Sports Athletes Should Be Completely Ignored When They Rant Political

[Ontologuy]

:lamo

Of course you think "cancel culture" is an attack on free speech. Like all right wingers, you think free speech means everyone else gets a muzzle.

Wow -- talk about psychological projection -- you're the winner! :lol:

 

[Ontologuy]

Nobody, give a crap What White Nationalist Confederacy Groomed Right Wingers who try to hide behind the Label of Conservatism, (as if they think its not known that "Right Wing Version of Conservatism is a Construct of Confederacy Ideology".... based on their resentment about paying taxes, their hatred of abiding by Federal Regulatory Governance, they Their Lust for State Rights to Usurp Federal Governance.)

Wow -- what a rambling nonsense of attempted character assassination via labeling.

Sorry, but your statements are so false and way off-topic .. that they're simply worthless in this thread.

... These Sports Players can Support Equality all they want!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, they can .. and we can recommend rightly that they be ignored when instead of supporting equality they promote BLM's conspiracy theory mass hysteria and speak in a way that incites a riot.

And that's the problem, with both them and you leftists.

You all erroneously think that supporting BLM's conspiracy theory mass hysteria is "supporting equality". But that's laughably erroneous. :lol:

LeBron and his cohorts and leftists are massively deluded.

BLM says racism and racists and police brutality targeting of Black people in America are a 10 on a 1-10 scale and they've used that conspiracy theory to instill mass hysteria in the weak-minded via appeal to exceptional images coupled with false narratives about those images.

But accurately assessed statistics and other objective determiners posted all over this forum clearly prove BLM's conspiracy theory false, which is what a conspiracy theory is, by definition: false.

In truth, the police don't at all target Black people with brutality, and racism/racists in America are way, way, way under a 1 on that 1-10 scale.

As Whitlock accurately points out, you can't rightly use a handful of anecdotes, even if they weren't attached to false narratives, and then say, "see, it's all over America". :roll: That's such an egregious breech of logic it's utterly disgusting.

But that's exactly what BLM did to create their conspiracy theory mass hysteria .. which weak-minded James fell for .. and which Whitlock rightly criticizes him for thereby spreading the mass hysteria and inciting a riot.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Sometimes what you leftists think are rights aren't rights at all, but privileges.

We have the right to free speech, yes, but, there are ethically and morally true limits on it, and a right under the governance of such a limitation is a privilege.

The limits on free speech are based on the principle that we don't truly harm others.

Here in this forum we have such limits, as people are free to use ad hominems but not to the degree they do real harm .. or the moderators enforce the penalties.

The same is true in general in America. We're not allowed to use free speech to force, defraud, or defame with slander or libel.

We are also not allowed to use free speech to falsely yell fire in a crowded theater, 'cause if we do and someone dies we're held accountable.

And, we also aren't allowed to use free speech to to incite a riot as I believe LeBron James and other sports stars are doing. They rightly should be indicted. And thus Whitlock is right in that James should simply stop inciting his 40 million followers to riot.

And we, who are subjected to sports stars rambling ignorantly on a topic about which they are clueless, need to be of our own good conscience .. and just ignore them.

Despite all your of your blither blather, the first amendment gives these athletes a right to express themselves and on their terms. If you disagree, feel free to take it up in court and good luck with that as how the right works is pretty well established at this point.

Well, your denial doesn't make it so.

Those who operate the "cancel culture" acknowledge that it exists, and those who've been victimized by it acknowledge that it exists, so there's really no need to investigate its reality any further.

Besides, leftists often purposely deny something bad of theirs exists when they know it does so they won't get called on it.

Thus, I'm using my right of free speech .. to call you on it, Mr. Scarecrow.

I am glad you are using your right to free speech, but this so called cancel culture is just free speech in opposition to other free speech, which is exactly how it should work. Free speech does not mean that society has to like what you say and they are allowed to respond with something you may not like either.

 

[Bucky]

First of all, prove to me he's a racist.

Regardless, it's not Whitlock that's important to me, it's the actual substance of the words he says which have no racism in them whatsoever.

The problem with you leftists is that if you think someone said something racist, even if they didn't, you still want to "cancel culture" them completely.

