State sponsored segregation (1 Viewer)

[americanwoman]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/4/14/85020.shtml?s=us


Here in my state they are trying to divide my city's school distirct into three different sections which would really be segregating the schools. Whats laughable at this is the people who are crying that it's racist don't realize it's already segregated in this city. White people live out west, blacks to the norths, and hispanics in the south.
So does anyone find this racist? I live in the "hispanic" part of town and I am a little torn. In one way it may be good because if it's split there may be more of a chance to help the inner city school to do better if they have their own district but on the other hand it does seem harsh to really draw the line that divides us here.

 

[FallingPianos]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/4/14/85020.shtml?s=us


Here in my state they are trying to divide my city's school distirct into three different sections which would really be segregating the schools. Whats laughable at this is the people who are crying that it's racist don't realize it's already segregated in this city. White people live out west, blacks to the norths, and hispanics in the south.
So does anyone find this racist? I live in the "hispanic" part of town and I am a little torn. In one way it may be good because if it's split there may be more of a chance to help the inner city school to do better if they have their own district but on the other hand it does seem harsh to really draw the line that divides us here.

reminds me of my neighborhood elementry school. the boundry lines are drawn really weirdly so that a bunch of hispanic kids that live a few blocks away from another elementry school, go to the one in my neighborhood. I live in a white middle class neighborhood, but 70% of the students at the school are hispanic. its also over crowded. kids cant go to recess at lunch because the play ground would be too crowded.

 

[PeteEU]

Its a universal problem.

In Denmark (and I suspect many other places too) parents often pull thier children out of one school where the percentage of second or third generation non native danes (mostly turks) is high, because of the fear that thier children will be left behind because of the relative low educational skills of the second or third generation non native danes (dispite many of them being born in the country...). This in turn creates whole schools where non native danes account for over 70% (a few 100%) of the students and that requires more and more resources in special danish classes and other classes. It also adds pressure from the parents of these non native danes to the school boards to add islamic studies and such (and in extreme cases to segregate boys and girls).. thankfully thats against the law so they are turned down. Instead they start up private schoosl with such things and they are closed down (or threatened to be closed down) as they do not meet the minimum national requirments on types and numbers of studies and so on.

To combat such things, children are offered by the state to be bussed to other schools outside thier local area so to "spread" the non native student population around. That is taken up by some, but not by all and is expensive. These so called "seregated" schools often lie in areas where non native danes choose to live by the local goverment in some way.. the so called ghetto. And that is dispite public policy not to create ghettos.

I doubt that there is a solution.. people of similar race, religion or nationality tend to stick together and create ghettos. We see it in Europe and in the US, even if some politicans and people are in total denial of the situation.

 

[americanwoman]

Yeah we used to have the whole bussing kids to other neighborhoods here but a few years ago they passed a law to mostly do away with that. Now here you can't go to a better school even if you want it. It's a very true situation how cities are often segregated and as was stated most politicians are blind to it and create their own legislation. The guy who proposed the bill here, Sen. Ernie Chambers, is seen by alot of whites as racist but he is really trying to help his own people. I was born here in what some may call a ghetto but I love it and feel safer here, maybe because I'm with my own kind. I guess people do that because when you go out to the 'rich part of town' people look down on you and treat you like dirt just because of who you are.

 

[Watson]

Where I live we have the School Choice program you can pick a school and a bus will pick you up and return you at the end of the day; as long as your in the district you can pick any school. The hole idea is really nice until you have a 70 passenger bus carrying only 4 kids. And you have an over-crowded school in one place and an empty school in another. luckily this program is ending soon.

 

[FallingPianos]

Where I live we have the School Choice program you can pick a school and a bus will pick you up and return you at the end of the day; as long as your in the district you can pick any school. The hole idea is really nice until you have a 70 passenger bus carrying only 4 kids. And you have an over-crowded school in one place and an empty school in another. luckily this program is ending soon.

I like the idea, but there needs to be a lottery to determain which kids can go to the better schools if they are filled. school districts can then model the poor schools after the ones that parents are requesting their kids go to.

 

[Watson]

I am not sure a lottery would be the best solution. I also do not think modeling poor schools after the great schools is any better. What works for some schools may not work for others. The poorer schools should be improved though.