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States skeptical of Biden's Covid-19 vaccine plan as they await the missing details

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Pay them. Well.

Charge people to get the vaccine. Easy as pie.
So, the poor can simply die - right?

The cost of the vaccine is around $50 per person. The cost of the supplies needed to complete the vaccination is (at the rates charged by US hospitals) around another $10 per person vaccinated. The cost of the wages for the people involved in administering the vaccine (that means ALL the people [including those involved in the transportation and storage of the vaccine] and not just the person doing the jabbing) is around $100 per person vaccinated. The cost of the facilities is minimal but call it $1 per person vaccinated.

That gives a total cost per vaccinated person of around $161.

On average the monthly payment benefit for American welfare recipients is $404.

Deduct the $161 and you have $233 left to pay food and rent and utilities.

So, the poor can simply die - right?
 

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So, the poor can simply die - right?

The cost of the vaccine is around $50 per person. The cost of the supplies needed to complete the vaccination is (at the rates charged by US hospitals) around another $10 per person vaccinated. The cost of the wages for the people involved in administering the vaccine (that means ALL the people [including those involved in the transportation and storage of the vaccine] and not just the person doing the jabbing) is around $100 per person vaccinated. The cost of the facilities is minimal but call it $1 per person vaccinated.

That gives a total cost per vaccinated person of around $161.

On average the monthly payment benefit for American welfare recipients is $404.

Deduct the $161 and you have $233 left to pay food and rent and utilities.

So, the poor can simply die - right?
92% of Americans have health insurance. The other 8% can have it for free. And the vaccine is already paid for by the federal government.

Where are you getting this $100/dose in other expenses? If that's actually the case, something is seriously wrong.
 

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92% of Americans have health insurance.
So what? Your solution was to "charge the person being vaccinated" it was NOT to "have the person's insurance pay".

BTW, do you know what insurance companies do when they are faced with having to pay out more than they had planned on paying out? They raise their rates for subsequent years until they have recovered all of the excess payout PLUS their normal profit margin. In short, "have the person's insurance pay" is merely a disguised form of "charge the person being vaccinated".

The other 8% can have it for free.
Ain't nothin' free.

And the vaccine is already paid for by the federal government.
But you were going to have the person being vaccinated pay for it - at least that was what you said the solution was.

BTW, do you know where the federal government gets its money? Do you think that the federal government has some sort of magical money manufacturing machine?

Where are you getting this $100/dose in other expenses?
That is the wages of everyone from the cleaner at the trucking company right through the person administering the vaccine and also right on up the administrative food chain of the vaccine administration people, back across to the top of the administration food chain of the trucking company and down again to the cleaner.

If that's actually the case, something is seriously wrong.
You don't appear to quite grasp the fact that (for example) "the wage cost for a Big Mac includes more than the wages of the counter-person who handed it to you".
 

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So what? Your solution was to "charge the person being vaccinated" it was NOT to "have the person's insurance pay".
Wow, that didn't take long to devolve into pointless nuttery.
 

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I see, so the graphs that showed that America is NOT meeting a 1,000,000 per day target and an analysis that a target of 1,000,000 per day disproves that a target that can be met is politically more advisable than one that cannot be met. I see.
No, it shows that the the current "It's all going to be gone in a couple of weeks." plan is already working as good or better than Bidens predicted plan.
 

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No, it shows that the the current "It's all going to be gone in a couple of weeks." plan is already working as good or better than Bidens predicted plan.
The "It's all going to be gone in a couple of weeks." plan was "current" eight or nine months ago.
 

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And, of course, since SOME people who are at minimal risk are getting vaccinated, a portion of the remainder will riot the minute that they are told "Sorry, none for you. We just gave the last dose to that _[fill in the blank]_ over there.".
No one's rioting now...
 

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The Biden plan is a list of obvious actions that Trump should have launched months ago:

Biden’s team members intend to use the Federal Emergency Management Agency to set up thousands of vaccination sites in gyms, sports stadiums and community centers, and to deploy mobile vaccination options to reach those who can’t travel or who live in remote places.
They want to mobilize the National Guard to staff the effort and ensure that strapped states don’t have to bear the cost.
They want to expand who can deliver the vaccine and call up retired medical personnel to aid the campaign. They want to launch a massive public education blitz, aimed at communities skeptical of the vaccine.
They’re evaluating how to eke out more doses from the existing supply — there is, for instance, a particular vial that will get you six doses out of a given quantity of Pfizer’s vaccine rather than five, and they are looking at whether the Defense Production Act could accelerate production of that particular vial and other, similarly useful goods.
Hiring more than 100,000 public health workers for national contact tracing, local vaccine outreach and more.

All obvious, all ignored by the ignorant Trump admin that was focused on grift and denial and the next election.
 

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But at least now we have a president who acknowledges the need for action:

“This will be one of the most challenging operational efforts ever undertaken by our country,” Biden said on Friday. “You have my word that we will manage the hell out of this operation.”
 

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Biden the fixer lol.....
 

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But at least now we have a president who acknowledges the need for action:

“This will be one of the most challenging operational efforts ever undertaken by our country,” Biden said on Friday. “You have my word that we will manage the hell out of this operation.”
lol..... Does nothing for me. Feel good Joe spouting talking points. A pep rally .... Whoopie
 

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lol..... Does nothing for me. Feel good Joe spouting talking points. A pep rally .... Whoopie
You can't do anything else until you're actually president.
For 9 months we faced this pandemic basically without a president and without a national plan. Let's see what having both does.
 