That's simply wrong.

You BLMers constantly throw the baby out with the bathwater.

If you think someone is making a racist statement, then appeal to a common globally accepted source on the definition of racism/racist, and, then if it fits, point it out.

Give the person a chance to say their sorry, or they didn't mean it, or whatever.

Whitlock's presentation in the OP has no racism in it, he just points out LeBron James' bigotry.

But if you think Whitlock erred, then appeal to a common globally agreed upon source for the definition of bigotry and point it out.

If you're right, I'll agree with you.

But don't try to reference a clearly non-globally agreed upon source, a purely leftist fiat source, and try to appeal to that nonsense. That's what BLM did, made up their own definitions and false accusations of racist/racism, and look where that got them: a conspiracy theory mass hysteria that's getting people killed.

Here is Jason Whitlock for you:

Fox Sports columnist Jason Whitlock apologized for a comment he posted to Twitter about Jeremy Lin, the New York Knicks' breakout phenom and social media's newest sports darling.

Lin has taken the NBA and Internet by storm since he began putting up impressive stat lines and leading the Knicks to a string of wins over the past week. His underdog story (virtually no college teams wanted him out of high school, and he went un-drafted after graduating from Harvard) and improbable success have endeared to fans online, where they pay homage and burnish his legend under the #Linsanity Twitter hashtag.

Fox Sports Columnist Apologizes for 'Racist' Jeremy Lin Tweet

This is the kind of guy you want posters on dp to take seriously? Get out of here.

 

[RealityNow]

Wow -- what a rambling nonsense of attempted character assassination via labeling.

Sorry, but your statements are so false and way off-topic .. that they're simply worthless in this thread.



Yes, they can .. and we can recommend rightly that they be ignored when instead of supporting equality they promote BLM's conspiracy theory mass hysteria and speak in a way that incites a riot.

And that's the problem, with both them and you leftists.

You all erroneously think that supporting BLM's conspiracy theory mass hysteria is "supporting equality". But that's laughably erroneous. :lol:

LeBron and his cohorts and leftists are massively deluded.

BLM says racism and racists and police brutality targeting of Black people in America are a 10 on a 1-10 scale and they've used that conspiracy theory to instill mass hysteria in the weak-minded via appeal to exceptional images coupled with false narratives about those images.

But accurately assessed statistics and other objective determiners posted all over this forum clearly prove BLM's conspiracy theory false, which is what a conspiracy theory is, by definition: false.

In truth, the police don't at all target Black people with brutality, and racism/racists in America are way, way, way under a 1 on that 1-10 scale.

As Whitlock accurately points out, you can't rightly use a handful of anecdotes, even if they weren't attached to false narratives, and then say, "see, it's all over America". :roll: That's such an egregious breech of logic it's utterly disgusting.

But that's exactly what BLM did to create their conspiracy theory mass hysteria .. which weak-minded James fell for .. and which Whitlock rightly criticizes him for thereby spreading the mass hysteria and inciting a riot.

You are a white man... pushing the same white dribble white people pushed in the 1960's.. You don't know anything about BLM... you just push your groomed in biases....

 

[RealityNow]

Wow -- what a rambling nonsense of attempted character assassination via labeling.

Sorry, but your statements are so false and way off-topic .. that they're simply worthless in this thread.



Yes, they can .. and we can recommend rightly that they be ignored when instead of supporting equality they promote BLM's conspiracy theory mass hysteria and speak in a way that incites a riot.

And that's the problem, with both them and you leftists.

You all erroneously think that supporting BLM's conspiracy theory mass hysteria is "supporting equality". But that's laughably erroneous. :lol:

LeBron and his cohorts and leftists are massively deluded.

BLM says racism and racists and police brutality targeting of Black people in America are a 10 on a 1-10 scale and they've used that conspiracy theory to instill mass hysteria in the weak-minded via appeal to exceptional images coupled with false narratives about those images.

But accurately assessed statistics and other objective determiners posted all over this forum clearly prove BLM's conspiracy theory false, which is what a conspiracy theory is, by definition: false.

In truth, the police don't at all target Black people with brutality, and racism/racists in America are way, way, way under a 1 on that 1-10 scale.

