States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

[Barbbtx]

So if citizens decide to give their non-citizen legal resident tax-paying neighbors the right to vote in local elections, that's something to be afraid of?

Really?

There are other countries that permit that sort of thing in certain localities, and the sky hasn't fallen there.

We aren't other countries! At least we didn't used to be.

 

[Councilman]

If you are surrounded by and taught by radicals who themselves lack the ability to think for themselves with logical, reasonable thought processes and who do nothing but play follow the leader their whole lives we can't expect more from them than we get.

This attack on our Nations security and make no mistake it is a full frontal attack, is calculated to go hand in hand with Obama's desire to bring us to our economic knees as is outlined in the Cloward and Piven strategy and is all part of the Marxist Black Liberation Theology plan.

I don't believe in coincidence but I do believe in plans and Obama has put in place over 30 radicals who have no experience in the practical application of anything in the real world and they are all either Communists/Socialists/Marxists which in the end are separated only by the method of the achievement of their goals.

Abdirizak Daud, has been here 18 years, with 9 kids still can't speak English or pass the test but he's the example they put forth for us to feel sorry for because he is not qualified to be a citizen not because of us but because he in not intelligent enough.

I am not sorry to say this but i am sorry I have to. I want to know why is he still here?

Note the last sentence in bold type, because this is the key yo it all. He want's to be a Democrat. Well no damn kidding I would never in a million years guest that one.

If you read the whole story you know San Francisco id trying to get it started and I want to see it made a Federal law enforceable by jail time for any City to allow any Aliens to vote and to be Sanctuary cities.

We need to push for this After the Nov. Elections.

Abdirizak Daud, 40, moved to Minneapolis 18 years ago before coming to Portland in 2006. He hasn't been able to find a job. Some of his nine children have attended Portland schools, and he'd like to have a say in who's looking over the school system and the city, he said.

But between his limited English and the financial demands, Daud hasn't been able to become a citizen.

"I like the Democrats. I want to vote for Democrats, but I don't have citizenship," he said.

 

[apdst]

Next quiz, I've lived and worked in the US for 20 years without becoming a citizen and I've paid more dollars in taxes than you ever will. AND I live in a community where the ENTIRETY of the school students are resident aliens as well. Whos going to vote for those things now? Or are we just gonna have some outside party decide how my kids are going to go to school.

The people who are legal American citizens.


And, BTW, what about the American citizens that don't pay taxes? Should be allowed to vote? It has nothing to do with how much you pay in taxes, unfortunately.

Here's another question. What if the ENTIRETY of school children are US citizens but all of their parents are NOT? So the kids were born in the US but the parents were born outside? Do those children, US citizens, not get to have their concerns and opinions expressed because of their parent's citizenship status?

No! Non-citzens--legal, or not--shouldn't be able to vote in American elections.

So answer me that, and while you're at it tell me if you'd have the Federal government make a blanket law for everyone and tell me what if any practical reason you can think of to justify you're reasoning here.

Again, you write that sentence and you call me a moron?

 

[Orion]

What the hell is with the Aztlan picture in the OP?

Then again, your avatar is of a crystal skull so I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[Wiseone]

Yes I called you a moron, but unfortunately I received an infraction so I can't do it again. But, please, answer that question. Would you support the Federal government going into a community and forcibly ending this practice if the locals had no problem with it?

And are you seriously OK with US citizens, even though they are children, not being able to discuss their school through their parents because they aren't US citizens? Since when in America are you limited because of who you're parents are.

And I asked you what if the entirety of these people are non-US citizens, so there are no children of US citizens going to this school. Would we just cut the parents out entirely of any say in how their children are educated? Didn't you want to eliminate the Department of Education as well, so now you support the Feds coming in and regulating education when there's something you disagree with?

 

[The_Patriot]

Yes I called you a moron, but unfortunately I received an infraction so I can't do it again. But, please, answer that question. Would you support the Federal government going into a community and forcibly ending this practice if the locals had no problem with it?

And are you seriously OK with US citizens, even though they are children, not being able to discuss their school through their parents because they aren't US citizens? Since when in America are you limited because of who you're parents are.

And I asked you what if the entirety of these people are non-US citizens, so there are no children of US citizens going to this school. Would we just cut the parents out entirely of any say in how their children are educated? Didn't you want to eliminate the Department of Education as well, so now you support the Feds coming in and regulating education when there's something you disagree with?

The easiest solution is to get the government out of the schools. This way all schools are private and whatever voting the school does is up to them as a private business. Since public education is government controlled it is a politcal vote and one that should be denied to non-citizens. Would you mind if American citizens voted in your home country's elections as non-resident legal aliens?

 

[Councilman]

What the hell is with the Aztlan picture in the OP?

Then again, your avatar is of a crystal skull so I shouldn't be surprised.

What is clear is you are one of those individuals who totally lacks the ability to read and comprehend English, so I will not explain it to you because it's over your head. But don't feel bad you're not alone.