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You can't do anything else until you're actually president.
For 9 months we faced this pandemic basically without a president and without a national plan. Let's see what having both does.

Well, According to Biden it will be 100 million doses in the first 100 days. We are already administering a million doses a day.
 

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Well, According to Biden it will be 100 million doses in the first 100 days. We are already administering a million doses a day.
We're going to have to learn all over how to watch our presidents making realistic projections, aren't we?
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The Bloomberg vaccination tracker shows approximately 31 million doses have been shipped to states; less than half have been reported shot into arms
 

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No one's rioting now...
That's because, currently, those who are at minimal risk are getting vaccinated and there is no "Whey the HELL does he get it when I can't? I'm just as much at risk as he is." currently available.

Besides, all the patriotic, right-thinking, patriotic, hard working, patriotic, honest, patriotic, real, patriotic, true, patriotic, conservative, patriotic, Christian, patriotic, White, patriotic, American, patriotic, patriots who are members of "Claque Trump" juskno that they don't need to get vaccinated because there is no such thing as COVID-19 and that so-called "COVID-19" is all a big lie spread in furtherance of the huge, vast, enormous, secret, hidden, covert, conspiratorial plot the wacko, loony, crazy, left-wing, liberal, socialist, pinko, commies who are a part of the to force a coup against [COLOR"Only ="#FF0000"]DONALD[/COLOR] JOHN TRUMP whom God guided Americans into choosing as THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA so that THE UNITED! STATES OF AMERICA! could fulfill its God Mandated role as the Saviour of Mankind and who want to impose Sherry Law (with its mandatory same-sex, inter-racial, marriages and forced abortions of all white, male, pre-born, children AND compulsory autism causing vaccinations) on America so that all the Cheerleaders would have to wear Burke Hats and football would be banned because it uses pig skin.
 

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That's because, currently, those who are at minimal risk are getting vaccinated and there is no "Whey the HELL does he get it when I can't? I'm just as much at risk as he is." currently available.

Besides, all the patriotic, right-thinking, patriotic, hard working, patriotic, honest, patriotic, real, patriotic, true, patriotic, conservative, patriotic, Christian, patriotic, White, patriotic, American, patriotic, patriots who are members of "Claque Trump" juskno that they don't need to get vaccinated because there is no such thing as COVID-19 and that so-called "COVID-19" is all a big lie spread in furtherance of the huge, vast, enormous, secret, hidden, covert, conspiratorial plot the wacko, loony, crazy, left-wing, liberal, socialist, pinko, commies who are a part of the to force a coup against [COLOR"Only ="#FF0000"]DONALD[/COLOR] JOHN TRUMP whom God guided Americans into choosing as THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA so that THE UNITED! STATES OF AMERICA! could fulfill its God Mandated role as the Saviour of Mankind and who want to impose Sherry Law (with its mandatory same-sex, inter-racial, marriages and forced abortions of all white, male, pre-born, children AND compulsory autism causing vaccinations) on America so that all the Cheerleaders would have to wear Burke Hats and football would be banned because it uses pig skin.
Statistically, minority populations are more hesitant about getting the vaccine than the few people in claque trump. And minority populations need it the most. But still, no riots, even though healthy 30 year olds are getting it and frail 70 year olds are left waiting. I don't forsee any riots as the vaccine becomes MORE available than it is now.
 

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Scientists from China have called on all countries to suspend vaccination with Pfizer drugs due to mass deaths after vaccinations.
According to the Global Times, Chinese immunologists believe that the new vaccine was developed in a hurry and has never been used on a large scale
 

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We're going to have to learn all over how to watch our presidents making realistic projections, aren't we?
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The Bloomberg vaccination tracker shows approximately 31 million doses have been shipped to states; less than half have been reported shot into arms

We are already ADMINISTERING a million doses a day. 300 million "ready" in January is likely.
 

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Ah geez, Biden appoints to asst secretary of health, the Pennsylvania Health Secretary who ordered nursing homes to accept Covid patients. But that's not important. All that matters is he is transgendered

 

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Scientists from China have called on all countries to suspend vaccination with Pfizer drugs due to mass deaths after vaccinations.
According to the Global Times, Chinese immunologists believe that the new vaccine was developed in a hurry and has never been used on a large scale
Communist propaganda designed to facilitate the spread of their virus
 

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Statistically, minority populations are more hesitant about getting the vaccine than the few people in claque trump.
Since you persist in ignoring the fact that "Those People" and "Claque Trump" have almost the same hesitancy about getting the vaccine, there is really no way to discuss this rationally with you.

And minority populations need it the most.
Where I live I am a member of the minority (I happen to have a low level of melanin in my epidermis). Does that mean that I should get the vaccine before someone who is in the majority?

But still, no riots, even though healthy 30 year olds are getting it and frail 70 year olds are left waiting. I don't forsee any riots as the vaccine becomes MORE available than it is now.
If the vaccine becomes MORE available than it is now then the odds of there being riots because people can't get it most certainly will go down.
 

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Scientists from China have called on all countries to suspend vaccination with Pfizer drugs due to mass deaths after vaccinations.
According to the Global Times, Chinese immunologists believe that the new vaccine was developed in a hurry and has never been used on a large scale
I believe that you are referring to


Unfortunately Global Times is a rather suspect source based on the promotion of Pro-Chinese Government propaganda. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to bias by omission as well as failed fact checks.
 
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