As Whitlock accurately points out, you can't rightly use a handful of anecdotes, even if they weren't attached to false narratives, and then say, "see, it's all over America". :roll: That's such an egregious breech of logic it's utterly disgusting.

But that's exactly what BLM did to create their conspiracy theory mass hysteria .. which weak-minded James fell for .. and which Whitlock rightly criticizes him for thereby spreading the mass hysteria and inciting a riot.

You are a white man... pushing the same white dribble white people pushed in the 1960's.. You don't know anything about BLM... you just push your groomed in biases....

Shocker for you: Black people don't need white people like you trying to tell us what we can see for ourselves. History has proven over and over, that white man views don't respect black people and you are a prime example.

Not all white people exhibit a overt racist mentality, its those who do that are identifiable, and its more of such types who have deep racial bias within what is called the Right Winger Conservative Mentality.... They still believe in what the Confederacy Ideology that gave the world slavery and Jim Crow... and many of these old heads typing on here grew up in the middle of it.

I encounter lots of white people who don't buy into that racist stupidity, those what do... are distinguishable... and they find their own ways to show it.

The Arkansas Policeman, who claims he is not racist, but calls his wife a "n Lover'... for talking to a black man.
the Wisconsin Police Chief and his comments.

And white people coming with Gun's as if its some Jim Crow mass of white people, still thinking they have the right to try and shut people up.

Einstein had it correct decades upon decades ago when he said: Racism is a White People Disease !!!!

 

[CaughtInThe]

i say ignore White Supremacists, their supporters and sympathizers.

 

[Ontologuy]

Here is Jason Whitlock for you:



Fox Sports Columnist Apologizes for 'Racist' Jeremy Lin Tweet

This is the kind of guy you want posters on dp to take seriously? Get out of here.

Your anecdote is an absolute nothing.

But again, you "cancel culture" people are all alike -- you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, basically saying that if Whitlock made this one remark and then apologized that he should nevertheless be shunned for all eternity.

Of course, should you make a mistake, you're gonna want forgiveness and to be given another chance to be taken seriously. :roll:

But from your perspective the great and accurate video from this thread's OP should be completely ignored because the author once made a prejudice remark. And like you haven't ever made a prejudice remark in your life. :lol:

Nevertheless, the rag you quote's headline is in grievous error -- Whitlock's remark wasn't "racist", it was prejudice, they are two different things. But that just goes to show how BLM's conspiracy theory mass hysteria causes people to make these kinds of mistakes all the time.

Still, I asked you to show me evidence that Whitlock is a "racist" .. and you obviously failed.

 

[Ontologuy]

You are a white man... pushing the same white dribble white people pushed in the 1960's.. You don't know anything about BLM... you just push your groomed in biases....

Ah yes, the whining of the "cultural appropriation" mantra chanter. :roll:

So Black people can't talk about White people and their culture, White people can't talk about Black people and their culture, and since BLM was founded by Black Marxist women no White capitalist man is ever allowed to possess accurate information for vital dissemination about BLM.

:lol:

Yep, leftist "cancel culture" censorship, epitomized. :shock:

But, even by your ludicrous limitations, the OP video has merit, as it's from an intelligent Black man talking about a not-so-intelligent Black man as it relates to the Black culture. All good there, right?

 

[Ontologuy]

You are a white man... pushing the same white dribble white people pushed in the 1960's.. You don't know anything about BLM... you just push your groomed in biases.... Shocker for you: Black people don't need white people like you trying to tell us what we can see for ourselves. History has proven over and over, that white man views don't respect black people and you are a prime example. Not all white people exhibit a overt racist mentality, its those who do that are identifiable, and its more of such types who have deep racial bias within what is called the Right Winger Conservative Mentality.... They still believe in what the Confederacy Ideology that gave the world slavery and Jim Crow... and many of these old heads typing on here grew up in the middle of it. I encounter lots of white people who don't buy into that racist stupidity, those what do... are distinguishable... and they find their own ways to show it. The Arkansas Policeman, who claims he is not racist, but calls his wife a "n Lover'... for talking to a black man. the Wisconsin Police Chief and his comments. And white people coming with Gun's as if its some Jim Crow mass of white people, still thinking they have the right to try and shut people up. Einstein had it correct decades upon decades ago when he said: Racism is a White People Disease !!!!

