StarKis(t)ing Nancy Pelosi

[Goobieman]

Transcript:

STEVE DOOCEY: We teased you with this a moment ago. On Wednesday the U.S. House passed a bill that says the minimum wage in this country will rise over time from $5.15 an hour to $7.25. Now, here's the thing. Included in the small print is the fact that the minimum wage will now include the islands of the northern marinas but it exempts American Samoa which is the only U.S. Territory not subject to minimum wage laws.

BRIAN KILMEADE: What's the big deal about that?

DOOCEY: It covers all islands except American Samoa. Why American Samoa?

GRETCHEN CARLSON: It just so happens Steve that Star Kist tuna ploys 75% of the island's work force. They are making a lot of tuna there. Apparently then that is shipped off to San Francisco in a district where Nancy Pelosi is from. And now her people are saying that, you know, she has never been influenced by Star Kist at all but other people are saying, hey, this is a little bit of hypocrisy because how can this particular group of people benefit by not having to pay the new minimum wage which is almost $2 more an hour before.

KILMEADE: They have two major plants there and then all of a sudden they don't have to pay this money and this is a woman I'm going to fight corruption and things on the up and up and make things transparent

The Corner on National Review Online

Gee... when Tom delay did something like this, it was described as "virtual slavery".

Didn't Pelosi say that this was going to be the most ethical congress in history? Looks like that lasted almost a week.

 

[niftydrifty]

Speaking of hypocrisies:

"Gee... when Tom delay did something like this, it was described as "virtual slavery"." ... but not by you eh?

That's some conspiracy. She is "from there." That's a pretty solid connection. Looks to me like she needs to fry for this.

 

[Goobieman]

Speaking of hypocrisies:

"Gee... when Tom delay did something like this, it was described as "virtual slavery"." ... but not by you eh?

That's some conspiracy. She is "from there." That's a pretty solid connection. Looks to me like she needs to fry for this.

If Pelosi were a Republican, this would be more than enough for the Dems to cry "corruption!!" at the top of their lungs.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

If Pelosi were a Republican, this would be more than enough for the Democrats to cry "corruption!!" at the top of their lungs.

Only the nuts, as in this case.

 

[BubbaBob]

Please tell me you aren't surprised...Pelosi is as corrupt as you can get. She will rue the day she made any "echical congress" predictions. She is so dirty she may find herself sharing a cell with Randy Cunningham.

BubbaBob

 

[Goobieman]

Please tell me you aren't surprised...Pelosi is as corrupt as you can get. She will rue the day she made any "echical congress" predictions. She is so dirty she may find herself sharing a cell with Randy Cunningham.
BubbaBob

I would have expected "the most ethical congress ever" to have lasted more than a week.

 

[shuamort]

I would have expected "the most ethical congress ever" to have lasted more than a week.

Yeah...but still they have beaten the Republicans time.

Seriously though, here's another article on this.

 

[danarhea]

I found this at the US Department of Labor website:

The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), applies generally to employment within American Samoa as it does to employment within the United States. The minimum wage rates for American Samoa are set by a special industry committee (29 U.S.C. 205, 29 C.F.R. Part 511) appointed by the U.S. Department of Labor, as required by the Act. The rates are set for particular industries, not for an employee's particular occupation. The rates are minimum rates (29 U.S.C. 206(a)(3)); an employer may choose to pay an employee at a rate higher than the rate(s) for its industry.

Since 1938, when the FLSA was enacted, minimun wages for the American Samoa have been set by a Department of Labor committee, not Congress.

 

[Goobieman]

I found this at the US Department of Labor website:

Since 1938, when the FLSA was enacted, minimun wages for the American Samoa have been set by a Department of Labor committee, not Congress.

See, that's the point -- the new law applies to everywhere but American Samoa, and it was deliberately written to NOT apply to American Samoa.

No matter how you cut it, the dems wrote the law to NOT apply there when they very clearly could have written it so it WOULD apply there.

 

[Stinger]

Only the nuts, as in this case.

OK who put the exemption in and why? Why is this the ONLY place that got an exemption?

 

[Gibberish]

This should indeed be investigated.

