Stalled coronavirus relief negotiations hit new obstacle: State aid

[mike2810]

Stalled coronavirus relief negotiations hit new obstacle: State aid | Fox News



Is there any doubt about today's radical Democratic Party that promotes high state and local taxes to fund their social liberal spending programs. Wonder what would happen if Blue state Democrats would stop driving people away from their state?

Are the wealthy fleeing California taxes? – Orange County Register

As the wealthy flee New York, poorest will be most affected | TheHill

New IRS Migration Numbers Confirm Flight of Illinois' Wealthy

Now we really know why the left is so upset over the Trump tax cuts, it reduces the deduction on their federal return for high state and local taxes. Now they want to federal taxpayers to subsidize their waste, fraud, and high cost of living in the state.

Trump and Republicans agree to support the states with COVID 19 costs but not bail them out of their own financial problems. Time for a change, Democrats!!

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Have you looked at the Federal debt lately. Seems the US (Federal) has a financial problem. The only difference is the Feds can print money, States can't.

Time for a change.:mrgreen:

 

[JasperL]

Any federal "stimulus" package is unconstitutional. But since when did the US Constitution ever stop a leftist freak?

Like the federal stimulus that passed the House, GOP Senate, signed by a GOP President was all done by leftist freaks? Who knew?

:2rofll:

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Right, the GOP senate is doing what is right refusing to fund state and local expenses that aren't COVID 19 expenses.

Totally fraudulent argument, you don't even want federal govt paying for health concerns, you have said over and over that this should be a state concern, as a cover for the lack of action by the Orange Asshole.

This is a worldwide pandemic PLUS a DEPRESSION. The GOP senate, lead by Mitch, have decided to NOT participate in any more counter-cyclical economic actions. It is the most insane political strategy I have ever seen, and they top it off by leaving for their "break". The country is burning with a virus and an economic disaster, they go out of town without doing their job.

Vote the assholes out.

 

[Glitch]

Uh, people shut down the local economies, people choosing on their own to not go out and purchase in crowded groceries stores, to not go to crowded restaurants and bars, ect. Consumer demand reduction PRECEDED guv's shutdown orders.

Your meme is false.

It wasn't the people issuing those government mandates and deprived the people of their livelihood. That was entirely leftist Democrat fascists.

 

[Glitch]

Like the federal stimulus that passed the House, GOP Senate, signed by a GOP President was all done by leftist freaks? Who knew?

:2rofll:

Indeed, and everyone has known, except for maybe you, since leftists began illegally passing unconstitutional stimulus bills back in 2008.

 

[Linc]

Alaska is a red State and has been open since April 27th. The only places that are shutdown are all Democrat-controlled sh*tholes. It is entirely partisan. Democrats are intentionally destroying the economy and intentionally killing tens of thousands of Americans just to try to make Trump look bad. Democrats shut down businesses, not any virus. We've had much worse, and there was no panic or the shutdown of the economy because it wasn't an election year. This is entirely political, and manufactured by the Democratic Party terrorist organization.

How big is Alaska? Those cities in Alaska drive your economy, as they do in every state.

 

[JasperL]

Indeed, and everyone has known, except for maybe you, since leftists began illegally passing unconstitutional stimulus bills back in 2008.

I see, so everyone in Congress is a leftist freak and Trump is a leftist freak, as was Bush II! If they do something you don't like ==> LEFTIST FREAK!!

Got it. Solid commentary. :lamo

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Any federal "stimulus" package is unconstitutional.

Cite? Some SC ruling perhaps? A Twilight Zone episode maybe? Bad wild mushrooms?

 

[Linc]

Any federal "stimulus" package is unconstitutional. But since when did the US Constitution ever stop a leftist freak?

Republicans are calling trump’s EO ‘constitutional slop’.

 

[Glitch]

Cite? Some SC ruling perhaps? A Twilight Zone episode maybe? Bad wild mushrooms?