Your blah, blah, blah .. is simply that.

"Black people" this and "White people" that, the "right winger conservative mentality" this, "Jim Crow" that ... all contextually erroneous and completely off topic.

The bottom line remains, even for you "cancel culture" "cultural appropriation" whiners: the OP video presents an intelligent Black Man speaking about a not-so-intelligent Black man, criticizing that Black man, LeBron James, for speaking bigotedly about White people and cops (oops -- a violation by James of your own "cultural appropriation" fiat!) and inciting his people to riot and get injured and killed.

I know it's hard for "cancel culture" cultists to stay on topic when they get triggered into their conspiracy theory mass hysteria, but, do you have anything of a non character assassination nature to say about the substantive relevance of Whitlock's criticism of James?

 

[RealityNow]

Your blah, blah, blah .. is simply that.

"Black people" this and "White people" that, the "right winger conservative mentality" this, "Jim Crow" that ... all contextually erroneous and completely off topic.

The bottom line remains, even for you "cancel culture" "cultural appropriation" whiners: the OP video presents an intelligent Black Man speaking about a not-so-intelligent Black man, criticizing that Black man, LeBron James, for speaking bigotedly about White people and cops (oops -- a violation by James of your own "cultural appropriation" fiat!) and inciting his people to riot and get injured and killed.

I know it's hard for "cancel culture" cultists to stay on topic when they get triggered into their conspiracy theory mass hysteria, but, do you have anything of a non character assassination nature to say about the substantive relevance of Whitlock's criticism of James?

Take your right wing buzz word phrasing regurgitation to some other post... I detest such clown like cloned ignorance".... spew it some other place.

 

[Ontologuy]

Take your right wing buzz word phrasing regurgitation to some other post... I detest such clown like cloned ignorance".... spew it some other place.

Or in other words, "I, RealityNow, have no substantively relevant on-topic response so I'll just spew some ad hominems at you!" .. Like most leftists do when they're at a loss for debate. :roll:

 

[ultmd]

This video is 17 minutes long, but it's packed with substantive relevance as to why people like LeBron James should be supremely enjoyed when they're playin' ball and talking about it ..

.. But should be completely ignored when he, in his obvious ignorance, begins to wax political, and even criticized for unethically opening his mouth about anything other than sports when a microphone is thrust in his face to talk about politics because and only because he's a sports star:

The highlights:

1. LeBron James is promoting racial tension by emotionally jumping to conclusions about current events when he is clueless about the associated facts.

2. James and other athletes unethically misuse their sports star status that garners them an over-sized voice to politically pander their position on politics and current events.

3. Sports stars like James are nearly always uneducated and ill-informed about current events and politics, and so they end up misinforming those who listen to them.

4. Thus sports stars most often error in their political presentations, and when they're speaking on race-relations, they end up being a bigger bigot than those they falsely accuse.

5. Sports stars don't cite valid information and statistics, they just mention a few anecdotal situations and then erroneously jump to false conclusions that mislead the public.

6. LeBron James jumps to anecdotal generalizations about the Black community that Black people would never want others to prejudice them with.

7. LeBron and sports stars end up riling up people with false presentations, and that causes increased civil unrest, people getting shot and killed, businesses looted, and increases poverty.

8. Lebron James out of ignorance egregiously makes unwarranted false suppositions about the mindset of the police, further contributing to the BLM conspiracy theory mass hysteria.

9. James is behaving like a bigot, generalizing about cops and White people and all, exactly the way people of Black communities don't want to be generalized themselves by White people.

10. Professional athletes need to stop talking about this stuff because they only make matters worse.

11. We should stop worshiping sports stars, as that sets us up to be deceived by them when they step away from their sport and step in front of the political microphone.

Yes, here's a former sports athlete who knows better than to jump to conclusions about current events and politics, and instead waits to gather more accurate information and process it intelligently to logically derive at conclusions and let's the law enforcement professionals present the matters.

