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Stop Exploiting LGBT Issues to Demonize Islam and Justify Anti-Muslim Policies

LowDown said:
On the other hand, that Islamists have engaged in a global war against the LBGT community is well established.



The Islamist War on Gays Comes to America ? Tablet Magazine
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Maybe. In this case, we do not know yet, but the evidence points to the perpetrator having looked at more than one target that were not LBGT. This would indicate that he wanted to kill and worried less about whom. If that turns out to have been the story, then the target becomes incidental. It could have as easily been a kindergarten or marathon.
 
Hey, crazy idea here: what if we didn't ban Guns OR Muslims?


Just, you know, a thought.....
 
TheDemSocialist said:


Read more @: Stop Exploiting LGBT Issues to Demonize Islam and Justify Anti-Muslim Policies

Another fantastic piece by Glenn Greenwald :applaud:applaudSo many people didnt even wait until basic facts were known before they wrote their anti-Muslim pieces. There are so many misconceptions, hypocrisy, and flat out dishonesty about Muslims in this country. We should not exploit this tragedy and LGBT issues to demonize Islam and use it to justify anti-Muslim policies which are generally grounded in bigotry.


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But to exploit this tragedy in order to institute more gun control is A-OK? If the gays choose to continue to embrace the murderous tenets of Islam....they're more idiotic than I thought.
 
MrT said:
I saw a DP poster say something to the effect of, "There is a difference between disgust for their perverted behavior and hatred."
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TheGoverness said:
Wow. Really?
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Yes. Somewhere in our family's photo albums, there's a picture of my sister when she was baby covered in poop. She was in a playpen and got her dirty diaper off and decided to smear it all over herself. Was what she did disgusting?? Yes. Was she disgusting? No. There is a difference between a person and the person's actions.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
And on the other hand no-one is denying that radical-Islamists are anti-LGBT....
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Yes, radical Islamists are anti-LGBT. Fundamentalist Christians are anti-LGBT. What's the difference, right?

Just they other day I saw a video of Baptists throwing gay men off the top of the Sears Tower in Chicago. Oh, wait. That was ISIS throwing gay men off the top of the Al-Fara Building in Iraq. I get confused.
 
LowDown said:
Yes, radical Islamists are anti-LGBT. Fundamentalist Christians are anti-LGBT. What's the difference, right?

Just they other day I saw a video of Baptists throwing gay men off the top of the Sears Tower in Chicago. Oh, wait. That was ISIS throwing gay men off the top of the Al-Fara Building in Iraq. I get confused.
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I can already tell the point of this thread and the article went wwwaaayyy over your head.
 
TheDemSocialist said:


Read more @: Stop Exploiting LGBT Issues to Demonize Islam and Justify Anti-Muslim Policies

Another fantastic piece by Glenn Greenwald :applaud:applaudSo many people didnt even wait until basic facts were known before they wrote their anti-Muslim pieces. There are so many misconceptions, hypocrisy, and flat out dishonesty about Muslims in this country. We should not exploit this tragedy and LGBT issues to demonize Islam and use it to justify anti-Muslim policies which are generally grounded in bigotry.


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If they followed that advice, they might win more elections, so I'm not sure advising them to stop is such a good idea.
 
TheDemSocialist said:


Read more @: Stop Exploiting LGBT Issues to Demonize Islam and Justify Anti-Muslim Policies

Another fantastic piece by Glenn Greenwald :applaud:applaudSo many people didnt even wait until basic facts were known before they wrote their anti-Muslim pieces. There are so many misconceptions, hypocrisy, and flat out dishonesty about Muslims in this country. We should not exploit this tragedy and LGBT issues to demonize Islam and use it to justify anti-Muslim policies which are generally grounded in bigotry.


