.

You should write the pro gun control amicus briefs for SCOTUS.

memberya2 · Jul 31, 2022

ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm… so that would be just as effective as the nationwide ban on ‘street drugs’ (aka the “war on drugs”) which has allegedly been in effect for many decades. The result is of that “ban” is that ‘street drugs’ are available 24/7/365 and support a multi-billion dollar international industry run entirely by and for criminals.

If we can ban why cant we ban guns why is that the only thing we wont restrict?

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