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State of the Oceans 2013

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Looks like a new comprehensive report on the state of the worlds Oceans has been released. Of course, this is from scientists, so the deniers that have overrun this section can just skip it.

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/03/the_oceans_are_deteriorating_more_quickly_than_we_thought/

Its not good.

Between deoxygenation, acidification (from all the CO2 we are pumping into them) and warming, An already massive extinction is taking place. Add that on to the massive overfishing we are doing for the top species - virtual disappearance of many fish and whale species, and the amount of fertilizers and farm runoff that is destroying our river deltas, its not pretty.

From the article:


A “deadly trio” of warming, deoxygenation and increased acidification combined, the report found, are posing an even greater threat to the oceans than they would alone. While the carbon absorbed from the atmosphere promotes increased warming and acidification, pollution from sewage and fertilizer is creating algae blooms that decrease the oceans’ levels of oxygen. The report found that overfishing, too, threatens marine life.

The acidification, specifically, is “unprecedented in the Earth’s known history,” says the report, which found that the oceans are more acidic now than they’ve been for the past 300 million years. And carbon is being released into the ocean at a rate 10 times more quickly than the last time there was a major collapse of ocean species, 55 million years ago. As a result, the authors write, they have reason to believe that “the next mass extinction may have already begun.”
 

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Looks like a new comprehensive report on the state of the worlds Oceans has been released. Of course, this is from scientists, so the deniers that have overrun this section can just skip it.

The oceans are deteriorating more quickly than we thought - Salon.com

Its not good.

Between deoxygenation, acidification (from all the CO2 we are pumping into them) and warming, An already massive extinction is taking place. Add that on to the massive overfishing we are doing for the top species - virtual disappearance of many fish and whale species, and the amount of fertilizers and farm runoff that is destroying our river deltas, its not pretty.

From the article:


A “deadly trio” of warming, deoxygenation and increased acidification combined, the report found, are posing an even greater threat to the oceans than they would alone. While the carbon absorbed from the atmosphere promotes increased warming and acidification, pollution from sewage and fertilizer is creating algae blooms that decrease the oceans’ levels of oxygen. The report found that overfishing, too, threatens marine life.

The acidification, specifically, is “unprecedented in the Earth’s known history,” says the report, which found that the oceans are more acidic now than they’ve been for the past 300 million years. And carbon is being released into the ocean at a rate 10 times more quickly than the last time there was a major collapse of ocean species, 55 million years ago. As a result, the authors write, they have reason to believe that “the next mass extinction may have already begun.”

Dude that's an article on another of your lefty blogs.. Stop calling blog material "from scientists".. It's lying...
 

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Looks like a new comprehensive report on the state of the worlds Oceans has been released. Of course, this is from scientists, so the deniers that have overrun this section can just skip it.

The oceans are deteriorating more quickly than we thought - Salon.com

Its not good.

Between deoxygenation, acidification (from all the CO2 we are pumping into them) and warming, An already massive extinction is taking place. Add that on to the massive overfishing we are doing for the top species - virtual disappearance of many fish and whale species, and the amount of fertilizers and farm runoff that is destroying our river deltas, its not pretty.

From the article:


A “deadly trio” of warming, deoxygenation and increased acidification combined, the report found, are posing an even greater threat to the oceans than they would alone. While the carbon absorbed from the atmosphere promotes increased warming and acidification, pollution from sewage and fertilizer is creating algae blooms that decrease the oceans’ levels of oxygen. The report found that overfishing, too, threatens marine life.

The acidification, specifically, is “unprecedented in the Earth’s known history,” says the report, which found that the oceans are more acidic now than they’ve been for the past 300 million years. And carbon is being released into the ocean at a rate 10 times more quickly than the last time there was a major collapse of ocean species, 55 million years ago. As a result, the authors write, they have reason to believe that “the next mass extinction may have already begun.”




Salon? Good one! Must be a peer reviewed coffee table you were waiting at.

The actual scientist who is doing the research says two things: The water that is shallow enough to measure is being affected by fertilizer run off, as we have discussed here before. In the water that is too deep to measure and almost all of the ocean he says, "We have a very poor grasp of some of the biochemical processes in the world's biggest ecosystem."

In other words, in those areas they can actual check, your cause is not THE cause. In the rest of the ocean, they have no clue how it works. Sound familiar? By now, it should.

From a link in the article:

Rate of ocean acidification due to carbon emissions is at highest for 300m years | Environment | The Guardian

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The IPSO report also found the oceans were being "deoxygenated" – their average oxygen content is likely to fall by as much as 7 per cent by 2100, partly because of the run-off of fertilisers and sewage into the seas, and also as a side-effect of global warming. The reduction of oxygen is a concern as areas of severe depletion become effectively dead.

