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State Department to charge some travelers $10,000 bond to get visas

Airyaman

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The message to foreigners who want to come to America to stay for an extended period: don't. We don't really want you here.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/04/state-department-visa-bonds-00492077

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Seriously, who would want to have to fork over $10k just for a visa to come to a country that is hostile to foreigners?

Find someone else to spend your time, America is no longer a place welcome to all.
 
The US isn't hostile to foreigners. It's hostile to people who over-stay their visas.
 
Mycroft said:
The US isn't hostile to foreigners. It's hostile to people who over-stay their visas.
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So penalize people who aren't going to overstay their visas by making them put up $10k first?

Yeah, that's a big "FU" to foreigners.
 
It is returned to them when they go home. I don't see a problem. If they have enough to come here and visit, this shouldn't be a problem.

I hope it also applies to H series Visas and that the employer pays that.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
It is returned to them when they go home. I don;t see a problem. If they have enough to come here and visit, this shouldn't be a problem.

I hope it also applies to H series Visas and that the employer pays that.
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Sure, everyone has an extra $10k lying around on top of the money they need to travel and stay her for awhile.

What they are saying is that they only want wealthy foreigners to visit.
 
Airyaman said:
So penalize people who aren't going to overstay their visas by making them put up $10k first?

Yeah, that's a big "FU" to foreigners.
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Only foreigners who come from areas where a lot of people who over-stay their visas come from.
 
Mycroft said:
Only foreigners who come from areas where a lot of people who over-stay their visas come from.
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So it's their fault they live in those countries?
 
America to world sporting federations: please don't select American cities to host world tourneys.
 
Airyaman said:
So it's their fault they live in those countries?
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shrug...

Some might think this sucks, but their own countrymen are the reason it's happening.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It is returned to them when they go home. I don't see a problem. If they have enough to come here and visit, this shouldn't be a problem.

I hope it also applies to H series Visas and that the employer pays that.
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Of course you don't see a problem. Trump is the one demanding it.
 
They don't have to pay $10k. Typically one pays 10% of the bond value and then is on the hook for the remainder only if they violate the terms of the bond.

It's an interesting idea but I'm not sure how practical or effective it will be. Someone coming here illegally can still just cross outside a port of entry.
 
Lol, this is not a criminal court bond.
 
Airyaman said:
Lol, this is not a criminal court bond.
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It's a surety bond and they all work pretty much the same way whether it's for a contractor, for licensing or for any other purpose.
 
Lutherf said:
It's a surety bond and they all work pretty much the same way whether it's for a contractor, for licensing or for any other purpose.
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No, you are wrong. Donald was very clear that the full payment is required when he tried this in 2020: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/11/24/2020-24223/visas-visa-bond-pilot-program

If you have any further concerns about the requirement for full payment ahead of visa issuance, please take it up with Donald John Trump.
 
Lutherf said:
I'm not sure where you're getting that but a process like you describe kind of defeats the purpose of a bond. If you have to deposit a given amount subject to forfeiture then that's no longer a bond.
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ChatGPT. Grok says the same thing. You're free to find other sources.



Now, maybe you could find some American company willing to take 10% from a foreigner for this, but good luck.

That person would have to pay the bond company a fee which they would never get back.

 
I read through the pilot program and don't see what you're claiming. If you can point it out I'll be happy to reconsider my position.
 
Oh, well, if Grok says then it MUST be true
 
Lord of Planar said:
It is returned to them when they go home. I don't see a problem. If they have enough to come here and visit, this shouldn't be a problem.

I hope it also applies to H series Visas and that the employer pays that.
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If you dont see a problem with this.. you have a bigger problem than not being able to see the problem.
 
Lutherf said:
I read through the pilot program and don't see what you're claiming. If you can point it out I'll be happy to reconsider my position.
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Well, it is I who will reconsider my position, since the pilot program did in fact make an allowance for both cash and surety bonds, so I was the one in the wrong.
 
From the pilot plan rules:
The face value of visa bonds will be deposited in the appropriate account using the Treasury-hosted https://www.pay.gov website via Form I-352, Immigration Bond.
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That DOES NOT preclude a third party from posting the bond and charging the user a fee.

Further along we have this -
This implies that third party bonds WILL be accepted.

At no place in the rule do I see any requirement that the applicant has to post the entire cash amount.

Again, the purpose of a surety bond is to encourage compliance with a certain rule. Third parties that issue bonds on behalf of a customer generally do not charge that person 100% of the bond face value and only collect that amount when the bond is found to be in default.
 
The size of the bond likely will be highly correlated to the amount of melanin in the traveler's skin.
 
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