States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

[Councilman]

Are you willing to give up our Nations Sovereignty and History as a Melting pot, in favor of some Radical Liberal idea that is 100% Anti-American? It also means the end of the United States of America that millions fought and died for.
Or are you willing to fight Peacefully of course to preserve our Nation?

This is the most dangerous attack on our nation since Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

Allowing aliens legal or not to vote could lead to a situation not unlike the one that took place back in 1981 when a Cult tried to take over and control the Community of Antelope Oregon.

They used legal citizens who were brain washed by Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh to register to vote so they could take over and allow them to make all the rules so their CULT could do as they wished.

Is this a fear? HELL YES IT IS.

There are places in this nation such as parts of Los Angeles where if this were to catch on Radicals like from the Racist group La Raza, and other radical groups like MEChA, and Aztlan will turn areas into Mexico which is their goal which will lead to us being run out.

There are areas in many Cities populated by Muslims, Chinese, Korean, etc. and if allowed to do so they will return to separate but unequal, and this will I seriously fear lead to a Civil War and a BLOOD BATH.

States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote - FoxNews.com
PORTLAND, Maine -- Like his neighbors, Claude Rwaganje pays taxes on his income and taxes on his cars. His children have gone to Portland's public schools. He's interested in the workings of Maine's largest city, which he has called home for 13 years.

There's one vital difference, though: Rwaganje isn't a U.S. citizen and isn't allowed to vote on those taxes or on school issues. That may soon change.

Portland residents will vote Nov. 2 on a proposal to give legal residents who are not U.S. citizens the right to vote in local elections, joining places like San Francisco and Chicago that have already loosened the rules or are considering it.

 

[MaggieD]

Are you willing to give up our Nations Sovereignty and History as a Melting pot, in favor of some Radical Liberal idea that is 100% Anti-American? It also means the end of the United States of America that millions fought and died for.
Or are you willing to fight Peacefully of course to preserve our Nation?

This is the most dangerous attack on our nation since Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

Allowing aliens legal or not to vote could lead to a situation not unlike the one that took place back in 1981 when a Cult tried to take over and control the Community of Antelope Oregon.

They used legal citizens who were brain washed by Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh to register to vote so they could take over and allow them to make all the rules so their CULT could do as they wished.

Is this a fear? HELL YES IT IS.

There are places in this nation such as parts of Los Angeles where if this were to catch on Radicals like from the Racist group La Raza, and other radical groups like MEChA, and Aztlan will turn areas into Mexico which is their goal which will lead to us being run out.

There are areas in many Cities populated by Muslims, Chinese, Korean, etc. and if allowed to do so they will return to separate but unequal, and this will I seriously fear lead to a Civil War and a BLOOD BATH.

What an interesting post. I wasn't aware 'til I just Googled that Illinois allows noncitizens to vote in local School Board elections. Been on the books since 1998.

It looks as though many states are looking to Illinois and a few other states and considering the same practice.

Can anyone say, "The camel's nose is under the tent"?

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

So if citizens decide to give their non-citizen legal resident tax-paying neighbors the right to vote in local elections, that's something to be afraid of?

Really?

There are other countries that permit that sort of thing in certain localities, and the sky hasn't fallen there.

 

[liblady]

Are you willing to give up our Nations Sovereignty and History as a Melting pot, in favor of some Radical Liberal idea that is 100% Anti-American? It also means the end of the United States of America that millions fought and died for.
Or are you willing to fight Peacefully of course to preserve our Nation?

This is the most dangerous attack on our nation since Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

Allowing aliens legal or not to vote could lead to a situation not unlike the one that took place back in 1981 when a Cult tried to take over and control the Community of Antelope Oregon.

They used legal citizens who were brain washed by Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh to register to vote so they could take over and allow them to make all the rules so their CULT could do as they wished.

Is this a fear? HELL YES IT IS.

There are places in this nation such as parts of Los Angeles where if this were to catch on Radicals like from the Racist group La Raza, and other radical groups like MEChA, and Aztlan will turn areas into Mexico which is their goal which will lead to us being run out.

There are areas in many Cities populated by Muslims, Chinese, Korean, etc. and if allowed to do so they will return to separate but unequal, and this will I seriously fear lead to a Civil War and a BLOOD BATH.

while i don't agree with this.......whatever happened to state's rights?

 

[MaggieD]

So if citizens decide to give their non-citizen legal resident tax-paying neighbors the right to vote in local elections, that's something to be afraid of?

Really?

There are other countries that permit that sort of thing in certain localities, and the sky hasn't fallen there.

I do not think that a noncitizen should be able to choose the President of the United States. There's the camel...there's the tent.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

I don't either. I don't think a noncitizen should be allowed to vote in an election where a foreign policy issue could be decided, period.

