State Department: White House gift records for Trump, Pence missing

[Chomsky]

State Department: White House gift records for Trump, Pence missing

The department says the Executive Office of the President did not submit information about gifts received by Trump and his family from foreign leaders in 2020.

www.politico.com

The State Department says it is unable to compile a complete and accurate accounting of gifts presented to former President Donald Trump and other U.S. officials by foreign governments during Trump’s final year in office, citing missing data from the White House.

The State Department report comes as House lawmakers have opened an investigation into reports that Trump had taken boxes of classified materials with him to his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida after leaving office last year. The National Archives and Records Administration has asked the Justice Department to look into the matter.

The House panel investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol, meanwhile, has identified an almost 8-hour gap in official White House records of Trump’s phone calls as the violence unfolded and his supporters stormed the building, according to two people familiar with the probe.

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Coincidences! Always, "coincidences"!

Please pardon some of us that believe these 'coincidences' strain the bounds of credulity!

I see only four possibilities:

1] Gross Incompetence
2] Gross Negligence
3] Willful Negligence
4] Overt Subterfuge

None of these are good . . .

 

[MaryP]

State Department: White House gift records for Trump, Pence missing

The department says the Executive Office of the President did not submit information about gifts received by Trump and his family from foreign leaders in 2020.

www.politico.com

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Coincidences! Always, "coincidences"!

Please pardon some of us that believe these 'coincidences' strain the bounds of credulity!

I see only four possibilities:

1] Gross Incompetence
2] Gross Negligence
3] Willful Negligence
4] Overt Subterfuge

None of these are good . . .

Have they checked the plumbing?

Joking. He probably fired whoever kept the list and the newbie didn't get told about that one. Or he/someone got a gift they really wanted to keep, so that list was scuppered. We know he took some home, so can't you just imagine him ordering them to quit with that damned list?

We know the gap in switchboard records wasn't unusual, but his diarist calling in sick that day is kind of "coincidental," isn't it? She/he would have recorded who he spoke with in the daily diary.

 

[Chomsky]

Have they checked the plumbing?

Joking. He probably fired whoever kept the list and the newbie didn't get told about that one. Or he/someone got a gift they really wanted to keep, so that list was scuppered. We know he took some home, so can't you just imagine him ordering them to quit with that damned list?

We know the gap in switchboard records wasn't unusual, but his diarist calling in sick that day is kind of "coincidental," isn't it? She/he would have recorded who he spoke with in the daily diary.

There's just too many 'coincidences' with the guy.

Whatever the reason, none of them are good, which is why he needs to be kept out of office.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Well, when you staff with thieves, thugs, family, neophytes, chancers, slackers, dummies and fools…

 

[Cardinal]

State Department: White House gift records for Trump, Pence missing

The department says the Executive Office of the President did not submit information about gifts received by Trump and his family from foreign leaders in 2020.

www.politico.com

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Coincidences! Always, "coincidences"!

Please pardon some of us that believe these 'coincidences' strain the bounds of credulity!

I see only four possibilities:

1] Gross Incompetence
2] Gross Negligence
3] Willful Negligence
4] Overt Subterfuge

None of these are good . . .

There's a reason why incompetence and negligence don't work as explanations: the trumps only* commit crimes that require proving mens rea. No human being can rationally accept that extraordinary a coincidence. So that leaves overt subterfuge.

*Well, there's the rape thing too, but that's a notoriously difficult crime to prosecute for it's own set of reasons.

 

[CaughtInThe]

****ing thieves.

 

[mike2810]

/Sarcasm on
Trump:
But, But, the gifts were given to me. Not the people of the US. but ME. They are mine. As such no records were needed.

 

[Chomsky]

There's a reason why incompetence and negligence don't work as explanations: the trumps only* commit crimes that require proving mens rea. No human being can rationally accept that extraordinary a coincidence. So that leaves overt subterfuge.

*Well, there's the rape thing too, but that's a notoriously difficult crime to prosecute for it's own set of reasons.

