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Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through
NBC News obtained a photo showing results of a test on a steel wall prototype.
Image: border fence



President Donald Trump has repeatedly advocated for a steel slat design for his border wall, which he described as "absolutely critical to border security" in his Oval Office address to the nation Tuesday. But Department of Homeland Security testing of a steel slat prototype proved it could be cut through with a saw, according to a report by DHS.

A photo exclusively obtained by NBC News shows the results of the test after military and Border Patrol personnel were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools.

The Trump administration directed the construction of eight steel and concrete prototype walls that were built in Otay Mesa, California, just across the border from Tijuana, Mexico. Trump inspected the prototypes in March 2018. He has now settled on a steel slat, or steel bollard, design for the proposed border barrier additions. Steel bollard fencing has been used under previous administrations.




DHS testing of steel slat border wall prototype proved it could be cut through
JAN. 10, 201902:22
However, testing by DHS in late 2017 showed all eight prototypes, including the steel slats, were vulnerable to breaching, according to an internal February 2018 U.S. Customs and Border Protection report.

Photos of the breaches were not included in a redacted version of the CBP report, which was first obtained in a Freedom of Information Act Request by San Diego public broadcaster KPBS.

The photo of testing results obtained by NBC News was taken at the testing location along the California-Mexico border, known as "Pogo Row."

NBC News toured the eight wall prototypes twice before President Trump's March 2018 inspection. According to San Diego Sector Border Patrol Chief Rodney Scott, the versions seen by NBC News and the president, however, were larger than the actual prototypes tested at "Pogo Row."




Mulvaney says WH offer to Democrats: Steel, not concrete
JAN. 5, 201901:13
In a statement, DHS Spokeswoman Katie Waldman said, "The steel bollard construction is based on the operational requirements of the United States Border Patrol and is a design that has been honed over more than a decade of use. It is an important part of Border Patrol's impedance and denial capability."

"While the design currently being constructed was informed by what we learned in the prototypes, it does not replicate those designs," said Waldman. "The steel bollard design is internally reinforced with materials that require time and multiple industrial tools to breach, thereby providing U.S. Border Patrol agents additional response time to affect a successful law enforcement resolution. In the event that one of the steel bollards becomes damaged, it is quick and cost-effective to repair.

"The professionals on the border know that a wall system is intended not only to prevent entry, it is intended to defer and to increase the amount of time and effort it takes for one to enter so that we can respond with limited border patrol agents. Even a wall that is being breached is a valuable tool in that it allows us to respond to the attempted illegal entry."

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In response to KPBS, CBP spokesman Ralph DeSio said the prototypes "were not and cannot be designed to be indestructible," but were designed to "impede or deny efforts to scale, breach, or dig under such a barrier, giving agents time to respond."

In his address to the nation Tuesday, Trump said the steel fence design is "what our professionals at the border want and need. This is just common sense."

As a candidate, Trump promised to build an "impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful" wall on the border that would be paid for by Mexico. Before the Oval Office address, the White House's Office of Management and Budget sent a letter to Congress requesting $5.7 billion for the construction of 234 miles of steel barrier.

Amid a government shutdown over his border wall proposal, Trump will travel to McAllen, Texas Thursday to make the case for building the additional border barrier.

House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson, D.-Miss., said there is "nothing special" about Trump's wall design.

"President Trump likes to pretend a wall will solve all our problems, but it's been clear for some time that it is little more than a very expensive vanity project," said Thompson. "Whether steel or concrete, there is nothing special about his wall and it will not secure our borders. Democrats are willing to work with the administration to improve our border security, but let's get back to proven and effective solutions."
 
Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through
NBC News obtained a photo showing results of a test on a steel wall prototype.
Image: border fence



President Donald Trump has repeatedly advocated for a steel slat design for his border wall, which he described as "absolutely critical to border security" in his Oval Office address to the nation Tuesday. But Department of Homeland Security testing of a steel slat prototype proved it could be cut through with a saw, according to a report by DHS.

A photo exclusively obtained by NBC News shows the results of the test after military and Border Patrol personnel were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools.

The Trump administration directed the construction of eight steel and concrete prototype walls that were built in Otay Mesa, California, just across the border from Tijuana, Mexico. Trump inspected the prototypes in March 2018. He has now settled on a steel slat, or steel bollard, design for the proposed border barrier additions. Steel bollard fencing has been used under previous administrations.




DHS testing of steel slat border wall prototype proved it could be cut through
JAN. 10, 201902:22
However, testing by DHS in late 2017 showed all eight prototypes, including the steel slats, were vulnerable to breaching, according to an internal February 2018 U.S. Customs and Border Protection report.

Photos of the breaches were not included in a redacted version of the CBP report, which was first obtained in a Freedom of Information Act Request by San Diego public broadcaster KPBS.