If anyone knows other sports athletes it's him .. and his clear and accurate message about these sports stars is that sports stars are nearly always politically topically ignorant, thus they're spreading that ignorance and misinformation into the public political arena making terrible situations worse.

Ignorant arguments coming from someone (Whitlock) who, himself, is unworthy of being heard.

Why in the world would anyone care about what someone like Jason Whitlock thinks? How many networks has this guy managed to get fired from, anyway? I'm sure he has credibility (in the eyes of white conservatives), because he is African-American. But he and his views reflect those of the ignorant white people who follow his show on that alt-right radio network.

Ignorant takes from people like Whitlock serve only to give cover to ignorant white people hoping to avoid appearing to be the bigots they typically are.

As for Lebron James, he's as intelligent and qualified to speak on politics as people like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Candice Owens, etc. etc. I find it hilarious that so many of the "intellectual" leaders and heroes of conservatives hold nothing more than high school diplomas. And yet, you people worship them. Literally worship them.

Lebron James will continue to speak out, and he'll continue to be shown more respect by respectable people than almost anyone on FoxNews. And white wingers will just have to deal with it.

White conservatives who want athletes to stay out of politics are letting their slips show. It's not about the athletes. It's not even about politics. It's ENTIRELY about WHOSE politics. The same conservative snowflakes who whine incessantly (and ignorantly) about their "rights" whenever "liberals" criticize a rightwingers words...are now suggesting that "athletes" shut up about politics. That's some serious "irony" (i.e. breath-taking hypocrisy) for you, there.

Anyone want to guess how the OP feels about athletes or celebrities who have publicly expressed conservative political views?

 

[Puigb]

Ignorant arguments coming from someone (Whitlock) who, himself, is unworthy of being heard.

Why in the world would anyone care about what someone like Jason Whitlock thinks? How many networks has this guy managed to get fired from, anyway? I'm sure he has credibility (in the eyes of white conservatives), because he is African-American. But he and his views reflect those of the ignorant white people who follow his show on that alt-right radio network.

Ignorant takes from people like Whitlock serve only to give cover to ignorant white people hoping to avoid appearing to be the bigots they typically are.

As for Lebron James, he's as intelligent and qualified to speak on politics as people like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Candice Owens, etc. etc. I find it hilarious that so many of the "intellectual" leaders and heroes of conservatives hold nothing more than high school diplomas. And yet, you people worship them. Literally worship them.

Lebron James will continue to speak out, and he'll continue to be shown more respect by respectable people than almost anyone on FoxNews. And white wingers will just have to deal with it.

White conservatives who want athletes to stay out of politics are letting their slips show. It's not about the athletes. It's not even about the politics. It's ENTIRELY about WHOSE politics. The same conservative snowflakes who whine incessantly (and ignorantly) about their "rights" whenever "liberals" criticize a rightwingers words...are now suggesting that "athletes" shut up about politics. That's some serious "irony" (i.e. breath-taking hypocrisy) for you, there.

Anyone want to guess how the OP feels about athletes or celebrities who have publicly expressed conservative political views?

Jason Whitlock is just another Candace Owens and Hodgetwins. "Black conservatives" who say outlandish, and even racist drivel, who make white conservatives feel better because they can point to it and say "see, these black people agree with me!"

95%-99% of the people who hold clowns like Whitlock and Owens in high regard are white conservatives. I've never personally met a single black person who thinks they are anything else more than clowns.

 

[ultmd]

Jason Whitlock is just another Candace Owens and Hodgetwins. "Black conservatives" who say outlandish, and even racist drivel, who make white conservatives feel better because they can point to it and say "see, these black people agree with me!"

Bingo!

95%-99% of the people who hold clowns like Whitlock and Owens in high regard are white conservatives. I've never personally met a single black person who thinks they are anything else more than clowns.

Bingo, again!

A lot of people (primarily his supporters) mistake Trump's exploitation of a few prominent black/brown supporters as an appeal to black/brown voters. It's not.

It is, as you correctly noted, actually just an appeal to wobbly, undecided white suburbanite types who are looking for a reason to feel better about voting for an openly racist president again. They are bothered by the racism they see, and by the growing white nationalism in the country...and they don't want to consider themselves to be "racists". And THAT is why Trump props up Toms like Hershel Walker and Candace Owens, and the same 2 or 3 black "pastors" every chance he gets.

