1.)Don't know actually. Like I said I was answering for me, not him.
2.)Us, we... the black citizens of the United States of which I am also one. It is a figurative statement, not literal.
3.)Then you are in denial. They have large followings in the black community. Does not matter based on your anecdotal evidence.
4.) In the black community he is not seen as a leader, he is seen as some kind of Messiah, yet very few are trying to emulate him.
5.)Don't get me wrong, as far as his accomplishments go, he is to be commended.
6.) Unfortunatly to the average black person on the street it means little.
7.) They ask what can he do for me rather than, what can we do for ourselves.
8.) This is not leadership in the black community.
9.) Obviously I don't speak for the black community, and it is just my opinion.
10.) There are many. If you have to ask me who they are... You have some reading to do.
11.) They are role models for success just as Clarence Thomas, President Obama, Colin Powell etc.
12.) Young black men need to emulate them and not Hip Hop artists and ghetto thugs who call our women ho's and act like having sex makes you a man.
13.) We all have our own bigotries, it is human nature. I would rather see him as my kids role model vs say Snoop Dogg. I even like Snoop Dogg's music, he is just not a role model and yet youth idolize people like him.
14.)I agree and already said this. He is too over the top for me.
15.) That is simply not true.
16.) I think that is naive on your part.
17.)True. I am basing my opinion on my 50+ years on this planet and working to improve the black community. So I don't necessarily disagree at a basic level, but again some of your observations are I think biased. I don't think either of us can be that objective as we are both to close so to speak.
18.)I think he is as biased as you or I. It's just like (you or I again) based on opinion derived from what we have experienced, learned and seen in our lives. Can't fault someone for that.
1.) well if he was thats dumb because its factually not true
2.) yes, so? I am agent J you are black mantra, in reality there isnt a we on this regard as most of us are not the same nor have the same views etc etc etc
3.) not in denial at all, their following doesn mean jack to me or reality, they are not "black" leaders in reality any more than ted nugent is a white leader.
4.) what black community? i know a couple loons that view him that way(messiah) and they were nuts before he existed on the political seen.
I know lots that view him becoming president as historical(which it is)
i know plenty that do use him as a role model in the sense that it it can actually happen
5.) of course
6.) whats the avg black person in your opinion because i know more that it does mean to than it doesnt. and the ones it doesnt mean anythign to, NOTHING means anything to them and it never will.
7.) again, this is not the avg black i know anywhere ive been.
8.) you are right because thats not leadership in any community
9.) yes thats very obvious
10.) so you dont know, ok, i figured that much
if you do please tell me who the white, latino, and asian leaders are.
11.) so you dont know why they should be leaders? i didnt think so
as to them being role models im fine with that on a limited bases just like i am any and all role models
12.) im unaware of some many young black man TRULY believe that and emulating that, do you or have you ever lived in a "black community" you know its just like any other community right? you got your ranges of incomes you civil and uncivil and your good guys and buy guys.
When i was young and even today I LOVE hip-hop, but im not an idiot im a normal person so i knew its just music/entertainment. ALso for the record there are plenty of music artist that i would be fine with my kids looking up to. Painting them with blanket statements is just a silly as painting the community or leaders with blanket statements.
13.) this isnt choice A or B, west is a bigot and id never want him as a role model. and youd be hard pressed to find a factually bigotry with me
14.) no he shouldnt
15.) actually its 100% fact and common sense, nobody speaks for blacks just like nobody speaks for whites, its inane to think so. Blacks are different people just like everybody else they are some collective bee hive.
16.) nope its reality, anybody that think so is severely misguided, uneducated on the subject and is part of the problem.
17.) its not biased to judge a person as a person, it is biased to judge blacks as one person. so theres no biased on my end.
18.) biased and uneducated on the issues. You maybe i dont know, me, no im not biased im reality based. a person is a person they are a collective as the OP tried to paint them.
using the OPs logic and some of yours i could say pat robertson is the white leader, and speaks for whites, that bigot has probably a million "followers"
theres also a town by me that has one of the worse crimes in the nation is majority white and its white crime, outside the town is what people would call sterotypical hicks, this my life experience, this is the life i live but im not stupid, biased and ignorant enough to think thats how "whites" are.(not calling you thos things either just stating what doesnt allow me to think that way and see reality) all the dirty faced kids running around walmart like they have no couth, some of them look inbred and might be. very busy on government check day, dont know how many of them have handicapped medallions and park in handicap parking and there doesnt seem like theres anything wrong with them. many of them are grandfathers/grandmothers before 40 and have kids to multiple dads/women themselves. no education, no job and criminal records. Some of them obviously idolize country stars or hiphop stars themselves. Drop f-bombs in front of their kids and in public and the kids drop f-bombs too. all looking for excuses and something free.
BUT again that wouldnt make me think all "white people" are this way or say the white community based on them etc etc etc
i simply get reality and even though ive been exposed to the community most my life, i understand they doesn't represent all their race.
They are just PEOPLE, some effected by upbringing (lack there of) circumstance, finance etc etc and some make it out of that life
people are just people, the solution is to TRY and address the problems (poverty, education, health, environment etc) not race because these things effect all of us and could have any race looking like a stereotypical "thug/gangster" "redneck, toothless inbred" and race will be a smaller part of it compared to the aforementioned.
sorry i just dont buy off on the OP because i cant be that ignorant on the subject.
look at us, supposedly you are black, we dont agree so how do we have a leader? who is "our" role model etc etc its nonsense. You are you and i am me.