And by the way your lame attempt to insult me will never work because it only shows your short comings if you can ask someone to read and explain my previous post to you it might help you.

 

[apdst]

Yes I called you a moron, but unfortunately I received an infraction so I can't do it again. But, please, answer that question. Would you support the Federal government going into a community and forcibly ending this practice if the locals had no problem with it?

And are you seriously OK with US citizens, even though they are children, not being able to discuss their school through their parents because they aren't US citizens? Since when in America are you limited because of who you're parents are.

And I asked you what if the entirety of these people are non-US citizens, so there are no children of US citizens going to this school. Would we just cut the parents out entirely of any say in how their children are educated? Didn't you want to eliminate the Department of Education as well, so now you support the Feds coming in and regulating education when there's something you disagree with?

Yes! I'm very OK with that. If that doesn't work for their parents, then their parents can take their asses, along with their kids's asses, back to their country of origin and vote there and then, shut the **** up about it.

 

[Wiseone]

Let me ask another question. I am an American citizen, yet I cannot vote in these kind of elections held for local schools. Why? Because I don't have kids who go to that school. So there's obviously a different standard for voting in these elections than other ones which are political. That standard being having a child in that school, and since I don't have kid I don't have a dog in the fight so I can't vote.

Is that right, that me an American citizen cannot vote in an election simply because I don't have a kid in that school?

 

[Wiseone]

Yes! I'm very OK with that. If that doesn't work for their parents, then their parents can take their asses, along with their kids's asses, back to their country of origin and vote there and then, shut the **** up about it.

Do you have any pratical reason for that and please for the love of Christ answer my questions, can't you even defend your position or are you just going to repeat it over and over and over again? Seriously "Yes huh" isn't convincing.

 

[Ned Racine]

Let me ask another question. I am an American citizen, yet I cannot vote in these kind of elections held for local schools. Why? Because I don't have kids who go to that school. So there's obviously a different standard for voting in these elections than other ones which are political. That standard being having a child in that school, and since I don't have kid I don't have a dog in the fight so I can't vote.

Is that right, that me an American citizen cannot vote in an election simply because I don't have a kid in that school?

It's been going on for 30 years .

 

[The_Patriot]

Let me ask another question. I am an American citizen, yet I cannot vote in these kind of elections held for local schools. Why? Because I don't have kids who go to that school. So there's obviously a different standard for voting in these elections than other ones which are political. That standard being having a child in that school, and since I don't have kid I don't have a dog in the fight so I can't vote.

Is that right, that me an American citizen cannot vote in an election simply because I don't have a kid in that school?

I don't know if it's just an Arizona thing or not, because in Missouri anyone can vote for school board members and determine policy since they're paying for it.

 

[MaggieD]

Let me ask another question. I am an American citizen, yet I cannot vote in these kind of elections held for local schools. Why? Because I don't have kids who go to that school. So there's obviously a different standard for voting in these elections than other ones which are political. That standard being having a child in that school, and since I don't have kid I don't have a dog in the fight so I can't vote.

Is that right, that me an American citizen cannot vote in an election simply because I don't have a kid in that school?

Please supply a link for that. You don't even have to have children in the school to be a Board member in Arizona. http://www.azsba.org/static/index.cfm?contentID=122

The elections are held in conjunction with the General Election in even-numbered years. How do they enforce that? Link?

 

[Wiseone]

Please supply a link for that. You don't even have to have children in the school to be a Board member in Arizona. http://www.azsba.org/static/index.cfm?contentID=122

The elections are held in conjunction with the General Election in even-numbered years. How do they enforce that? Link?

My mistake I should have been clearer I was referring to those elections which take place within the school itself over things like allocation of funds, ex. new football uniforms or a new stage for the drama club, or when to hold the community bake sale when I said I couldnt vote in those because I didnt have a kid. However I still report a tax paying legal resident alien with a kid in that school to be able to vote for things like supervisor. But yes in Arizona I can vote for school supervisory and other related position without having a kid in school.

That also brings up an interesting and wider point, I'm currently living in Virginia right now and pay some Virginia taxes yet I have no say in where those go even go I'm a legal resident alien of the state. That I dont have problem with personally.

 

[mike2810]

"Their country" is the United States. They live and work here.

Are you serious? So if a non citizen works in the US, the US is their country? No its where they happen to be stationed for work. "Their" country is where they have citizenship. Just because someone lives and works in a particular country does not make that "their" country.

 

[Hicup]

I'm a resident alien of the USA. I retained my Canadian citizenship, yet, I am every bit as American as any of you, and, for some reason, I KNOW I am not allowed to vote. I take no issue with the laws of the USA regarding this ONE requist to my living here. I, unlike the "dude" in the OP, have contributed to the country, and I still am not requesting the "vote". It was my chocie to remain a Canadian, even though all four of my children were born here, and I have no plans to return to living in Canada, it is the LAW that I cannot vote.

