Stacy Abrams - A Baby’s 6 week Heart Beat is a Manufactured Sound

[NatMorton]

My mistake. Codifying abortion rights, and limits, at the national level should be how this very important issue is resolved.

A patchwork of ever changing requirements by individual states is unfair to girls/women across the country.

Best of luck with the amendment process.

 

[vegas giants]

Overturning Roe, jeopardizing the health and lives of girls/women across the country was not the right way to go about it.

A national referendum would’ve been much better.

Pro choice would win

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Best of luck with the amendment process.

We’re still a ways from reaching that level of consensus. In the meantime, replacing anti choice politicians with pro choice politicians will have to do.

Literally creating a common legal definition for the terms "unborn child" and "person" isn't clear do you? That's hilarious.

Your reasoning and reading comprehension skills need work.

The name given AL’s anti abortion law makes clear the distinction that the legislation does not extend personhood status to fetuses; “The Alabama Human Life Protection Act”.

Contrary to your failed interpretation of the label “human life”, it is not synonymous with “human”, same as “marine life” isn’t synonymous with “fish”.

Alabama’s extremely restrictive law only provides protections to fetuses from being aborted. Nothing else.

It does not recognize fetuses as “humans”, nor does it extend any rights or other privileges born humans enjoy.

Here is the actual law, read through it and properly educate yourself as to it’s actual purpose, severely restricting a woman’s right of choice;

Code of Alabama | Chapter 23H - THE ALABAMA HUMAN LIFE PROTECTION ACT | Casetext

Browse Code of Alabama | Chapter 23H - THE ALABAMA HUMAN LIFE PROTECTION ACT for free on Casetext

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[NatMorton]

We’re still a ways from reaching that level of consensus. In the meantime, replacing anti choice politicians with pro choice politicians will have to do.

Exactly, we are a ways away from reaching that level of consensus, which is exactly why Roe needed to be overturned. We've never had that consensus, and without it the Roe majority lacked the authority to impose the standard it did.

Your reasoning and reading comprehension skills need work.

The name given AL’s anti abortion law makes clear the distinction that the legislation does not extend personhood status to fetuses; “The Alabama Human Life Protection Act”.

Contrary to your failed interpretation of the label “human life”, it is not synonymous with “human”, same as “marine life” isn’t synonymous with “fish”.

Alabama’s extremely restrictive law only provides protections to fetuses from being aborted. Nothing else.

It does not recognize fetuses as “humans”, nor does it extend any rights or other privileges born humans enjoy.

Here is the actual law, read through it and properly educate yourself as to it’s actual purpose, severely restricting a woman’s right of choice;

Code of Alabama | Chapter 23H - THE ALABAMA HUMAN LIFE PROTECTION ACT | Casetext

Browse Code of Alabama | Chapter 23H - THE ALABAMA HUMAN LIFE PROTECTION ACT for free on Casetext

casetext.com

We were discussing whether AL treats fetus's as persons. You keep ignoring that that law explicitly defines an "UNBORN CHILD [at any stage of development]" and "PERSON" as one and the same. There's no getting around that fact.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Exactly, we are a ways away from reaching that level of consensus, which is exactly why Roe needed to be overturned. We've never had that consensus, and without it the Roe majority lacked the authority to impose the standard it did.

^ Zero logic.

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The above definition is more proof of my point, that you appear incapable of, or unwilling to acknowledge.

“Human life” and “human being” are not synonymous anymore than a tadpole and a frog are the same things.

We were discussing whether AL treats fetus's as persons. You keep ignoring that that law explicitly defines an "UNBORN CHILD [at any stage of development]" and "PERSON" as one and the same. There's no getting around that fact.

The law explicitly contradicts federal law.

Regardless of that glaring fallacy, the AL law only provides protections to fetuses from being aborted. Nothing else.

 

[NatMorton]

^ Zero logic.

By your own admission, there is no consensus. Without that consensus, from where does this authority to govern come?

The above definition is more proof of my point, that you appear incapable of, or unwilling to acknowledge.

No, it proves my point, not yours.

“Human life” and “human being” are not synonymous anymore than a tadpole and a frog are the same things.

A quick two-pronged test: please list for us any human beings that were never in possession of human life. Second, please list any entities you can think of that possess human life that were not also human beings.

We'll wait.

The law explicitly contradicts federal law.

Prove it.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

By your own admission, there is no consensus. Without that consensus, from where does this authority to govern come?

There is a consensus among the majority of Americans that abortion should be legal. The disagreement is in what limitations there should be.

Roe established the standard for states to base their own laws on. For nearly 50 years, Roe protected girls/women from the arbitrary and draconian laws now taking effect in many states.

That is unacceptable to the growing majority of Americans, and will be dealt with at state level ballot boxes until a large enough consensus is establish to overcome the shrinking minority’s objections.

No, it proves my point, not yours.

Only if you don’t understand what you’re reading.

A quick two-pronged test: please list for us any human beings that were never in possession of human life. Second, please list any entities you can think of that possess human life that were not also human beings.

We'll wait.

First, I don’t do stupid pop quizzes, and second, you should see someone about the other voices you’re hearing.

Prove it.

I already have in my post #380.

https://debatepolitics.com/threads/stacy-abrams-a-baby’s-6-week-heart-beat-is-a-manufactured-sound.492433/page-16#post-1076657297

1 U.S. Code § 8 - “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant

www.law.cornell.edu

Federal law does not grant personhood to fetuses.

 

[NatMorton]

Roe established the standard for states to base their own laws on. For nearly 50 years, Roe protected girls/women from the arbitrary and draconian laws now taking effect in many states.

We are in agreement, Roe established law, an act that is a flagrant violation of the separation of powers. We are well rid of it.