The Tenth Amendment prohibits the federal government from exercising any power not specifically granted to it by the US Constitution. Since the US Constitution does not grant Congress the power to appropriate funds to bail out any State, business, or individual they are prohibited from doing so.

You may want to actually read the US Constitution some day instead of coming off as an ignorant wise-ass.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

It wasn't the people issuing those government mandates and deprived the people of their livelihood. That was entirely leftist Democrat fascists.

Sure, again, Doug Ducey is a LDF!

I could point you to any number of state economic activity timelines showing the declines in spending by consumers (those would be citizens) BEFORE guvs ordered social distancing mandates, but you are so frothy I don't think you could see through your foaming.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

The Tenth Amendment prohibits the federal government from exercising any power not specifically granted to it by the US Constitution. Since the US Constitution does not grant Congress the power to appropriate funds to bail out any State....

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;


Unless you have some SC decision showing Congress cannot spend to States as it sees fit, you are just frothing....as per usual.

 

[Glitch]

Republicans are calling trump’s EO ‘constitutional slop’.

Of course it is unconstitutional. Executive Orders have no authority beyond the Executive Branch, and they most certainly are not law.

However, you are forgetting. Trump was elected specifically to counter Obama, and that is precisely what he is doing now. Obama established the precedent, and Trump is merely following Obama's example. It is called "Karma." What goes around, comes around.

Maybe next time you won't be cheering on your Democrat President to knowingly and deliberately violate the US Constitution.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

How big is Alaska? Those cities in Alaska drive your economy, as they do in every state.

Pfft, oil is what drive the Alaska economy, ask him if he cashes his socialized oil checks.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Of course it is unconstitutional. Executive Orders have no authority beyond the Executive Branch, and they most certainly are not law.

However, you are forgetting. Trump was elected specifically to counter Obama, and that is precisely what he is doing now. Obama established the precedent, and Trump is merely following Obama's example. It is called "Karma." What goes around, comes around.

Maybe next time you won't be cheering on your Democrat President to knowingly and deliberately violate the US Constitution.

Its called hypocrisy, the "karma" will be his defeat in Nov.

 

[JasperL]

It wasn't the people issuing those government mandates and deprived the people of their livelihood. That was entirely leftist Democrat fascists.

Everyone drink!

Bottom line is it's a lot easier and cheaper in the long run to prop up the economy for a few months and save those jobs than it is to cut aid, see more unemployed, which starts a further downward spiral. And we see in a bunch of red states all kinds of restrictions on businesses, particularly bars and restaurants and other places where large numbers gather indoors. So it has little to nothing to do with Democrats versus Republicans, except in your own mind.

And Tennessee and my city are "open" but business is still way down. Restaurants with outdoor patios are filling those up, and the inside areas all but deserted. That's not government but people speaking by their own actions, which is a mediocre meal out isn't worth the risk, so they are cooking at home, or getting takeout. The mall is "open" but seeing maybe 10% of normal traffic, with parking lots all but deserted. Etc....

It's frankly stupid to make this partisan.

 

[Glitch]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;


Unless you have some SC decision showing Congress cannot spend to States as it sees fit, you are just frothing....as per usual.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 is granting Congress the power to tax. However, they may not levy taxes for any reason they please, but only to fund the powers granted to the federal government by the US Constitution. As the Supreme Court held in United States v. Butler, 297 U.S. 1 (1936):

The power of taxation, which is expressly granted to Congress, may be adopted as a means to carry into operation another power also expressly granted, but not to effectuate an end which is not within the scope of the Constitution.

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If the novel view of the General Welfare Clause now advanced in support of the tax were accepted, that clause would not only enable Congress to supplant the States in the regulation of agriculture and of all other industries as well, but would furnish the means whereby all of the other provisions of the Constitution, sedulously framed to define and limit the power of the United States and preserve the powers of the States, could be broken down, the independence of the individual States obliterated, and the United States converted into a central government exercising uncontrolled police power throughout the Union superseding all local control over local concerns.