This is about local elections.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

while i don't agree with this.......whatever happened to state's rights?

Those only count when you agree with them.

 

[liblady]

Those only count when you agree with them.

evidently, right?

 

[Deuce]

evidently, right?

Also, "will of the people."

Or, as Jon Stewart put it, limited government just means limited to the **** they want to do.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Abdirizak Daud, 40, moved to Minneapolis 18 years ago before coming to Portland in 2006. He hasn't been able to find a job. Some of his nine children have attended Portland schools, and he'd like to have a say in who's looking over the school system and the city, he said.

But between his limited English and the financial demands, Daud hasn't been able to become a citizen.

I don't mind people who come here, the right way, to become gainfully employed, who better our society in some way and and who do *what* they're suppose to do eventually earning the right to vote (very reasonable to me).

But people like *this* guy I quoted bug the **** out of me.

He shouldn't have had 9 kids when he was: trying to get citizenship and trying to learn how to build a stable financial life.
He is, in short, a stupid fool - and like many stupid fools - I truly don't believe he has *earned* the right to become a full citizen. . .and he shouldn't have a say over how *my* children are schooled and how *the* country runs.
And after 18 years in ANY country if someone shows NO concern for integrating and at least learning the language (so they could get past some barriers to employment and citizenship) they should be given the cold shoulder.

And to note I harbor no hypocrisy I'll point out that I feel this way concerning *citizens* who exhibit his SAME level of poor judgment - putting sexual urges and a lack of personal-concern before family-support and financial stability and *then* expect the taxpayers to cover their ever rising costs of family-care.

They should *do their equal part* in the whole picture of things before they set forward expectations instead of just failing at *doing their equal part* and then scratch their head in disbelief that they haven't advanced any, yet - and ask for the government or for citizens to take the hit.

 

[mike2810]

IMO, non citizens should not be allowed to vote at any level (local/county,state,federal). The US belongs to its citizens. If a non citizen wants to live here, invest here, then they need to follow our laws.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Aliens should not be allowed to vote in elections, local or not. I am deeply disturbed by this.

 

[apdst]

So if citizens decide to give their non-citizen legal resident tax-paying neighbors the right to vote in local elections, that's something to be afraid of?

Really?

There are other countries that permit that sort of thing in certain localities, and the sky hasn't fallen there.

Did the citizens make that decision, or did the bone head politicos make that decision?

 

[Wiseone]

A legal resident alien pays taxes, have their kids go to local school etc, if they have a vote in the school board over who the principal is or whether to build new stadium lights or a theater stage, that's fine. Its as local as an issue can be and if they pay taxes its also their money as well as their kids. If they wanted to vote for representatives at state, local, or Federal level I'd have a problem, or if they wanted to run for that office there'd be a problem.

Also I fail to see how giving these people a vote will led to a civil war, I wasn't aware that being able to vote was required to be able to pick up a gun and shoot someone. The two seem unrelated to me, but I'm just the rational one.

 

[apdst]

A legal resident alien pays taxes, have their kids go to local school etc, if they have a vote in the school board over who the principal is or whether to build new stadium lights or a theater stage, that's fine. Its as local as an issue can be and if they pay taxes its also their money as well as their kids. If they wanted to vote for representatives at state, local, or Federal level I'd have a problem, or if they wanted to run for that office there'd be a problem.

Also I fail to see how giving these people a vote will led to a civil war, I wasn't aware that being able to vote was required to be able to pick up a gun and shoot someone. The two seem unrelated to me, but I'm just the rational one.

If they want a say in the school system, then they can go home and vote there.

 

[Deuce]

If they want a say in the school system, then they can go home and vote there.

So why are you so worthy of a vote while they aren't?

 

[Wiseone]

If they want a say in the school system, then they can go home and vote there.

Ok moron consider this. I'm an senior executive of General Motors, I normally live and work in India however I agree to move to the US for 2 years to help implement a more efficient method for something or other. I bring my family along, entirely legally, I purchase a home, pay the same taxes as everyone else, contribute the community like any other member. I am a legal resident alien, yet I won't have a say in my kid's school's meetings because I'm not a citizen?

Even though I pay the same taxes, own a home, send my kid to the same school, support local businesses etc, I cannot vote on want kind of uniforms the school's football team wears? Or whether or not my own tax dollars should be used to re-plant the grass or build a new auditorium?

Is there is an issue smaller or more meaningless than this one?

How about this, what if I move to a community OF resident aliens, where the large majority of residents in that community are legal aliens? Are you saying that the minority, lets even say its a small minority, should control all off our tax dollars? How is that right? That a parent cannot have a say in their own child's education?

I'm assuming if it was up to you, you'd have the Federal government come in and make a law which stops all of this nationwide?