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What a stupid generalization. Islam and Christianity have equal hatred of homosexuals? Well, there are ten countries where homosexuality is punishable by death. How many do you think are Christian?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ere-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/

This pathetic excuse that Christianity treats homosexuality as a sin so we can persecute them with impunity has got to stop. Christians think everyone sins. They don't think it is just homosexuals. That isn't a thing. And I was truly offended by the coverage of Orlando. It wasn't just the LGBT community that was affected. We are all affected. Everyone cares. 50 people died for no good reason and people like Hillary Clinton and all the talking heads in the news act as if the only people that are impacted are LGBT. Maybe Clinton and the talking heads aren't affected because they don't actually care about people or this country, but the rest of us do.
 
ksu_aviator said:
What a stupid generalization. Islam and Christianity have equal hatred of homosexuals? Well, there are ten countries where homosexuality is punishable by death. How many do you think are Christian?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ere-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/

This pathetic excuse that Christianity treats homosexuality as a sin so we can persecute them with impunity has got to stop. Christians think everyone sins. They don't think it is just homosexuals. That isn't a thing. And I was truly offended by the coverage of Orlando. It wasn't just the LGBT community that was affected. We are all affected. Everyone cares. 50 people died for no good reason and people like Hillary Clinton and all the talking heads in the news act as if the only people that are impacted are LGBT. Maybe Clinton and the talking heads aren't affected because they don't actually care about people or this country, but the rest of us do.
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The point went over your head as well. From the article in the OP:
"None of this is to deny in the slightest that deeply anti-LGBT attitudes are pervasive in parts of the Muslim world: In most countries (though not all) acceptance is in the single digits. But that’s also true of equally poor parts of the Christian world, where only tiny parts of the population of largely Christian countries such as Ghana, Uganda, and Kenya believe society should accept homosexuality. In other countries that are not predominantly Muslim — China, Russia, Nigeria, El Salvador, Israel — pluralities similarly oppose the societal acceptance of homosexuality... It’s also true that parts of Islamic doctrine contain all sorts of horrible views on LGBTs, women, and other issues
 
TheDemSocialist said:
The point went over your head as well. From the article in the OP:
"None of this is to deny in the slightest that deeply anti-LGBT attitudes are pervasive in parts of the Muslim world: In most countries (though not all) acceptance is in the single digits. But that’s also true of equally poor parts of the Christian world, where only tiny parts of the population of largely Christian countries such as Ghana, Uganda, and Kenya believe society should accept homosexuality. In other countries that are not predominantly Muslim — China, Russia, Nigeria, El Salvador, Israel — pluralities similarly oppose the societal acceptance of homosexuality... It’s also true that parts of Islamic doctrine contain all sorts of horrible views on LGBTs, women, and other issues
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No, my poor ignorant socialist, it went over your head. There is no acceptance of sin in Christianity. There is acceptance of sinners, though.

Plus, those countries you listed; Russia, China and Israel are not Christian nations. Crawl back in your hole and quit trying to equate Christianity to radical Islam. Your religious intolerance isn't welcome.
 
ksu_aviator said:
No, my poor ignorant socialist, it went over your head. There is no acceptance of sin in Christianity. There is acceptance of sinners, though.

Plus, those countries you listed; Russia, China and Israel are not Christian nations. Crawl back in your hole and quit trying to equate Christianity to radical Islam. Your religious intolerance isn't welcome.
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Oh boy now we are getting to semantics. If you are not a strictly labeled Christian nation then you cant poll attitudes of those populations :roll:
 
ksu_aviator said:
What a stupid generalization. Islam and Christianity have equal hatred of homosexuals? Well, there are ten countries where homosexuality is punishable by death. How many do you think are Christian?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ere-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/

This pathetic excuse that Christianity treats homosexuality as a sin so we can persecute them with impunity has got to stop. Christians think everyone sins. They don't think it is just homosexuals. That isn't a thing. And I was truly offended by the coverage of Orlando. It wasn't just the LGBT community that was affected. We are all affected. Everyone cares. 50 people died for no good reason and people like Hillary Clinton and all the talking heads in the news act as if the only people that are impacted are LGBT. Maybe Clinton and the talking heads aren't affected because they don't actually care about people or this country, but the rest of us do.
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Looks like Trump doesn't actually care about people in this country, either:

Trump Casts Himself as Gay-Rights Champion After Orlando Shooting

“Thank you to the LGBT community!” Mr. Trump posted on Twitter on Tuesday, two days after the worst mass shooting in U.S. history, referring to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals. “I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs.”