The photo of testing results obtained by NBC News was taken at the testing location along the California-Mexico border, known as "Pogo Row."

NBC News toured the eight wall prototypes twice before President Trump's March 2018 inspection. According to San Diego Sector Border Patrol Chief Rodney Scott, the versions seen by NBC News and the president, however, were larger than the actual prototypes tested at "Pogo Row."




Mulvaney says WH offer to Democrats: Steel, not concrete
JAN. 5, 201901:13
In a statement, DHS Spokeswoman Katie Waldman said, "The steel bollard construction is based on the operational requirements of the United States Border Patrol and is a design that has been honed over more than a decade of use. It is an important part of Border Patrol's impedance and denial capability."

"While the design currently being constructed was informed by what we learned in the prototypes, it does not replicate those designs," said Waldman. "The steel bollard design is internally reinforced with materials that require time and multiple industrial tools to breach, thereby providing U.S. Border Patrol agents additional response time to affect a successful law enforcement resolution. In the event that one of the steel bollards becomes damaged, it is quick and cost-effective to repair.

"The professionals on the border know that a wall system is intended not only to prevent entry, it is intended to defer and to increase the amount of time and effort it takes for one to enter so that we can respond with limited border patrol agents. Even a wall that is being breached is a valuable tool in that it allows us to respond to the attempted illegal entry."

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In response to KPBS, CBP spokesman Ralph DeSio said the prototypes "were not and cannot be designed to be indestructible," but were designed to "impede or deny efforts to scale, breach, or dig under such a barrier, giving agents time to respond."

In his address to the nation Tuesday, Trump said the steel fence design is "what our professionals at the border want and need. This is just common sense."

As a candidate, Trump promised to build an "impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful" wall on the border that would be paid for by Mexico. Before the Oval Office address, the White House's Office of Management and Budget sent a letter to Congress requesting $5.7 billion for the construction of 234 miles of steel barrier.

Amid a government shutdown over his border wall proposal, Trump will travel to McAllen, Texas Thursday to make the case for building the additional border barrier.

House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson, D.-Miss., said there is "nothing special" about Trump's wall design.

"President Trump likes to pretend a wall will solve all our problems, but it's been clear for some time that it is little more than a very expensive vanity project," said Thompson. "Whether steel or concrete, there is nothing special about his wall and it will not secure our borders. Democrats are willing to work with the administration to improve our border security, but let's get back to proven and effective solutions."

STOP THE PRESSES!

Steel can be cut through?

Who knew?
 
Sorry, but until we discover Vibranium we'll have to live with the fact that you can cut through any material. It's not "if" you can cut through, but how long it takes that matters.
 
Sorry, but until we discover Vibranium we'll have to live with the fact that you can cut through any material. It's not "if" you can cut through, but how long it takes that matters.

According to the report, the steel was cut with a common household saw. Trump will be all confused now and demand a national registry of hack-saws..............:mrgreen:
 
According to the report, the steel was cut with a common household saw. Trump will be all confused now and demand a national registry of hack-saws..............:mrgreen:

Christ. Now Trump needs to learn about saws and ladders?

Well, it looks like Trump has his plate full until well after the 2020 election eh.
 
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Sorry, but until we discover Vibranium we'll have to live with the fact that you can cut through any material. It's not "if" you can cut through, but how long it takes that matters.

Yeah, ladders are much simpler I would think.

But the important thing is the USA should spend $5b on a wall that can be easily defeated by a $20 ladder or saw or shovel.

Do you know if they tried a hydraulic jack?
 
According to the report, the steel was cut with a common household saw. Trump will be all confused now and demand a national registry of hack-saws..............:mrgreen:
You can cut through pretty much anything with an angle grinder.
 
You can cut through pretty much anything with an angle grinder.

“Beware the Caravans of angle grinder wielding brown people!” :shock:
 
Yeah, ladders are much simpler I would think.

But the important thing is the USA should spend $5b on a wall that can be easily defeated by a $20 ladder or saw or shovel.

Do you know if they tried a hydraulic jack?
How is it easily defeated? You think 100's of people are going to be storming the wall with 20 ft. ladders and nobody is going to notice?
 
You can cut through pretty much anything with an angle grinder.

I have an impact drill that cuts through floors, and steel or copper pipes don't stop it. The blades might get a little worn though.;)
 

So your issue seems to be that Trump indicated he would be willing to compromise and change from concrete to steel, and you are bitching why?

Let me be one of the millions of high school graduates to remind you: The job of congress in a democratic republic is to compromise to get things done for the people, not counter a money request of 4.5 billion with "We'll give you a dollar".

Your TDS post says a lot more about you than it does Trump.
 