 

[rathi]

Personally, I don't really think is a good idea to let non-citizens vote. While I would support making it easier to become a citizen, American elections should be decided by Americans. That said, this an issue that should be left to local governments and I support their right to make the choice even if I disagree with it.

 

[apdst]

So why are you so worthy of a vote while they aren't?

Because I'm a citizen here. That's why. Do I get to vote in their country? No, I don't. That's how things work in the real world, when one moves out of one's parent's home.

 

[apdst]

Ok moron consider this. I'm an senior executive of General Motors, I normally live and work in India however I agree to move to the US for 2 years to help implement a more efficient method for something or other. I bring my family along, entirely legally, I purchase a home, pay the same taxes as everyone else, contribute the community like any other member. I am a legal resident alien, yet I won't have a say in my kid's school's meetings because I'm not a citizen?

Even though I pay the same taxes, own a home, send my kid to the same school, support local businesses etc, I cannot vote on want kind of uniforms the school's football team wears? Or whether or not my own tax dollars should be used to re-plant the grass or build a new auditorium?

Is there is an issue smaller or more meaningless than this one?

How about this, what if I move to a community OF resident aliens, where the large majority of residents in that community are legal aliens? Are you saying that the minority, lets even say its a small minority, should control all off our tax dollars? How is that right? That a parent cannot have a say in their own child's education?

I'm assuming if it was up to you, you'd have the Federal government come in and make a law which stops all of this nationwide?

You call me a moron and your next sentence reads:

I'm an senior executive of General Motors, I normally live and work in India however I agree to move to the US for 2 years to help implement a more efficient method for something or other.

That's funny!!!

To answer your basic question: when you become an American citizen, you can vote all you want, as long as you're properly registered.

 

[Deuce]

Because I'm a citizen here. That's why. Do I get to vote in their country? No, I don't. That's how things work in the real world, when one moves out of one's parent's home.

"Their country" is the United States. They live and work here.

 

[apdst]

"Their country" is the United States. They live and work here.

This isn't, "their country", if they're not citizens.

 

[Wiseone]

You call me a moron and your next sentence reads:



That's funny!!!

To answer your basic question: when you become an American citizen, you can vote all you want, as long as you're properly registered.

Next quiz, I've lived and worked in the US for 20 years without becoming a citizen and I've paid more dollars in taxes than you ever will. AND I live in a community where the ENTIRETY of the school students are resident aliens as well. Whos going to vote for those things now? Or are we just gonna have some outside party decide how my kids are going to go to school.

Here's another question. What if the ENTIRETY of school children are US citizens but all of their parents are NOT? So the kids were born in the US but the parents were born outside? Do those children, US citizens, not get to have their concerns and opinions expressed because of their parent's citizenship status?

So answer me that, and while you're at it tell me if you'd have the Federal government make a blanket law for everyone and tell me what if any practical reason you can think of to justify you're reasoning here.

 

[Whovian]

Currently, the United States recognizes dual citizenship.
Questions and answers on dual US/other citizenship

Rules against dual citizenship still apply to some extent -- at least in theory -- to people who wish to become US citizens via naturalization. The Supreme Court chose to leave in place the requirement that new citizens must renounce their old citizenship during US naturalization. However, in practice, the State Department is no longer doing anything in the vast majority of situations where a new citizen's "old country" refuses to recognize the US renunciation and continues to consider the person's original citizenship to be in effect.

The official US State Department policy on dual citizenship today is that the United States does not favor it as a matter of policy because of various problems they feel it may cause, but the existence of dual citizenship is recognized (i.e., accepted) as a fact of life. That is, if you ask them if you ought to become a dual citizen, they will recommend against doing it; but if you tell them you are a dual citizen, they'll almost always say it's OK.

This was not always the case. So, if someone wants to vote, even at a local level... they should become a citizen first. That would allow them a vote at 'all levels'.

 

[MaggieD]

Next quiz, I've lived and worked in the US for 20 years without becoming a citizen and I've paid more dollars in taxes than you ever will. AND I live in a community where the ENTIRETY of the school students are resident aliens as well. Whos going to vote for those things now? Or are we just gonna have some outside party decide how my kids are going to go to school.

Here's another question. What if the ENTIRETY of school children are US citizens but all of their parents are NOT? So the kids were born in the US but the parents were born outside? Do those children, US citizens, not get to have their concerns and opinions expressed because of their parent's citizenship status?

So answer me that, and while you're at it tell me if you'd have the Federal government make a blanket law for everyone and tell me what if any practical reason you can think of to justify you're reasoning here.

Like it or not, this is very controversial. There are only a few states that allow what you're saying should be so damn obvious. Our right to vote hasn't been determined by $$$ for two hundred years.