Stone indicted

[Athanasius68]

So here is yet somebody else indicted for perjury ie. process crimes by Mueller. He will join the long list of people who will 'have the good's' on Trump, and who never quite seem to do.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/politics/roger-stone-arrested/index.html

 

[PoS]

To be fair though, there's still no smoking gun that could get Trump into trouble.

 

[RAMOSS]

To be fair though, there's still no smoking gun that could get Trump into trouble.

That the public knows about.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

To be fair though, there's still no smoking gun that could get Trump into trouble.

My opinion is that mueller is building a bigger case with bigger charges (conspiracy) and this first indictment against stone is to get him to cooperate.


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[j-mac]

That the public knows about.

All these indictments, and NO COLLUSION! I think it's fair to say that Muller the traffic cop is 1. Wrapping up, and 2. Is a political hack using his Democrat team to hamper and damage this Presidency. Black eye on America.

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[RAMOSS]

All these indictments, and NO COLLUSION! I think it's fair to say that Muller the traffic cop is 1. Wrapping up, and 2. Is a political hack using his Democrat team to hamper and damage this Presidency. Black eye on America.

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There is something a bit more specific than 'collusion'. It actually is a type of collusion, but remember that Manafort was convicted , via trial, for conspiracy against the United States. Conspiracy is the criminal version of 'Collusion'.

 

[Xelor]

Document: Indictment of Roger Stone

Hopefully folks who have something to say about the charges will read the document before making their remarks.

What makes Stone's indictment and arrest a big deal? He's the link between the Trump campaign and Wikileaks. Another piece of the puzzle is laid.

The indictment indicates Stone was bid to keep the Trump campaign apprised of upcoming Wikileaks "drops."
-- Who in the campaign bid him so, literally and by way of delegation?
-- Who in the campaign knew about that bidding?

 

[Greenbeard]

 

[CaughtInThe]

Man. Mueller is one of the best investigators that I've ever seen. Dude is extremely thorough.

Trump and his team probably don't realize they're going down yet. That makes it a bit more satisfying.

 

[Xelor]

On page nine of the indictment there's an entreaty to switch to a secure line to continue a conversation.

WTH? What private citizens who have no government role needs, has or uses a secure line? Do you have a secure line? I don't. I haven't ever needed one.

You know why? Because I don't do things that are illegal!!! Because to discuss the most confidential matters that pertained to myself, my family, my firm and my clients, simply closing the door to my office is more than enough security. I haven't ever had anything to discuss that warranted my having to say it not only behind a closed door, but also on a secure telephone line.

 

[trouble13]

All these indictments, and NO COLLUSION! I think it's fair to say that Muller the traffic cop is 1. Wrapping up, and 2. Is a political hack using his Democrat team to hamper and damage this Presidency. Black eye on America.

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I dont see any evidence that Muller is anywhere near wrapping up. I suspect this will continue for at least another 6-12 months and possibly longer.

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[NeverTrump]

So here is yet somebody else indicted for perjury ie. process crimes by Mueller. He will join the long list of people who will 'have the good's' on Trump, and who never quite seem to do.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/politics/roger-stone-arrested/index.html

Justice: served for breakfast!! Thanks Mueller.


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[NeverTrump]

On page nine of the indictment there's an entreaty to switch to a secure line to continue a conversation.

WTH? What private citizens who have no government role needs, has or uses a secure line? Do you have a secure line? I don't. I haven't ever needed one.

You know why? Because I don't do things that are illegal!!! Because to discuss the most confidential matters that pertained to myself, my family, my firm and my clients, simply closing the door to my office is more than enough security. I haven't ever had anything to discuss that warranted my having to say it not only behind a closed door, but also on a secure telephone line.

So was he taking to trump or his Russian handlers? Oh wait is there really a difference at this point?


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[Xelor]

To be fair though, there's still no smoking gun that could get Trump into trouble.

The nature of criminal behavior at hand in the Russia investigation is conspiracy to commit.... and, after the fact of any conspiracy, obstruction of justice. There isn't likely to be a "smoking gun;" however, if the actors involved are really, really, really stupid, they could be.