“Beware the Caravans of angle grinder wielding brown people!” :shock:
There is no need to denigrate people to make a joke that isn't even funny.
 
According to the report, the steel was cut with a common household saw. Trump will be all confused now and demand a national registry of hack-saws..............:mrgreen:

Would that not simply be a step to eventual confiscation?

And when hack saws are outlawed, only outlaws will have hack saws.

From my cold dead hands.
 
Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through
NBC News obtained a photo showing results of a test on a steel wall prototype.
Image: border fence



President Donald Trump has repeatedly advocated for a steel slat design for his border wall,

~snipped the rest of your post to save space~

Howdy Doody, AntiTrump. Welcome to the forum.

Now...go tell the mods to delete your thread because you neglected to provide any links to the quotes you posted.

Oh...and by the way...try to exhibit a little honesty, eh? The steel slat design has never been the preferred design for Trump's border wall. It was a possibility and, when the Trump administration was taking bid proposals from builders, they did select 4 that were steel and 4 that were concrete. But Trump has always preferred concrete.

Of course, lately the Dems told him that concrete was out...that they wanted steel...so he gave in on that. Turned out they were just playing him, though. They had no intention of funding ANY wall...concrete or steel.

Tell you what...when Trump goes ahead and declares a national emergency and begins construction, don't be surprised if they start building concrete walls.
 
How is it easily defeated? You think 100's of people are going to be storming the wall with 20 ft. ladders and nobody is going to notice?

Especially when they bring a 20' ladder to get over a 30' wall.

LOL!!
 
Those angle bars didn't look to be cut with a hacksaw. A hacksaw would be a long arduous process. They could probably be cut with a reciprocating saw but you would have to have a power source handy. (And a lot of blades.) There are several industrial tools that could make the cuts and- in fact- that is how the article characterized the tools that made those cuts. It was the reporter in the video that said "common household tools" for whatever reason.
 
How is it easily defeated? You think 100's of people are going to be storming the wall with 20 ft. ladders and nobody is going to notice?

100's of people cross the border right now and no one notices. And 100's of people only need 2 ladders total. One for the Mexican side, one for the American side. And they make ladders tall enough to defeat every wall that was ever considered on the southern border.

In all, leaning one ladder up on the Mexican side, and tilting the other over to the American side and having a caravan go single file up the first and down the second is much quicker and easier than sawing or digging through.
 
So...I was kind of curious about this stuff about being able to cut through these steel slats with a "common household saw".

I first looked for and found the NBC report. It is here: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856

They have a picture of the slats that were cut through.

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Here is a picture of the 8 prototype walls that were built.

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Now...for the life of me, I can't figure out WHICH prototype matches the cropped picture of the slats that were cut through. In fact, the land around the NBC picture doesn't look anything like the land around the prototypes.

President Trump has said, today, that the wall that was cut through is a design that was created by the Obama administration. Given the appearance of the slats that were cut through (heavily rusted) and the obvious fact that those slats don't match any of the prototypes, I have to agree with Trump.

I MUST conclude that NBC is lying their asses off.

REJECTED!!
 
How is it easily defeated? You think 100's of people are going to be storming the wall with 20 ft. ladders and nobody is going to notice?

Hundreds of people crossing the border are either observed or not observed and I don't see the wall changing this scenario.
 
So...I was kind of curious about this stuff about being able to cut through these steel slats with a "common household saw".

I first looked for and found the NBC report. It is here: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856

They have a picture of the slats that were cut through.

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Here is a picture of the 8 prototype walls that were built.

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Now...for the life of me, I can't figure out WHICH prototype matches the cropped picture of the slats that were cut through. In fact, the land around the NBC picture doesn't look anything like the land around the prototypes.

President Trump has said, today, that the wall that was cut through is a design that was created by the Obama administration. Given the appearance of the slats that were cut through (heavily rusted) and the obvious fact that those slats don't match any of the prototypes, I have to agree with Trump.

I MUST conclude that NBC is lying their asses off.

REJECTED!!

You looked at year-old pictures and wonder why a more recent prototype is different? Yeah ok buddy.
 
100's of people cross the border right now and no one notices. And 100's of people only need 2 ladders total.
100's of people together is quite easy to spot.
 
You looked at year-old pictures and wonder why a more recent prototype is different? Yeah ok buddy.

Prove they are pictures of a Trump prototype wall. Heck, tell me which of the prototypes those cut slats come from.

I don't think you can.
 
It's funny to watch Democrats pretend to care about spending money on things that aren't cost effective.

#CLIMATE CHANGE #HEAD START # WAR ON POVERTY
 
Prove they are pictures of a Trump prototype wall. Heck, tell me which of the prototypes those cut slats come from.

I don't think you can.

Elaborate on what form of evidence would constitute "proof," in your mind, and from what source.
 
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