If the only stance they have is that their competition pays their employee's less perhaps their executives should take a million or two salary cut and relocate that money to meet the new Federal minimum wage for their employees.

I doubt they will feel a dent in their 60 million a year bloated salaries.

 

[danarhea]

OK who put the exemption in and why? Why is this the ONLY place that got an exemption?

As per my link from the Department of Labor, Congress is not empowered to apply the minimum wage to Samoa, since that is done by committee, and has been, ever since the FLSA was enacted in 1938. Now what Congress could do is push through ANOTHER bill which would remove the provision, but that is a horse of a different color.

One other thing. The American Samoa is NOT exempted from minimum wage laws. They are subject to the minimum wage, but it is the Department of Labor that sets it, NOT Congress. That is IN THE LAW PASSED in 1938. The charge that the Democrats are the ones "exempting" the American Samoa is a lie, nothing more.

Goobieman and Stinger - I know you don't like Pelosi, but guess what? You are not alone. I don't like her either. My question to you is, with all the real dirt Pelosi has on her, why would you have to resort to some whacked out conspiracy nut theory? It just doesn't make sense. My advise to you is ditch the conspiracy theory, distortions, and lies, and concentrate on real issues against Pelosi, which there are plenty of.

 

[Goobieman]

As per my link from the Department of Labor, Congress is not empowered to apply the minimum wage to Samoa, since that is done by committee, and has been, ever since the FLSA was enacted in 1938. Now what Congress could do is push through ANOTHER bill which would remove the provision, but that is a horse of a different color.

OR... Pelosi, et al, could include such a provision in the current bill, which they did not do. Congress empowered the DoL to set the MinWage, and so Congres is empowered to take that power away from the DOL and give it back to itslf. It is also empowered to specify to the DoL what the MinWage in Samoa (or anywhere else) will be.

One other thing. The American Samoa is NOT exempted from minimum wage laws. They are subject to the minimum wage, but it is the Department of Labor that sets it, NOT Congress.

Because that's what the law says. Congress can change the law any time it wants to.

That is IN THE LAW PASSED in 1938. The charge that the Democrats are the ones "exempting" the American Samoa are lies, nothing more.

And is currently being amendmed right now - every time the MW goes up, its because provisions in/from the FLSA1938 are amended.

Your argument here, that the DoL, not Congress, sets the MinWage in Samoa, and so pelosi, et al, have no connection to the MW exemption in Samoa is fallacious -- the DoL sets it because there is a statute that says the DoL sets it; said statute can be changed at at time.

The point, as I mentioned, is that Pelosi, et al, have apparently decided to NOT change it.

Now, why would they raise the MW everyhwere except one place, when that one place has direct ties to Pelosi's district?

Goobieman - I know you don't like Pelosi, but guess what? You are not alone. I don't like her either. My question to you is, with all the real dirt Pelosi has on her, why would you have to resort to some whacked out conspiracy nut theory? It just doesn't make sense.

Pelosi, et al, raise the min wage for everyone in the US and its territories, except for one place where there happens to be a company that does a ton of business there and also does a ton of business in Pelos's district.

How does it NOT make sense that Pelosi had something to do with not removing that exemption?

 

[danarhea]

OR... Pelosi, et al, could include such a provision in the current bill, which they did not do. Congress empowered the DoL to set the MinWage, and so Congres is empowered to take that power away from the DOL and give it back to itslf. It is also empowered to specify to the DoL what the MinWage in Samoa (or anywhere else) will be.


Because that's what the law says. Congress can change the law any time it wants to.


And is currently being amendmed right now - every time the MW goes up, its because provisions in/from the FLSA1938 are amended.

Your argument here, that the DoL, not Congress, sets the MinWage in Samoa, and so pelosi, et al, have no connection to the MW exemption in Samoa is fallacious -- the DoL sets it because there is a statute that says the DoL sets it; said statute can be changed at at time.

The point, as I mentioned, is that Pelosi, et al, have apparently decided to NOT change it.

Now, why would they raise the MW everyhwere except one place, when that one place has direct ties to Pelosi's district?


Pelosi, et al, raise the min wage for everyone in the US and its territories, except for one place where there happens to be a company that does a ton of business there and also does a ton of business in Pelos's district.

