Still Supporting Maduro: China, Iran, Russia, Cuba, etc., the Democratic Socialists, several DEMS

[Fenton]

* Sigh * Why does everything have to be about Trump ?

Both Macron and Theresa May have recently echoed Trump's sentiments and have thrown their support behind Guaido

And there are ways other than military invasion to continue to put pressure on Maduro and the Venezuelan Govt.

Like the Bank of England refusing to turn over 1.4 billion dollars in Venezuelan Gold until Maduro steps down.

https://www.rt.com/news/449833-venezuela-gold-bank-england/m

So you've got a humanitarian crisis of epic proportions, but since Trump publicly backed Guaido we should pretend it's not happening ? Or pretend we're powerless to do anything about it ?

FFS, Obama took about Gaddafi and the Media and the Democrats didn't say **** about it. It was a humanitarian crisis and that was good enough for them
Trump supports Guaido and he's a idiot and needs to stay out of other Countries affairs, unbelievable

 

[jnug]

* Sigh * Why does everything have to be about Trump ?

Both Macron and Theresa May have recently echoed Trump's sentiments and have thrown their support behind Guaido

And there are ways other than military invasion to continue to put pressure on Maduro and the Venezuelan Govt.

Like the Bank of England refusing to turn over 1.4 billion dollars in Venezuelan Gold until Maduro steps down.

https://www.rt.com/news/449833-venezuela-gold-bank-england/m

So you've got a humanitarian crisis of epic proportions, but since Trump publicly backed Guaido we should pretend it's not happening ? Or pretend we're powerless to do anything about it ?

FFS, Obama took about Gaddafi and the Media and the Democrats didn't say **** about it. It was a humanitarian crisis and that was good enough for them
Trump supports Guaido and he's a idiot and needs to stay out of other Countries affairs, unbelievable

Hey its not my fault that Trump immediately recognized Guaido. Again, what the frigg are we doing down there? Doing this wrong is worse than doing it AT ALL!

For the record "supporting" somebody is not the same thing as "recognizing" somebody when you are actually not prepared to back that recognition. If anything we are likely to get Guaido killed at this point thanks to DonDon and his premature ejaculating BIG MOUTH!

Somebody would need to explain to me how Guaido getting killed would further the cause of freedom in Venezuela.

 

[Fenton]

Hey its not my fault that Trump immediately recognized Guaido. Again, what the frigg are we doing down there? Doing this wrong is worse than doing it AT ALL!

For the record "supporting" somebody is not the same thing as "recognizing" somebody when you are actually not prepared to back that recognition. If anything we are likely to get Guaido killed at this point thanks to DonDon and his premature ejaculating BIG MOUTH!

Somebody would need to explain to me how Guaido getting killed would further the cause of freedom in Venezuela.

. EU gives Maduro a 8 day ultimatum.....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...ela-maduro-day-ultimatum-190126115807947.html

UK Backs Gaiudo.. .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...ela-maduro-day-ultimatum-190126115807947.html

AGAIN, it's not about Trump. Both the EU and the UK have not only thrown their support behind Guaido, but have issued ultimatums and denied Maduro access to 1.4 billion dollars in Gold

The only US Politican that I know of that's supporting Maduro is Ilhan Omar, which shouldn't be a shock to anyone.

Trump's " big mouth " and premature support of Gaido has led to a growing consensus among our NATO partners and allies and growing pressure to force Maduro out of office.
Sounds like he knew what he was doing all along

 

[jnug]

. EU gives Maduro a 8 day ultimatum.....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...ela-maduro-day-ultimatum-190126115807947.html

UK Backs Gaiudo.. .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...ela-maduro-day-ultimatum-190126115807947.html

AGAIN, it's not about Trump. Both the EU and the UK have not only thrown their support behind Guaido, but have issued ultimatums and denied Maduro access to 1.4 billion dollars in Gold

The only US Politican that I know of that's supporting Maduro is Ilhan Omar, which shouldn't be a shock to anyone.

Trump's " big mouth " and premature support of Gaido has led to a growing consensus among our NATO partners and allies and growing pressure to force Maduro out of office.
Sounds like he knew what he was doing all along

No he doesn't. If free elections are not called in 8 days, 5 additional countries recognize Gauido. Boy that is threatening to the guy that still controls the Military, the government, the means of taxation and can imprison whomever he wants.

Tell me how this makes sense. We recognize Gauido immediately though he does not have the levers of power in Venezuela and two days later we are in the UN calling for Free elections. Do you think it would make sense to have thought about "recognizing" a new President and then calling for free elections two days later? How does that make any sense AT ALL!

Either we were not engaged in a covert operation to depose Maduro and had no earthly idea what was happening on the ground in Venezuela including no idea who had actual control of the Military or we were engaged in a covert operation that would be stunning for its incompetence. Take your pick.

Immediately recognizing the guy you are supporting when he controls none of the levels of power is flat out stupid if we knew the circumstances on the ground or stunningly ignorant if we did not know the circumstances on the ground. There was literally no benefit to pushing recognizing Gauido immediately. Who cares who piles on after us. We should have waited, recognizing Gauido when he had more than his yoo-yoo in his hands. All we have done to this point is put a big fat target on Gauido's back.

If we do have a covert op running down there then it is poorly run as Gauido is in no position to declare himself yet OBVIOUSLY. If we don't have a covert op running down there then we should have shut up and tried to learn something before recognizing Gauido.

Enter Bay of Pigs II if we are not careful now having jumped the gun.

 

[Grokmaster]

;

Just looked it up and Wow ! Corrupt ****ers !