Rogers said: "People are just not aware of the massive roles that the oceans play in the Earth's systems. Phytoplankton produce 40 per cent of the oxygen in the atmosphere, for example, and 90 per cent of all life is in the oceans. Because the oceans are so vast, there are still areas we have never really seen. We have a very poor grasp of some of the biochemical processes in the world's biggest ecosystem."
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You should keep trying, though. It's fun to watch.
 

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Between deoxygenation, acidification (from all the CO2 we are pumping into them) and warming,

When you start with an assumption, as fact, you will be ignored!
 

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When you start with an assumption, as fact, you will be ignored!

Your ignoring this is not really a negative.

I just assumed you were busy writing up your groundbreaking paper 'proving' CO2 doesn't warm the earth. I'm sure the scientific community will be amazed as a guy who fixes machines (but they're really big, important machines!) proves 150 years of basic science wrong.
 

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Your ignoring this is not really a negative.

I just assumed you were busy writing up your groundbreaking paper 'proving' CO2 doesn't warm the earth. I'm sure the scientific community will be amazed as a guy who fixes machines (but they're really big, important machines!) proves 150 years of basic science wrong.



The science isn't wrong. The propagandists are wrong.

Science is what it is. Astrology is what it is. AGW Science is to actual, real science what astrology is to neurosurgery.
 

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The science isn't wrong. The propagandists are wrong.

Science is what it is. Astrology is what it is. AGW Science is to actual, real science what astrology is to neurosurgery.

Then why doesn't AAAS agree with you? PNAS? Nature?
 

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Looks like a new comprehensive report on the state of the worlds Oceans has been released. Of course, this is from scientists, so the deniers that have overrun this section can just skip it.

The oceans are deteriorating more quickly than we thought - Salon.com

Its not good.

Between deoxygenation, acidification (from all the CO2 we are pumping into them) and warming, An already massive extinction is taking place. Add that on to the massive overfishing we are doing for the top species - virtual disappearance of many fish and whale species, and the amount of fertilizers and farm runoff that is destroying our river deltas, its not pretty.

From the article:


A “deadly trio” of warming, deoxygenation and increased acidification combined, the report found, are posing an even greater threat to the oceans than they would alone. While the carbon absorbed from the atmosphere promotes increased warming and acidification, pollution from sewage and fertilizer is creating algae blooms that decrease the oceans’ levels of oxygen. The report found that overfishing, too, threatens marine life.

The acidification, specifically, is “unprecedented in the Earth’s known history,” says the report, which found that the oceans are more acidic now than they’ve been for the past 300 million years. And carbon is being released into the ocean at a rate 10 times more quickly than the last time there was a major collapse of ocean species, 55 million years ago. As a result, the authors write, they have reason to believe that “the next mass extinction may have already begun.”
Well, you called it on the stupid coming out in force. I guess, for them, the fact that the article is written by a third party and isn't a direct c&p from a research paper written at the Ohio State University means it can be ignored. Well, they'd ignore the OSU report too, come to think of it.

No oceans in Ohio ;)
 

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Well, you called it on the stupid coming out in force. I guess, for them, the fact that the article is written by a third party and isn't a direct c&p from a research paper written at the Ohio State University means it can be ignored. Well, they'd ignore the OSU report too, come to think of it.

No oceans in Ohio ;)

There are quite literally dozens of reports contradicting the findings of this one. Only the 'stupid' would ignore that fact

C3: ? Are Coral Reefs Dying/Endangered
 

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There are quite literally dozens of reports contradicting the findings of this one. Only the 'stupid' would ignore that fact

C3: ? Are Coral Reefs Dying/Endangered

So, in short, it kills the adults but may not harm some of the offspring, which evolve to cope with acidic water.

Nothing to see here. Just evolution at work. Move along.

At least it's some good news. But...we all knew the ocean would not end up lifeless, just different. Hell, life in the ocean survived the snowball earth and the Permian Extinction.
 

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So, in short, it kills the adults but may not harm some of the offspring, which evolve to cope with acidic water.

Nothing to see here. Just evolution at work. Move along.

At least it's some good news. But...we all knew the ocean would not end up lifeless, just different. Hell, life in the ocean survived the snowball earth and the Permian Extinction.

Not exactly.. One of the studies found this...

The two Japanese researchers found that these "key physiological parameters" were not affected by either predicted mid-range CO2 concentrations (pCO2 = 744 ppm, pH = 7.97, Ωarag = 2.6) or by high CO2 concentrations (pCO2 = 2,142 ppm, pH = 7.56, Ωarag = 1.1) over the 35-day period of their experiment. In addition, they state that there was "no significant correlation between calcification rate and seawater aragonite saturation (Ωarag)" and "no evidence of CO2 impact on bleaching."

Again he pointed out there were a lot of studies which contradict the implications... Picking one and saying "nothing to see here" is akin to putting your fingers in your ears and going "la la la"...
 

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Not exactly.. One of the studies found this...