And I would also say it's further than a men's rea defense. Essentially, they seem to be destroying or withholding evidence, even if the mechanics of it are in not documenting the evidence initially. But it's not just their not documenting evidence, but they're willfully destroying, deleting, or absconding with it!

Then we get into even worse scenarios! What was Trump doing with all those boxes of documents he removed from the WH to Mar A Lago? Was he offering them to the highest bidder? There's some reason he brought them there, but didn't destroy them. If they were evidence against him, he would have destroyed them.

 

[Cardinal]

And I would also say it's further than a men's rea defense. Essentially, they seem to be destroying or withholding evidence, even if the mechanics of it are in not documenting the evidence initially. But it's not just their not documenting evidence, but they're willfully destroying, deleting, or absconding with it!

Then we get into even worse scenarios! What was Trumping doing with all those boxes of documents he removed from the WH to Mar A Lago? Was he offering them to the highest bidder? There's some reason he brought them there, but didn't destroy them. If they were evidence against him, he would have destroyed them.

Which was exactly a point I made in the thread I started on the DOJ investigating him for that incident. Why was Trump so cooperative in returning the boxes of documents, and there are only three possible explanations:

1) He found compromising records and destroyed them.
2) He looked through the records and found no compromising records (I find this very unlikely).
3) He decided the records weren't "spicy" enough to profit off.

 

[Chomsky]

Which was exactly a point I made in the thread I started on the DOJ investigating him for that incident. Why was Trump so cooperative in returning the boxes of documents, and there are only three possible explanations:

1) He found compromising records and destroyed them.

Quite likely.

2) He looked through the records and found no compromising records (I find this very unlikely).

Right!

3) He decided the records weren't "spicy" enough to profit off.

What makes you so sure he hasn't safely spirited away the valuable stuff?

 

[Cardinal]

Quite likely.



Right!



What makes you so sure he hasn't safely spirited away the valuable stuff?

Quite true.

 

[HangLow]

State Department: White House gift records for Trump, Pence missing

The department says the Executive Office of the President did not submit information about gifts received by Trump and his family from foreign leaders in 2020.

www.politico.com

Coincidences! Always, "coincidences"!
Please pardon some of us that believe these 'coincidences' strain the bounds of credulity!
I see only four possibilities:
1] Gross Incompetence
2] Gross Negligence
3] Willful Negligence
4] Overt Subterfuge
None of these are good . . .

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[Plasmaball]

We all know what happened

 

[The Mark]

Is the price for not reporting those gifts less than the value of the gifts?

If so, you have your answer.


Edit: To clarify, the price to whoever is currently benefiting from those gifts. If it's just one of their flunkies they can throw under the bus who will pay, it doesn't count.

 

[NuffSaid]

Gifts included 10% “for the Big Guy (Trump)”

 

[TomFitz]

Is the price for not reporting those gifts less than the value of the gifts?

If so, you have your answer.


Edit: To clarify, the price to whoever is currently benefiting from those gifts. If it's just one of their flunkies they can throw under the bus who will pay, it doesn't count.

Taht’s never the operative question with trump.

The operative question is “Do I think I can get away with it?” (And Trump always answered that question with a yes).

 

[code1211]

State Department: White House gift records for Trump, Pence missing

The department says the Executive Office of the President did not submit information about gifts received by Trump and his family from foreign leaders in 2020.

www.politico.com

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Coincidences! Always, "coincidences"!

Please pardon some of us that believe these 'coincidences' strain the bounds of credulity!

I see only four possibilities:

1] Gross Incompetence
2] Gross Negligence
3] Willful Negligence
4] Overt Subterfuge

None of these are good . . .

Or it could be yet another unjustified witch hunt conducted by unethical and corrupt political hacks trying to distract from the failings of their own incompetence.