Once again you demonstrate your vast ignorance.

 

[Glitch]

Everyone drink!

Bottom line is it's a lot easier and cheaper in the long run to prop up the economy for a few months and save those jobs than it is to cut aid, see more unemployed, which starts a further downward spiral. And we see in a bunch of red states all kinds of restrictions on businesses, particularly bars and restaurants and other places where large numbers gather indoors. So it has little to nothing to do with Democrats versus Republicans, except in your own mind.

And Tennessee and my city are "open" but business is still way down. Restaurants with outdoor patios are filling those up, and the inside areas all but deserted. That's not government but people speaking by their own actions, which is a mediocre meal out isn't worth the risk, so they are cooking at home, or getting takeout. The mall is "open" but seeing maybe 10% of normal traffic, with parking lots all but deserted. Etc....

It's frankly stupid to make this partisan.

No, you are not seeing any such thing in red States. You are seeing leftist Democrat fascist Mayors in red States shutting down businesses and intentionally violating the constitutionally protected rights of their citizens.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 is granting Congress the power to tax.

This is not a debate on taxation, this is a debate on spending. You said so yourself. A1S8C1 describes Congress's power to spend. You said "the US Constitution does not grant Congress the power to appropriate funds to bail out any State", you can't provide ANY example, so you move the goalpost to "taxation". No, doesn't work, you lost again.

Either support your claim, or accept defeat.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

No, you are not seeing any such thing in red States. You are seeing leftist Democrat fascist Mayors in red States shutting down businesses and intentionally violating the constitutionally protected rights of their citizens.

Consumer spending declines preceded (happened before, if that word is unfamiliar to you) Guv's shutdown.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Stalled coronavirus relief negotiations hit new obstacle: State aid | Fox News



Is there any doubt about today's radical Democratic Party that promotes high state and local taxes to fund their social liberal spending programs. Wonder what would happen if Blue state Democrats would stop driving people away from their state?

Are the wealthy fleeing California taxes? – Orange County Register

As the wealthy flee New York, poorest will be most affected | TheHill

New IRS Migration Numbers Confirm Flight of Illinois' Wealthy

Now we really know why the left is so upset over the Trump tax cuts, it reduces the deduction on their federal return for high state and local taxes. Now they want to federal taxpayers to subsidize their waste, fraud, and high cost of living in the state.

Trump and Republicans agree to support the states with COVID 19 costs but not bail them out of their own financial problems. Time for a change, Democrats!!

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If you want law and order, lower taxes and a a booming economy, DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT. Joe Biden has shown he has a racist past, a extreme left wing future and could care less about anything other than becoming the "most progressive president in history".

 

[Conservative]

Dude, everybody just needed to wear a mask, socially distance and stay away from crowds to give time for testing to ramp up (meaning under one day results) and contact tracing.

This could have been over months ago. Our kids could have been completely back at school.

And whose fault is that? Individuals!!!!

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[Conservative]

Have you looked at the Federal debt lately. Seems the US (Federal) has a financial problem. The only difference is the Feds can print money, States can't.

Time for a change.:mrgreen:

Right! Return all social programs to the states! Why should Federal taxpayers reimburse states for lost revenue caused by taxpayers leaving?

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[JasperL]

No, you are not seeing any such thing in red States. You are seeing leftist Democrat fascist Mayors in red States shutting down businesses and intentionally violating the constitutionally protected rights of their citizens.

I see, so Texas Gov. Abbot is a "leftist Democrat fascist?" WHO KNEW!!!??

Texas closes bars, limits restaurant occupancy as coronavirus cases rise | The Texas Tribune

:lamo :2rofll:

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Right! Return all social programs to the states! Why should Federal taxpayers reimburse states for lost revenue caused by taxpayers leaving?

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LOL...thinks state shortfalls in a depression are caused by.....wait for it.....citizens leaving to another state!

Because....yaknow....those other states where they are moving to.....have no funding issues....either!

Good grief.