How does it NOT make sense that Pelosi had something to do with not removing that exemption?

Wrong. The FSLA has been Amended 3 times in its entire history (1949, 1963, and 2004). Raising the minimum wage is a provision covered by the act, not an amendment to the act. Congress can amend the act, that is true, but cannot touch the American Samoa by raising the minimum wage under provisions of the act. That can only be done by committee.

Why the conspiracy theory? Let this one go. There is plenty you can nail Pelosi for, but this isn't one of them.

 

[Goobieman]

Wrong. The FSLA has been Amended 3 times in its entire history (1949, 1963, and 2004). Raising the minimum wage is a provision covered by the act, not an amendment to the act. Congress can amend the act, that is true, but cannot touch the American Samoa by raising the minimum wage under provisions of the act. That can only be done by committee.

For whatever reason, you arent getting this.
Your argument regarding the DoL commission is meaningless, as the DoL and its commission get their power under federal statutes.
To wit:
-The DoL sets the MW in Samoa because a statute empowers it to do so.
-Said power can be taken away at any time by passing a statute to that effect.

Pelosi, et al, could have written and passed a law to that effect and therby put Samoa under the same MW as the rest of the US and its territoties -- but they CHOSE to not.

Naturally, I ask:
Why would the speaker of the house, who has a company in her district that directly benefits from the lower MW in Samoa, choose to not change a law that would then force said company to pay a higher MW?

 

[southern_liberal]

I would have expected "the most ethical congress ever" to have lasted more than a week.

Oh please. six years vs. one week. Get real. Yeah, this doesn't look good for Nancy, however, how does this compare with Abramoff, Ney, Cunningham,
Delay, Foley etc. etc. etc. Stop gripping, you and your party lost the election and your president will now have some major breaks put on his maddess. And I will say again, what Nancy did does not look good (see how a democrat can acknowledge when one of his leaders foul up.) But for you to try and use the label "corruption" at this point to describe the democrats is funny. he he ha ha.

 

[danarhea]

For whatever reason, you arent getting this.
Your argument regarding the DoL commission is meaningless, as the DoL and its commission get their power under federal statutes.
To wit:
-The DoL sets the MW in Samoa because a statute empowers it to do so.
-Said power can be taken away at any time by passing a statute to that effect.

Pelosi, et al, could have written and passed a law to that effect and therby put Samoa under the same MW as the rest of the US and its territoties -- but they CHOSE to not.

Naturally, I ask:
Why would the speaker of the house, who has a company in her district that directly benefits from the lower MW in Samoa, choose to not change a law that would then force said company to pay a higher MW?

1) No. YOU are the one not getting this. The act of raising the minimum wage cannot include the American Samoa. Amending the act itself has to be a different proposal brought to the House floor.

2) Yes. The committee can be abolished, but nobody has done it for the American Samoa since 1938. Damn that Newt Gingrich and Dennis Hastert. They and Nancy Pelosi conspired to deprive American Samoans of a livable wage. You had better do something about that. You are quite the Liberal today. Who would have thunk it? :rofl

 

[Goobieman]

1) No. YOU are the one not getting this. The act of raising the minimum wage cannot include the American Samoa. Amending the act itself has to be a different proposal brought to the House floor.

OMFG.
You're hanging your hat on the argument that it takes TWO votes to put samoa under the same MW as the rest of the country.
Thats just sad, dude.
You know as well as Ai do that Congress can very easily do this, and that the MW in Samoa is -currently- set by a DoL commission in no way means that Pelosi, et al, cannot change it so that Samoa is under the same MW as everyone else.

2) Yes. The committee can be abolished, but nobody has done it for the American Samoa since 1938.

My -- how conservative of you.:mrgreen:
So what?
The point is, as you well know, and you are doing your damndedst to not have to address, is that Pelosi, et al, COULD do it and CHOSE not to.

And so, I ask again:
Why would the speaker of the house, who has a company in her district that directly benefits from the lower MW in Samoa, choose to not change a law that would then force said company to pay a higher MW?

Is this the sort of thing we sould expect for now on from the Most Ethical Congress Ever?