 

[Lycanthrope]

EHRMAGERD LIBZ HAZ DA TDS U NO GO A DAY WIFOUT TDS MAKIN U CRZY

(Saving our Trump devotees here a little time)

 

[RAMOSS]

Or it could be yet another unjustified witch hunt conducted by unethical and corrupt political hacks trying to distract from the failings of their own incompetence.

Considering Trumps history, probably not.

 

[poweRob]

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It's okay because he's a republican.

 

[Chomsky]

Or it could be yet another unjustified witch hunt conducted by unethical and corrupt political hacks trying to distract from the failings of their own incompetence.

Seems like really reaching, here.

 

[Schism]

Which was exactly a point I made in the thread I started on the DOJ investigating him for that incident. Why was Trump so cooperative in returning the boxes of documents, and there are only three possible explanations:

1) He found compromising records and destroyed them.
2) He looked through the records and found no compromising records (I find this very unlikely).
3) He decided the records weren't "spicy" enough to profit off.

LOL! "Arrest that man holding a Big Mac and a 9-iron!"

"The Russians have Kompromat; will be released any day!"
"Avanati and Stormy have the evidence!"
"Michael Cohen knows where the bodies are!"
"As soon as we get Trump's taxes he's toast!"
"7 hours of phone logs!"

 

[D_NATURED]

LOL! "Arrest that man holding a Big Mac and a 9-iron!"

"The Russians have Kompromat; will be released any day!"
"Avanati and Stormy have the evidence!"
"Michael Cohen knows where the bodies are!"
"As soon as we get Trump's taxes he's toast!"
"7 hours of phone logs!"

From the song, When a Man Loves a Woman:

"If she is bad, he can't see it
She can do no wrong
And turn his back on his best friend
If he puts her down"

...except in this case the woman is Trump and the best friend is your country. You should be ashamed to list half a dozen of Trump's crimes and then play dumb about it. All your list shows is how shameless a criminal Trump is and how well his cult is self-deluded.

 

[Schism]

From the song, When a Man Loves a Woman:

"If she is bad, he can't see it
She can do no wrong
And turn his back on his best friend
If he puts her down"

...except in this case the woman is Trump and the best friend is your country. You should be ashamed to list half a dozen of Trump's crimes and then play dumb about it. All your list shows is how shameless a criminal Trump is and how well his cult is self-deluded.

The left have made hundreds of accusations about Trump, none of which have seen the inside of a courtroom.

Keep singing the hits though! 60's music rules!

 

[upsideguy]

Or it could be yet another unjustified witch hunt conducted by unethical and corrupt political hacks trying to distract from the failings of their own incompetence.

Yeah, right.... I have always hated the saying "where there is smoke, there is fire", except here. There is so much smoke around Donald Trump you would have to be a ignorant fool to just ignore it (ignorant -- ignore, same root).

Not one investigation, that I am aware of, concerning Donald Trump has been a "witch hunt".... they have all turned up wrong doing and often crimes.

President Trump's staggering record of uncharged criminal misconduct - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

Donald Trump has been credibly accused of committing at least 48 criminal offenses while president or campaigning for the presidency.

www.citizensforethics.org

Possible Federal and State Crimes | ACS

www.acslaw.org

Federal Judge Finds Trump Most Likely Committed Crimes Over 2020 Election

“The illegality of the plan was obvious,” the judge wrote in a civil case. Separately, the Jan. 6 panel voted to recommend contempt of Congress charges for two former Trump aides.

www.nytimes.com

Donald J. Trump Pays Court-Ordered $2 Million For Illegally Using Trump Foundation Funds | New York State Attorney General

ag.ny.gov

Ex-prosecutor says Donald Trump is 'guilty of numerous felony violations'

The letter came from Mark Pomerantz, who along with his co-leader in the Trump probe, resigned in February over the future of the case.

www.npr.org

Federal court approves $25 million Trump University settlement

A federal court approved a $25 million settlement with students who said they were duped by Donald Trump and his now-defunct Trump University.

www.nbcnews.com

When you continue to defend the indefensible you start to look foolish. I would save your credibility capital for someone that deserves it.