In an interview Tuesday on Fox News, Mr. Trump referred to Islamic State fighters throwing men they think are gay off tall buildings. “I’m much better for gays,” Mr. Trump said, comparing himself with Mrs. Clinton.​

Trump Casts Himself as Gay-Rights Champion After Orlando Shooting

Tough break.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Oh boy now we are getting to semantics. If you are not a strictly labeled Christian nation then you cant poll attitudes of those populations :roll:
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He is ignorant about Russia.
 
BitterPill said:
He is ignorant about Russia.
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He (Glenn Greenwald, the author of the article in the OP)also never called them (Russia, China, etc) "Christian nations" as being a christian theocracy... He was talking about their population of those countries who are Christian.
"Both China and Russia are overwhelmingly non-religious and also vehemently anti-gay; to the extent Russians are religious, they are loyal to the Orthodox Christian Church... But that’s also true of equally poor parts of the Christian world, where only tiny parts of the population of largely Christian countries such as Ghana, Uganda, and Kenya believe society should accept homosexuality. In other countries that are not predominantly Muslim — China, Russia, Nigeria, El Salvador, Israel — pluralities similarly oppose the societal acceptance of homosexuality"
 
TheDemSocialist said:
He (Glenn Greenwald, the author of the article in the OP)also never called them (Russia, China, etc) "Christian nations" as being a christian theocracy... He was talking about their population of those countries who are Christian.
"Both China and Russia are overwhelmingly non-religious and also vehemently anti-gay; to the extent Russians are religious, they are loyal to the Orthodox Christian Church... But that’s also true of equally poor parts of the Christian world, where only tiny parts of the population of largely Christian countries such as Ghana, Uganda, and Kenya believe society should accept homosexuality. In other countries that are not predominantly Muslim — China, Russia, Nigeria, El Salvador, Israel — pluralities similarly oppose the societal acceptance of homosexuality"
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Putin seems to think Russia is Christian:

Putin leads Russia in Orthodox Christmas celebrations

While the rest of the world is recovering from seasonal excess, Orthodox Christians are only getting started​

and in this rare instance I agree.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/07/putin-leads-russia-in-orthodox-christmas-celebrations
 
I don't like Trump. Never have. But you mischaracterized what he said. He said he felt for them. Hillary and the talking heads talked as if the LGBT community is the only group affected. That was my lament.


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Jetboogieman said:
I gotta say there were a couple of head turners there, people who've called gays disgusting suddenly coming out of the woodwork to use this to say...

"Yah see! We have to discriminate against Muslims, think of the Gays! Won't someone thinks of the gays!"
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yeah notably the entire republican party
 
soot said:
From the article:



A fair and reasonable enough request.

But it still doesn't change the fact that Omar Mateen was a radical, fundamentalist Muslim and his attack on the Orlando nightclub Pulse was an act of Islamist terrorism.
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it doesn't change the fact the attempted attacker in LA was not

tell me this, if he was christian instead as the vast majority of gay bashers in this country are, do you think trump would use this tragedy to vow he will keep christians out of the country?

anyone who is gay knows who hates them, and unless you live in a muslim area like dearborn, it's the old christian lady on the bus saying "well they deserved it"
 
LowDown said:
Yes, radical Islamists are anti-LGBT. Fundamentalist Christians are anti-LGBT. What's the difference, right?

Just they other day I saw a video of Baptists throwing gay men off the top of the Sears Tower in Chicago. Oh, wait. That was ISIS throwing gay men off the top of the Al-Fara Building in Iraq. I get confused.
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that's because iraq is a ****hole where they can get away with it. If america was like that, you better believe baptists would've been doing this all along. Do you think there were never very strict sodomy laws, often targeted at homosexuals only, in this country?
 
longview said:
The OP made the statement,

Perhaps the question in the poll should have been expanded to places that practice sharia law.
While many countries legal systems are founded on judeo-christian values, they separate
many of the moral questions.
Within sharia countries the religion is the law, and many execute homosexuals.
The OP can point out radical individuals in other faiths who may attacked homosexuals, but
within some Islamic countries, the death penalty for homosexuality is codified in law.
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as it was in christian countries not too long ago, and actually still is in parts of africa
 
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