What's wrong with that? Nothing.. It's a fair law, you know, like the one that also says I can't receive ANY social services for the first 5 years of living here. I didn't take a dime from the tax payer, not once, and have become instead, one of the tax payers. I have a right to everything else not unlike any other citizen of the US, but I can't vote.

I'm ok with that...



Tim-

 

[Kandahar]

Are you willing to give up our Nations Sovereignty and History as a Melting pot, in favor of some Radical Liberal idea that is 100% Anti-American? It also means the end of the United States of America that millions fought and died for.
Or are you willing to fight Peacefully of course to preserve our Nation?

This is the most dangerous attack on our nation since Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

Allowing aliens legal or not to vote could lead to a situation not unlike the one that took place back in 1981 when a Cult tried to take over and control the Community of Antelope Oregon.

They used legal citizens who were brain washed by Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh to register to vote so they could take over and allow them to make all the rules so their CULT could do as they wished.

Is this a fear? HELL YES IT IS.

There are places in this nation such as parts of Los Angeles where if this were to catch on Radicals like from the Racist group La Raza, and other radical groups like MEChA, and Aztlan will turn areas into Mexico which is their goal which will lead to us being run out.

There are areas in many Cities populated by Muslims, Chinese, Korean, etc. and if allowed to do so they will return to separate but unequal, and this will I seriously fear lead to a Civil War and a BLOOD BATH.

Yeah...you might have actually been able to make a reasonable argument for why they shouldn't be allowed to vote, but instead you chose racist hysteria. Epic fail. :roll:

Personally I don't have a problem with them voting, as long as they're only voting in local elections. Permanent residents are just as much a part of the community as US citizens, so I don't see any reason why not.

 

[Deuce]

I'm a resident alien of the USA. I retained my Canadian citizenship, yet, I am every bit as American as any of you, and, for some reason, I KNOW I am not allowed to vote. I take no issue with the laws of the USA regarding this ONE requist to my living here. I, unlike the "dude" in the OP, have contributed to the country, and I still am not requesting the "vote". It was my chocie to remain a Canadian, even though all four of my children were born here, and I have no plans to return to living in Canada, it is the LAW that I cannot vote.

What's wrong with that? Nothing.. It's a fair law, you know, like the one that also says I can't receive ANY social services for the first 5 years of living here. I didn't take a dime from the tax payer, not once, and have become instead, one of the tax payers. I have a right to everything else not unlike any other citizen of the US, but I can't vote.

I'm ok with that...



Tim-

So, because you don't see the right to vote as important to you, nobody else should?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

I'm a resident alien of the USA. I retained my Canadian citizenship, yet, I am every bit as American as any of you...

I don't consider Canadians to be aliens. I'd have no objection to resident Canadians being allowed to vote if the Canadian government offered reciprocity.

:kitty:

 

[Hicup]

So, because you don't see the right to vote as important to you, nobody else should?

I never said it wasn't important, and if I could I would vote. I suppose I could vote if I followed the law, and either, became a citizen, or retained dual citizenship. I have no plans to doing that, so, as a result I am not allowed to vote. My choice. Seems the guy in the OP wants to vote just because he believes he is entitled to vote. He's wrong, and so are you, if you beleiev he has a right.


Tim-

 

[Hicup]

I don't consider Canadians to be aliens. I'd have no objection to resident Canadians being allowed to vote if the Canadian government offered reciprocity.

:kitty:

LOL.. Yeah not likely anytime soon..


Tim-

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Oh, certainly not. We all must try so hard to maintain the illusion that we're not the same people.

 

[Goobieman]

Those only count when you agree with them.

Deuce Also, "will of the people."

Yes... Like CA prop 8.

 

[snbl11225]

I am for giving illegal immigrants a road to citizenship if they have shown, through their actions, that they deserve and will be responsible citizens. Part of citizenship is the right to vote. I do, however, fault our citizenship for not being more willing to recognize that, like many of our ancestry who came to this country to find a better life, many of those illegal immigrants who have come from Mexico have done so for the same reasons. In Mexico today, murder, drugs, and kidnappings are a way of life. In an article posted in Criminal for a Just Society, January 21, 2010, Andre Castillo

states
In the state of Sinaloa, one man’s tortured body was discovered hanging by his neck from a highway overpass, his hands tied behind his back. Other grisly actions have included: “public displays of battered human heads, some thrown into plazas or placed on car rooftops, some thrown outside schools; mutilated torsos hanging from meat hooks; threats and taunts to rival cartels written on walls with the blood of butchered adversaries; and video-postings of torture and beheadings on YouTube.”1 These activities, once unheard of outside the realm of shock horror film, have become depressingly common in Mexico.

Were I living in such a country, I to would risk deportation to come to America. Many of these people pay taxes and even, Social Security. This country was founded on immigrant, lest we forget.

 

[Hatuey]

I find it funny that the author makes all this talk about Mexico and Aztlan but the part of the story he decided to highlight mentions 'Claude Rwaganje'. I'm sure this guy actually cares about Aztlan:

Silly Gringos. DEM MEXIKUNZ GWAN TAKE YA LANDS!