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Still unvaccinated? Then YOU should wear a mask, not me

Binary_Digit

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Regular masks don't protect the person who wears them, they protect others from the person who wears them.

Vaccinations don't prevent the person from getting infected, they prevent the infection from getting serious.

So why should vaccinated people have to wear masks at this point? The only logical reason I can see is to protect the unvaccinated from their own stubbornness, ignorance, and stupidity. And I'm sick and tired of jumping through hoops for these people. If they want to take their chances, then they should be the ones wearing N-95 masks instead of expecting the rest of us to protect them from their own choices. Of course, people with medical conditions are not being ignorant and stupid, but they too should wear N-95 masks for their own protection instead of relying on others who are vaccinated to wear masks around them.

How am I wrong?
 

Eh you're not wrong but everybody should wear masks. I have a compromised immune system, so I'm vaccinated but I have no idea what level of immunity I have. I have a friend who went to thanksgiving with their family. Everybody was vaccinated. The story gets pretty sad from there. People have their little trust bubbles. One bubble bursts and all hell breaks loose. So I wear a mask any time I'm having very close contact, even with friends I trust. If I'm not wearing a mask I just make sure to keep a distance.

I do it because I'm the only one who can control my own health. I agree that a lot of people are stubborn, ignorant, and stupid. Live like you drive. Without fear, but always with caution. And apparently don't make fun of uber drivers who listen to anti-vaxxers on conservative radio because it will ruin your 5 star passenger rating.
 
This is pretty close to how I feel. Those who refuse to vaccinate should primarily be the ones wearing a mask to protect others from their stupidity.
 

You're wrong because the N95 masks I use for work are valved, meaning they don't filter the air that the user exhales.
 
Masks work if everyone wears one. What needs to happen is the anti maskers shouldn't be allowed to thwart mask regulations during a pandemic. It's a temp measure, I believe they can handle short term loss of freedom to be rude. It's not going to last forever.

Unfortunately we have state leaders disregarding, and even shitting on these efforts. They should be held accountable.

So I agree, they should wear a mask too but if we all do then we save lives, ours and there's until this pandemic ends. Which hopefully should be in the spring of 2022 according to most experts.
 
aociswundumho said:
You're wrong because the N95 masks I use for work are valved, meaning they don't filter the air that the user exhales.
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It's true that N-95s protect the person who wears them, not others. And that's the whole point. The unvaccinated should wear N-95s to protect themselves. Others who are vaccinated don't need the protection.

Compare that to now, where vaccinated people have to wear regular masks to protect the unvaccinated around them. That's the polar opposite of what actually makes sense.

The unvaccinated should take responsibility for their own choices and either wear N-95 masks or suck it up and embrace the consequences. Either way, vaccinated people having to wear masks to protect unvaccinated people is just nonsense at this point.
 

Ok then, I misunderstood what you were saying.
 
I believe that anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers are directly responsible for this thing being almost two years old now.

In a perfect world, everyone would have worn masks until there was a vaccination, and then everyone would have gotten the vaccination and this stupid thing would be in the history books already.

Instead, we had selfish people who viewed wearing masks as an infringement on their personal liberties, and skeptical people waiting on the sidelines until the side effects of the vaccination were better known.

At this point, I don't think very many people are going to change their minds and suddenly mask up or get vaccinated. The rest of us should move on with our lives and let them protect themselves or deal with the consequences.
 
aociswundumho said:
You're wrong because the N95 masks I use for work are valved, meaning they don't filter the air that the user exhales.
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Hilarious. They have others without valves that you can wear when you are not at work. That was feeble at best.
 
The whole purpose of them not wearing a mask is to say **** you to others. We are sheep if we wear a mask, they are showing their independence by not wearing one. Never mind that mostly unvaccinated people are the ones dying en masse.
 
bongsaway said:
The whole purpose of them not wearing a mask is to say **** you to others. We are sheep if we wear a mask, they are showing their independence by not wearing one. Never mind that mostly unvaccinated people are the ones dying en masse.
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Whatever their reasons are, legitimate or not, it's their problem, not ours.
 
I wear a mask on the job not only because I am required to, but also because the general public is something like 47% stupid, and my job means that most of the people I run into are at the bottom of that 47%.

Vaccines + mask + commonsense distancing + washing my hands all the time = I haven't had this shit yet, and I know for certain that I have been exposed at least 5 times to someone with active covid.
 
Because there are still innocents out there who legitimately cannot take the vaccine.

Because the vaccine is not 100% effective. And because as you say, masks protect others from the wearer - they don't protect the wearer.
 
