Standing behind a cause, do you, or isit just lip service?

Having a conversation with another member triggered this thought, how many of us actually stand behind a cause(s) we feel strongly about?

Personally I donate to 3 causes, in part because is a tax write off for us, but also in part because they hit home for us. I'm no saint, we have our reasons for donating as we do. I don't donate and am not a member of the NRA even though I stand behind the 2nd amendment.

Things like child abuse are what gets my blood pumping most.

What "cause" or circumstance do you get behind, volunteer at homeless shelters, animal shelters, hospital, Big Brothers/Big sisters, the VA?

I'm curious what you do and maybe learn something of the member here at the same time.

PS, I've not donated my entire life, at times I was just too busy to even think about others, or maybe too selfish, that's OK, it's a human element, so if you don't lend a hand at anything, it's OK, not going to bash anyone.

lefty louie said:

Having a conversation with another member triggered this thought, how many of us actually stand behind a cause(s) we feel strongly about?

Personally I donate to 3 causes, in part because is a tax write off for us, but also in part because they hit home for us. I'm no saint, we have our reasons for donating as we do. I don't donate and am not a member of the NRA even though I stand behind the 2nd amendment.

Things like child abuse are what gets my blood pumping most.

What "cause" or circumstance do you get behind, volunteer at homeless shelters, animal shelters, hospital, Big Brothers/Big sisters, the VA?

I'm curious what you do and maybe learn something of the member here at the same time.

PS, I've not donated my entire life, at times I was just too busy to even think about others, or maybe too selfish, that's OK, it's a human element, so if you don't lend a hand at anything, it's OK, not going to bash anyone.

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I encourage you to value conversation and debate.

Hawkeye10 said:

I encourage you to value conversation and debate.

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Again in terms I might understand?

lefty louie said:

Again in terms I might understand?

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Arguing an idea, especially if done well and consistently, is standing up for/standing behind a cause....when you call it "just lip service" you indicate that you dont understand how society works, you indicate that you dont understand how important the arguing and distilling of ideas is towards sustaining and advancing civilization.

Hawkeye10 said:

Arguing an idea, especially if done well and consistently, is standing up for/standing behind a cause....when you call it "just lip service" you indicate that you dont understand how society works, you indicate that you dont understand how important the arguing and distilling of ideas is towards sustaining and advancing civilization.

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Let me rephrase it, if all one does is comment in a forum or should I say bitch without getting behind the matter in greater detail and effort you are mostly spinning your wheels.

How often has someone here changed your thought process, how often have you changed someone else's? Like I said, I'm not knocking a person for not applying themselves to a situation, just wondering how many actually put their money/efforts where their mouth is.

I take it you talk a lot about matters near and dear to you, I applaud your efforts. BRAVO

To me there are three big passion issues, where I stand behind them with a real conviction, time and money:

1. Animal Habit Protection / Reducing Urban Sprawl
2. Restorative Justice / Adequate Legal Defences
3. Economic Liberty / Ending contemporary slavery (formal & informal)

The first is my most passive cause where I contribute mostly donations.

The second, taking the biggest spot with both time and money. I get actively involved with halfway houses, getting funding, result based programs & mentorship in place. The aim being assisting more ex-offenders get out of cycles of criminality, manage addictions, take responsibility for past actions, find reconcilation with victims, desposed family and their community; or just move in the new direction they desire. I also donate to fund many legal appeals. The amount of court corruption and attack on rule of law is physically disgusting to me.Another area where I spend volenteer time is rehabilitation and support programs for homeless & criminality involved youth and young adults.

Last, takes mostly time. I do support organization who more actively involved with the formal contemporary slavery issues. Honestly though, it gets me far too angry to be effective. Toward the informal though I actively look for and work with people to escape debts & obligations which are trapping them in their circumstances.

Other then the last, my passion isn't based on any personal experiences or family member. This are just areas which I saw oppurutnties to do somethign about a subject which emotionally effected me.

lefty louie said:

Let me rephrase it, if all one does is comment in a forum or should I say bitch without getting behind the matter in greater detail and effort you are mostly spinning your wheels.

How often has someone here changed your thought process, how often have you changed someone else's? Like I said, I'm not knocking a person for not applying themselves to a situation, just wondering how many actually put their money/efforts where their mouth is.

I take it you talk a lot about matters near and dear to you, I applaud your efforts. BRAVO

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You are still wrong, you are still not understanding how important moving hearts and minds is, and as well the corollary how damaging it is to civilization when hearts and minds are either not engaged or are faulty.

The last really big thing that I changed my mind about was guns, at my last home, after years of debating gun policy with so called gun nuts and listening to others debate and/or conversate about it......this was 4-5 years ago, I am 56 now and had been strongly pro regulation since about the age of 15.

The last sort of big thing that I changed my mind about was AOC, which I had long argued should be either 14 or 15, but I have gone soft on that after too many conversations where it is clear that todays youth are in very bad shape developmentally, I decided that they often now are incapable of running their sex lives at that age.

As for how often I have changed others minds I dont really know, but I do know that as I have established a record for being right about things I get taken much more seriously than I used to....as history has bended towards my telling of a civilization in collapse, a story that I have been on for nearly three decades.

Try being a conservative who supports some liberal ideas?

Tough way to go, but there are great ideas from both sides that get buried with all the noise here on DP and in the real world.

You folks are getting too caught up with your Dem and Pub teamwork.

lefty louie said:

Having a conversation with another member triggered this thought, how many of us actually stand behind a cause(s) we feel strongly about?

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It's my career.

Mr Person said:

It's my career.

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Elaborate.

lefty louie said:

Elaborate.

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I zealously protect the rights of individuals facing the overwhelming force of the government in criminal cases, specifically, to try to get them a new trial because their constitutional (sometimes statutory) rights and/or rules of evidence were violated. I focus on those most vulnerable: the poor. I'll never be rich, but that's fine. Shockingly, other citizens don't like the idea of paying anything near a market wage to someone representing the indigent in a bid to get them a new trial, for which the other citizens will also be paying.

Despite my lean and what one might think of my other political opinions, government power vs. individual constitutional rights is kind of a big deal to me, especially when prison is a possibility.