So Venezuelan politicans and the well connected set up shell companies posing as importers wanting to do business with Venezuela

This allowed them to tap into the Venezuelan currency exchange and buy heavily subsidized dollars at an exchange rate of 12 Bolivars for one US dollar.

They would then sell the dollars on the open market at a exchange rate of 172 Bolivars per dollar earning a 14-1 profit. Venezuelan politicans and their buddies were essentially looting the Venezuelan Treasury

And this was happening while the Venezuelan people were struggling to survive.

Same old story:

 

[Grokmaster]

The Bolivar also suffered from something that took me awhile to understand, I literally couldn't wrap my head around how idiotic this was:

https://www.ft.com/content/25055a2a-6332-11e7-91a7-502f7ee26895

More leftfoolishness.

 

[Grokmaster]

Hey its not my fault that Trump immediately recognized Guaido. Again, what the frigg are we doing down there? Doing this wrong is worse than doing it AT ALL!

For the record "supporting" somebody is not the same thing as "recognizing" somebody when you are actually not prepared to back that recognition. If anything we are likely to get Guaido killed at this point thanks to DonDon and his premature ejaculating BIG MOUTH!

Somebody would need to explain to me how Guaido getting killed would further the cause of freedom in Venezuela.

Gauido is clearly not afraid, and it isn't ONLY TRUMP recognizing him as the legit leader of Venezuela, either.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

At least one Democrat, though she likely agrees with everything Maduro has done, is still trying to figure out whether she supports him or not.



AOC should have kept her mouth shut. Instead she responded with this:



Meanwhile, the people of Venezuela are eating scraps out of garbage cans thanks to Maduro.

Yep, just as I thought, you can't point to one concrete instance of a Democrat supporting Maduro. She literally said "The humanitarian crisis is concerning, but so is using non-Democratic means to determine leadership".

You may be of the opinion that it's the US's job to control everyone else's politics, to topple governments and install our own puppets, but the people that oppose those tactics are not Maduro supporters.

Pathetic and try again. Show me a direct quote of a Dem supporting Maduro.

 

[Sweden]

Works for me. Guaido is easily the closest thing to a democratically elected representative of the Venezuelan people.

Why the Democratic Socialists of America. and the democrats in Congress I cited, do not support his move, is a mystery.


I'd to see ownership of ALL NATIONALIZED PRIVATE INDUSTRIES handed back to their rightful owners, as well, especially those that the Chinese, Russians, and Cubans think they get to pirate.

No mystery. The left, including the US left, will never bring themselves to condemn any despot who is sufficiently anti-American.

 

[Grokmaster]

No mystery. The left, including the US left, will never bring themselves to condemn any despot who is sufficiently anti-American.

If history is any proof, anyway....

 

[RabidAlpaca]

No mystery. The left, including the US left, will never bring themselves to condemn any despot who is sufficiently anti-American.

If history is any proof, anyway....

This is kind of hilarious considering you can't provide any quotes of Democrats praising Maduro but we've had to watch Trump constantly praise and compliment various dictators including Kim, Duterte, Putin and MBS.

Why the dictator fandom in the GOP?

 

[jnug]

Gauido is clearly not afraid, and it isn't ONLY TRUMP recognizing him as the legit leader of Venezuela, either.

Whether Guaido is fearful or not is meaningless. There is as usual something amiss in trumpworld AGAIN as this is clearly a screwup. Now its possible that this Administration of idiots can continue to screw this up tripping over their yoo-yoos the whole way AND for it to still work out in the end. But life is usually not that forgiving.

Just the fact that we are calling for free elections to occur only eight days from having recognized another man President more than suggests we screwed up AND know it. It would be in form for this clown show of an administration. Trump is addicted to announcing stuff. Its about all this bunch does. It announces stuff. So recognizing Giuaido prematurely and without having any earthly idea what they were doing should not come as a surprise.

 

[uptower]

No mystery. The left, including the US left, will never bring themselves to condemn any despot who is sufficiently anti-American.

Like Putin?

 

[Mycroft]

Yep, just as I thought, you can't point to one concrete instance of a Democrat supporting Maduro. She literally said "The humanitarian crisis is concerning, but so is using non-Democratic means to determine leadership".

I never said I was pointing to a Democrat supporting Maduro. Sorry, no cigar for you.

You may be of the opinion that it's the US's job to control everyone else's politics, to topple governments and install our own puppets, but the people that oppose those tactics are not Maduro supporters.

What on earth makes you think that's my opinion? And who in the US is trying to control some else's politics, topple a government or install our own puppets? Sounds to me like you...as well as AOC...are just making **** up so you can complain about nothing.

Pathetic and try again. Show me a direct quote of a Dem supporting Maduro.

I never tried, so there's no reason to "try again".

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I never said I was pointing to a Democrat supporting Maduro. Sorry, no cigar for you.
What on earth makes you think that's my opinion? And who in the US is trying to control some else's politics, topple a government or install our own puppets? Sounds to me like you...as well as AOC...are just making **** up so you can complain about nothing.
I never tried, so there's no reason to "try again".

That's literally the topic of the thread, democrats allegedly supporting Maduro, and you were specifically name dropping democrats. What the **** else kind of conclusion am I supposed to draw from that?

So you agree with me that it's a dumbass OP and no democrat supports Maduro, especially for simply opposing US led regime change around the world?

 

[rocket88]

Yeah...the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD WAS KNOWN FOR "FAIR,, DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS"...which is why the Egyptian people had to OVERTHROW THEIR DESPOTIC ASSES after Obama handed them the country ..and $1.5 billion.

Ever wonder why the OBAMIDIOT NEVER VISITS EGYPT?


Duh….

So the military in Egypt is known for free and fair elections?