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Steve Bannon's troubles are just beginning

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Steve Bannon's troubles are just beginning

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8/20/20
Thursday's federal indictment of Steve Bannon, former campaign adviser to President Donald Trump, is very bad news for Bannon -- and potentially for many others. From Bannon's perspective, it's one thing to defend a case that turns on subtle issues of subjective intent, or that rest on testimony from other co-conspirators. But it's much harder to defend a case based on black-and-white financial documents. A good defense lawyer can cross-examine a witness and try to take apart his story -- but it's much harder to argue with phony invoices and forged receipts. The outlook for Bannon is bleak. He can go to trial, of course, but the vast majority of federal trials result in conviction. He can plead guilty and hope for a slightly lower sentence than if he is convicted by a jury. Largely because of the amount of the alleged] fraud -- here, prosecutors say, over $25 million -- Bannon, if convicted, is looking at a sentence of at least approximately seven to nine years under the federal sentencing guidelines (which are important but not binding on a judge), or slightly less if he accepts responsibility and pleads guilty.

Or Bannon can try to cooperate with the SDNY -- which could offer him his best chance at a significant sentencing reduction. In my experience, the SDNY handles cooperation differently than many other prosecutors' offices. in the SDNY, cooperation is all-or-nothing. An SDNY cooperator must admit to every crime he has committed. And the cooperator must give up everything he knows about what others have done -- even if the conduct, or the other people, go beyond the original charges in the indictment. If Bannon goes the cooperation route and fully comes clean, he stands to minimize his own potential prison time. But, to save himself, Bannon will very likely need to give the SDNY the ammunition it needs to take others down too.

Since Bannon has been charged but not yet convicted of a crime, Trump cannot pardon him to keep Bannon quiet.

I bet 'ol Steverino knows enough to cause a lot of people to sweat profusely this Friday morning.
 
Trump can pardon him at any time, convicted or not. Like Ford pardoned Nixon.
Trump hates his guts after all the things Bannon said in Wolf's book. He won't pardon him. He'd rather take his chances and challenge anything Bannon might allege to prosecutors.

We've heard this song and dance before. "If so and so tells prosecutors about Trump's financial crimes, Trump is toast!", as if this wasn't promised of Flynn, Manafort, Stone, Cohen, Gates, and others when they were indicted.

No US attorney is going after a sitting president right now, so just forget the idea. We waited to see if that could happen and it hasn't. Of course, even IF a US attorney wanted to go after Trump and his family, they'd have to go through Barr, who has openly confessed to blocking all inquiry into Trump and that's exactly what he has done.

Now, IF Trump loses the election this all becomes a big issue for him, because he won't be a sitting president any longer, and Barr won't be the legal AG either.

IMHO, I'd wager that given how hard Trump has fought to keep his records sealed, they must be so incriminating to fraudulent activity (and/or lack of income and wealth) that all a prosecutor needs must be there and pretty easy to put together for a case, with no witness needed.
 
Trump hates his guts after all the things Bannon said in Wolf's book. He won't pardon him. He'd rather take his chances and challenge anything Bannon might allege to prosecutors.

We've heard this song and dance before. "If so and so tells prosecutors about Trump's financial crimes, Trump is toast!", as if this wasn't promised of Flynn, Manafort, Stone, Cohen, Gates, and others when they were indicted.

No US attorney is going after a sitting president right now, so just forget the idea. We waited to see if that could happen and it hasn't. Of course, even IF a US attorney wanted to go after Trump and his family, they'd have to go through Barr, who has openly confessed to blocking all inquiry into Trump and that's exactly what he has done.

Now, IF Trump loses the election this all becomes a big issue for him, because he won't be a sitting president any longer, and Barr won't be the legal AG either.

IMHO, I'd wager that given how hard Trump has fought to keep his records sealed, they must be so incriminating to fraud (and/or lack of income and wealth) that all a prosecutor needs must be there and pretty easy to put together for a case.

If Trump loses, he will give himself a blanket pardon on the way out the door. Then we'll see if it'll hold up in court.
 
Not if Bannon is charged under New York state laws.

The current indictment is Federal as I'm sure wire fraud & money laundering involve crossing state lines, which makes it Federal.
 
True. Right now the charges are federal. I'm sure New York laws were violated as well.

At this juncture, I'm fairly sure honest prosecutors are aware that Trump will use his federal pardon power to spring his friends and henchmen.

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Steve Bannon's troubles are just beginning

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Since Bannon has been charged but not yet convicted of a crime, Trump cannot pardon him to keep Bannon quiet.

I bet 'ol Steverino knows enough to cause a lot of people to sweat profusely this Friday morning.

A pardon can be issued before the start of a federal criminal case against someone. For an example, Nixon was pre-emptively pardoned.

[Edit: derp, bearpoker already said that.]

I'm not a betting man unless I'm sitting at a poker table, but I'd consider wagering that Trump will pardon himself before he leaves office. There is disagreement about how this would stand up, but since it hasn't been settled, the courts - and he would go all the way to SCOTUS fighting it - would have to settle it were he to be charged after leaving office. And that would buy him more years of freedom post-office.

He can't have all that many left.
 
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