Again he pointed out there were a lot of studies which contradict the implications... Picking one and saying "nothing to see here" is akin to putting your fingers in your ears and going "la la la"...
You're focusing on only CO2 levels in water. Talk about cherry picking. :roll:

The op brought up half a dozen problems, from temperature increases and over-fishing to algae blooms and desalinization off the continental shelves. CO2 levels increasing in the water is but a minor player here.
 

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You're focusing on only CO2 levels in water. Talk about cherry picking. :roll:

The op brought up half a dozen problems, from temperature increases and over-fishing to algae blooms and desalinization off the continental shelves. CO2 levels increasing in the water is but a minor player here.

And nowhere did I say CO2 was a problem... I'm not sure what your point is, what your argument is here... Are you claiming CO2 levels are contributing to lower ocean PH and thereby harm the shell forming sea life, or are you claiming the opposite?

Your previous post lend the idea you agree with the claim, but now you seem to oppose it.. Unless I misunderstood, which is entirely possible.. For the record, I think the entire ocean acidification due to CO2 is complete nonsense.
 

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And nowhere did I say CO2 was a problem... I'm not sure what your point is, what your argument is here... Are you claiming CO2 levels are contributing to lower ocean PH and thereby harm the shell forming sea life, or are you claiming the opposite?

Your previous post lend the idea you agree with the claim, but now you seem to oppose it.. Unless I misunderstood, which is entirely possible.. For the record, I think the entire ocean acidification due to CO2 is complete nonsense.

I'm saying that the problem with the oceans is a lot bigger than coral reef dying or shells softening. It's the accumulation of needles on the haystack we have heaped on the backs of our seas. We are perilously close to running out of fish to eat, the plankton population has crashed, algae blooms are exploding, and we may see a significant shift in currents over the next decade that will be devastating. There is also the small matter of seal levels rising and ice shelves breaking off.

One or two positive studies, though perhaps nice to see, are a far cry from hearing the "all clear" sirens.
 

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I'm saying that the problem with the oceans is a lot bigger than coral reef dying or shells softening. It's the accumulation of needles on the haystack we have heaped on the backs of our seas. We are perilously close to running out of fish to eat, the plankton population has crashed, algae blooms are exploding, and we may see a significant shift in currents over the next decade that will be devastating. There is also the small matter of seal levels rising and ice shelves breaking off.

LOL, okay so then you are just saying the world is ending and we are doomed and it's because of pretty much everything.. Nice to see you aren't letting things get you down..
 

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LOL, okay so then you are just saying the world is ending and we are doomed and it's because of pretty much everything.. Nice to see you aren't letting things get you down..

Nothing gets me down. I'm 50. By the time SHTF, I'll be back in diapers.

I'm just calling your bull**** for what it is.
 

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Nothing gets me down. I'm 50. By the time SHTF, I'll be back in diapers.

I'm just calling your bull**** for what it is.

Nah, It's not my bs, it's yours... The world's gonna be fine. We might not be, but the world will.. But hey, you can go on worrying over everything the media tells you is the end. You just named off a lot of things that may or not be a problem, as if they are without a doubt a problem.. So it's your BS not mine..
 

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Nah, It's not my bs, it's yours... The world's gonna be fine. We might not be, but the world will.. But hey, you can go on worrying over everything the media tells you is the end. You just named off a lot of things that may or not be a problem, as if they are without a doubt a problem.. So it's your BS not mine..

Denying there is a problem by citing one study showing that one area might not be a problem is the BS
 

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Nah, It's not my bs, it's yours... The world's gonna be fine. We might not be, but the world will.. But hey, you can go on worrying over everything the media tells you is the end. You just named off a lot of things that may or not be a problem, as if they are without a doubt a problem.. So it's your BS not mine..

If you ignore the life below the surface of the ocean....yeah. The ocean will be just fine. You won't notice a difference. And it won't affect you, because as we know, your well being is paramount.
 

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So, in short, it kills the adults but may not harm some of the offspring, which evolve to cope with acidic water.

Nothing to see here. Just evolution at work. Move along.

At least it's some good news. But...we all knew the ocean would not end up lifeless, just different. Hell, life in the ocean survived the snowball earth and the Permian Extinction.

I see my linked articles and studies made a big impression ..... not :roll:
 

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I see my linked articles and studies made a big impression ..... not :roll:

You mean the few articles picking at the edges of issues and clarifying severity of AGW which was juxtaposed by a comprehensive report on the State of the Oceans?

It made more than the impression it deserved.
 

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You mean the few articles picking at the edges of issues and clarifying severity of AGW which was juxtaposed by a comprehensive report on the State of the Oceans?

It made more than the impression it deserved.
What I noticed is their only link to CO2 was from them implying that climate change is caused primarily by CO2.
 

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Denying there is a problem by citing one study showing that one area might not be a problem is the BS

He didn't cite ONE study his link was to a page listing several. Also YOU cited one study, and I reciprocated in kind.. Lastly, you just cited virtually everything as a problem, I'd call that being a bit on the ridiculous side..
 
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