Lycanthrope said:
Because there are still innocents out there who legitimately cannot take the vaccine.
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Then they should wear N-95 masks to protect themselves.
Lycanthrope said:
Because the vaccine is not 100% effective.
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It doesn't protect you from getting infected, but it does protect you from getting seriously ill.
Lycanthrope said:
And because as you say, masks protect others from the wearer - they don't protect the wearer.
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Cheap masks that you can buy at gas stations don't protect the wearer, but N-95 masks do. That's why I've been mentioning them specifically.
 
How are you wrong? Let me count the ways.

1: Does the vaccine work or not? If the answer is yes why do you cars about the unvaccinated!

2: Do you know the vaccinated also can spread the covid virus?
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
How are you wrong? Let me count the ways.

1: Does the vaccine work or not? If the answer is yes why do you cars about the unvaccinated!

2: Do you know the vaccinated also can spread the covid virus?
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I guess you've heard of 'breakthrough' infection. That's why even the vaccinated should wear masks. We aren't robots; we're all different in physiology, chemistry and levels of immunity. The whole point of wearing masks is mitigation. Look it up.
 
snakestretcher said:
I guess you've heard of 'breakthrough' infection. That's why even the vaccinated should wear masks. We aren't robots; we're all different in physiology, chemistry and levels of immunity. The whole point of wearing masks is mitigation. Look it up.
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So you too disagree with the OP.
 
Binary_Digit said:
Regular masks don't protect the person who wears them, they protect others from the person who wears them.
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Mostly, though there probably is a bit of benefit both ways.

Binary_Digit said:
So why should vaccinated people have to wear masks at this point?
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Because, as you said, vaccination doesn't prevent a person from being infected and they only reduce the risk of an infection being more serious.

The other aspect is that some people who are unvaccinated aren't doing so out of their own choice.

Binary_Digit said:
The only logical reason I can see is to protect the unvaccinated from their own stubbornness, ignorance, and stupidity.
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I'm not sure it's in your best interest to argue for people to be punished for being stubborn, ignorant or stupid.
 
Binary_Digit said:
Others who are vaccinated don't need the protection.
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And that's where you are wrong.

One good analogy I heard is that vaccines are like umbrellas. They are very good in a rain at keeping you dry, but they won't do as well in a storm.

If you live in high transmission area (2,500 counties are today) and/or encounter a lot of unvaccinated (40% are not fully vaccinate at this point, and even among 60% their own protection wanes without boosters), it's best to add a mask indoors, esp in poorly ventilated areas (it does help a little for the wearer too).

Binary_Digit said:
Compare that to now, where vaccinated people have to wear regular masks to protect the unvaccinated around them. That's the polar opposite of what actually makes sense.
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Protecting unvaccinated indirectly protects other vaccinated ones too (unvaccinated spread virus for longer period of time and more).

Protecting unvaccinated helps lessen hospital burdens too.

Binary_Digit said:
The unvaccinated should take responsibility for their own choices and either wear N-95 masks or suck it up and embrace the consequences.
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Yes.
 
Binary_Digit said:
It's true that N-95s protect the person who wears them, not others. And that's the whole point. The unvaccinated should wear N-95s to protect themselves. Others who are vaccinated don't need the protection.
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I believe the unvaccinated have been willing to accept the consequences from the beginning. For some reason people keep insisting that they shouldn't accept the responsibility and do measures for everyone else who is vaccinated even though the vaccinated don't really need the protection. This is getting confusing.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
How are you wrong? Let me count the ways.

1: Does the vaccine work or not? If the answer is yes why do you cars about the unvaccinated!
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It works in so far as it significantly reduces the seriousness of the condition. I don't care that much about the unvaccinated, per se, I care that after two years I still have to put on a mask to go to work, or to visit over half of the businesses out there.
Chainsawmassacre said:
2: Do you know the vaccinated also can spread the covid virus?
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Yes, and if you're vaccinated and spread it to another vaccinated person then it's not serious enough to worry about is it?
 
Since it significantly reduces the seriousness of the condition, vaccinated people don't need to protect themselves with masks.

Some people are still unvaccinated, and I should not have to wear a mask because of it. That was their choice, so it's their responsibility.
HonestJoe said:
I'm not sure it's in your best interest to argue for people to be punished for being stubborn, ignorant or stupid.
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I'm not calling for anyone to be punished. I'm calling for the mask policies for vaccinated people to end, and for the mask wearing responsibilities to fall on the unvaccinated because they're the ones who need protection and it was their choice.
 
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