 

[danarhea]

OMFG.
You're hanging your hat on the argument that it takes TWO votes to put samoa under the same MW as the rest of the country.
Thats just sad, dude.
You know as well as Ai do that Congress can very easily do this, and that the MW in Samoa is -currently- set by a DoL commission in no way means that Pelosi, et al, cannot change it so that Samoa is under the same MW as everyone else.


My -- how conservative of you.:mrgreen:
So what?
The point is, as you well know, and you are doing your damndedst to not have to address, is that Pelosi, et al, COULD do it and CHOSE not to.

And so, I ask again:
Why would the speaker of the house, who has a company in her district that directly benefits from the lower MW in Samoa, choose to not change a law that would then force said company to pay a higher MW?

Is this the sort of thing we sould expect for now on from the Most Ethical Congress Ever?

1) Already stated. The bill that is presently on the House floor cannot address the American Samoa without violating existing law. That is a no-brainer.

3) A SEPARATE bill, authorizing an amendment to existing law, would have to be introduced in order to address the law which stipulates the minimum wage in the American Samoa has to be set by a committee appointed by the Department of Labor.

2) Show that Pelosi has been personally benefitted by Starkist Tuna.

3) If you can connect such dots then so can I. OMG!!!!!! The Bush administration is telling people to buy Tuna to combat bird flu. They are in the pockets of Starkist. :rofl Of course, this is BS, the same as yours.

 

[Goobieman]

1) Already stated. The bill that is presently on the House floor cannot address the American Samoa without violating existing law.
A SEPARATE bill, authorizing an amendment to existing law, would have to be introduced in order to address the law which stipulates the minimum wage in the American Samoa has to be set by a committee appointed by the Department of Labor.

So, you admit:
-Pelosi, et al, could, through the process you described, change the MW in Samoa to the same as everywhere else;
-Pelosi, et al, have chosen to NOT do this.

Since you again didnt answer the question, I'll ask again:
Why would the speaker of the house, who has a company in her district that directly benefits from the lower MW in Samoa, choose to not change a law that would then force said company to pay a higher MW?

 

[Stinger]

Oh please. six years vs. one week.

Yes please, it ONLY took one week to see business as usual.

Stop gripping, you and your party lost the election

Based on the promises of the Dems to be different. Bet you bought it hook line and sinker.

And I will say again, what Nancy did does not look good

Well the same could be said for the litney of Republicans you named, leaving out any Dems we all noted.

(see how a democrat can acknowledge when one of his leaders foul up.)

What we are missing are the same calls for resignations and investigations. Where are they hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

But for you to try and use the label "corruption" at this point to describe the democrats is funny. he he ha ha.

Watching you try to excuse it is absolutely hilarious.:lamo

 

[Stinger]

So, you admit:
-Pelosi, et al, could, through the process you described, change the MW in Samoa to the same as everywhere else;
-Pelosi, et al, have chosen to NOT do this.

Since you again didnt answer the question, I'll ask again:
Why would the speaker of the house, who has a company in her district that directly benefits from the lower MW in Samoa, choose to not change a law that would then force said company to pay a higher MW?

From what I understand by the news reporting this morning it did EXACTLY that for ALL such territories EXCEPT for Samoa which was explicitly and suspiciously exempted.

 

[Goobieman]

From what I understand by the news reporting this morning it did EXACTLY that for ALL such territories EXCEPT for Samoa which was explicitly and suspiciously exempted.

danareah is roght -- Samoa was already excepted as its MW was set by a commission under the DoL.

The question is: why did Pelosi, who has a company in her district that directly benefits from the lower MW in Samoa, choose to not change that arrangement -- an arrangement that keeps said company from paying a higher MW?

 

[Stinger]

danareah is roght -- Samoa was already excepted as its MW was set by a commission under the DoL.

The question is: why did Pelosi, who has a company in her district that directly benefits from the lower MW in Samoa, choose to not change that arrangement -- an arrangement that keeps said company from paying a higher MW?

As were other territories, but this law changed that EXCEPT for Somoa. That is why it is so questionable.

 

[Goobieman]

As were other territories, but this law changed that EXCEPT for Somoa. That is why it is so questionable.

I dont know when the exception for Samoa was created. I'm sure the information danahrea provided will lead anyone interested to it.