FWIW, though I think the actors involved are stupid, even I don't think they're that stupid. I mean, really. People don't send emails and notes saying things akin to "let's conspire to violate section XYZ of the criminal code."

 

[PoliSciXtina]

I dont see any evidence that Muller is anywhere near wrapping up. I suspect this will continue for at least another 6-12 months and possibly longer.

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Agreed


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[j-mac]

There is something a bit more specific than 'collusion'. It actually is a type of collusion, but remember that Manafort was convicted , via trial, for conspiracy against the United States. Conspiracy is the criminal version of 'Collusion'.

Ok, and what crimes that Manafort is now convicted of, had to do with "Conspiracy against the United States"?

"Manafort was found guilty on eight counts (covering filing false tax returns, bank fraud, and failing to disclose a foreign bank account), but a mistrial was declared on the remaining ten counts due to a single juror harboring reasonable doubts.[9]

In a retrial of the remaining counts, Manafort pleaded guilty on two counts (conspiracy to defraud the United States and witness tampering).[10][11][12] He further admitted to the remaining charges against him, agreed to forfeit several properties and accounts, and agreed to full cooperation with the prosecution.[13][14]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort

Manafort, was essentially convicted of tax evasion, and witness tampering....NOTHING to do with the election of 2016...To throw out the phrase "Conspiracy against the United States" is a phrase assigned to every prosecution undertaken by the Federal Government....You know that, but to attempt to paint it as though any of that had to do with Trump, or the election is false.

 

[j-mac]

I dont see any evidence that Muller is anywhere near wrapping up. I suspect this will continue for at least another 6-12 months and possibly longer.

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Possibly, maybe not...This is clearly no longer an investigation to get to the truth of what happened in the election of 2016, and is more about hampering this Presidency, and politically going after, and if possible, removing a duly elected President of the United States...It is a coup.

 

[Xelor]

So was he taking to trump or his Russian handlers? Oh wait is there really a difference at this point?

Read the document. The nature of the conversation does not suggest to me that "Russian handler" is a function fulfilled by the person with whom Stone was conversing in the "page 9" conversation to which I referred. That's not say that person wasn't, but rather that the content to which I referred doesn't adequately support the assertion the individual was a Russian handler assigned to Stone.

 

[Crosscheck]

Possibly, maybe not...This is clearly no longer an investigation to get to the truth of what happened in the election of 2016, and is more about hampering this Presidency, and politically going after, and if possible, removing a duly elected President of the United States...It is a coup.

I think the term you were looking for is Draining The Swamp.

 

[j-mac]

Justice: served for breakfast!! Thanks Mueller.


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I'd like to see the cheerleaders of the coup undergo the scrutiny of a Federal investigation by a group of FBI political hacks bent to get them on anything, and see what you would think when that team indicts YOU for lying because you didn't answer a question exactly the way they wanted you to....I think you'd have a different take on "Justice"....

This isn't about Justice at all....Never has been.

 

[j-mac]

I think the term you were looking for is Draining The Swamp.

:roll: Yeah, we get it...You're triggered by Trump being President...And are cheering on a political coup to remove him.

Good job patriot...smh

 

[Xelor]

Another thing the indictment document shows us is that communications between Stone, Wikileaks and the Trump campaign entailed a bunch of intermediaries. I guess that's to be expected as it would be quite untoward for Wikileaks folks, Russian information gatherers, etc. to just call Trump on the phone.

 

[apdst]

"Seeking stolen emails" isn't a crime. It's literally protected by the 1st Amendment.

 

[j-mac]

This indictment smacks of doing the bidding directly of Hillary Clinton, and her acolytes....

 

[Somerville]

Early this morning, Roger Stone was arrested. If these new charges against were no biggie, then why was the man taken into custody?

Roger Stone, arrested in Fort Lauderdale,

Roger Stone, a longtime associate of President Donald Trump, was arrested by the FBI in Fort Lauderdale on Friday in a dramatic, predawn raid.

Stone, one of South Florida’s most politically notorious residents had long predicted that he might be indicted as the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential campaign moved closer and closer to him during 2018.

Stone is scheduled to have a hearing in federal court in Fort Lauderdale later Friday morning.