These are people with no following or support from other African-Americans....people who hold no positions of leadership or respect within African-American circles....but Trump understands that his white suburban target audience doesn't know that. But it's really just about the only chance Trump has to win (without cheating) in November.

And Oh, look...the OP (Mr. "Otologoguy") seems to have made a quiet exit from his own thread. And so have the other entitled white know-nothing dudes in this thread.

:lamo

 

[Ontologuy]

Ignorant arguments coming from someone (Whitlock) who, himself, is unworthy of being heard. Why in the world would anyone care about what someone like Jason Whitlock thinks? How many networks has this guy managed to get fired from, anyway? I'm sure he has credibility (in the eyes of white conservatives), because he is African-American. But he and his views reflect those of the ignorant white people who follow his show on that alt-right radio network. Ignorant takes from people like Whitlock serve only to give cover to ignorant white people hoping to avoid appearing to be the bigots they typically are.

Here you merely employ completely false arguments, as I already pointed out, in an attempt to perform a character assassination on Whitlock, as if you assassinate his character the obvious truth of what he says would simply vanish. This, of course, is mere fantasy on your part. And then you wax the bigot yourself with your false presumption about "ignorant White people". These are all losing arguments in a debate.

As for Lebron James, he's as intelligent and qualified to speak on politics as people like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Candice Owens, etc. etc.

So Whitlock, a professional political commentator, "isn't" qualified, but LeBron James, a mere sports star, "is" qualified to be considered an accurate political analyst???

And James is as qualified as all those other professional political commentators you mention (that, yes, simply differ in opinion with you)???

:lol:

That's truly laughably erroneous on your part.

I find it hilarious that so many of the "intellectual" leaders and heroes of conservatives hold nothing more than high school diplomas. And yet, you people worship them. Literally worship them.

You mean the way you appear to be worshiping your mere struggled high school graduate LeBron James?!

:lol:

Your hypocrisy is exceeded only by your erroneous premises that qualified conservatives ranks are loaded with those who advanced no further than high school .. and the erroneous premises that conservatives "worship" them.

The truth is that you're obviously projecting. You were projecting about your worshipful high school graduate James and you're projecting about the way you leftists worship your identity politics gurus.

Lebron James will continue to speak out, and he'll continue to be shown more respect by respectable people than almost anyone on FoxNews. And white wingers will just have to deal with it.

Maybe .. and maybe he will be erroneously respected by his 40 million sheep twitter followers.

But that won't make his perspective accurate or correct.

His current perspective reflects that he's truly drank the BLM conspiracy theory mass hysteria Kool-Aid as James is merely emotionally ranting and thereby concocting erroneous conclusions, not at all employing accurate information analysis to arrive at a logically correct conclusion.

James simply remains wrong in his assessments .. and Fox News, Whitlock, and others who employ accurate information analysis to arrive at logically correct conclusions are .. simply right.

 

[Ontologuy]

White conservatives who want athletes to stay out of politics are letting their slips show.

What about Black conservatives .. like, maybe, Whitlock .. and many others who want no-nothing athletes to kindly refrain from stirring up the masses with conspiracy theory mass hysteria that gets them injured and arrested and put in prison for many years .. what about these Black people?

Clearly you're letting your slips show, as you've got an obvious race-thing going here, like in your mind it's all Black liberals vs. White conservatives. :roll:

It's not about the athletes. It's not even about politics. It's ENTIRELY about WHOSE politics.

Wrong again, ultmd.

Whitlock made it perfectly clear what it's about: James is being a bigot and inciting his followers to riot, which will destroy their neighborhoods, get them injured, get them arrested, and get them imprisoned. Whitlock isn't saying anything more than that.

The same conservative snowflakes who whine incessantly (and ignorantly) about their "rights" whenever "liberals" criticize a rightwingers words...are now suggesting that "athletes" shut up about politics. That's some serious "irony" (i.e. breath-taking hypocrisy) for you, there.

Uh, there's no such thing as a "conservative" snowflake, ultmd -- you're projecting again, as snowflakes are found only on the left.

So the only whining is done on the left .. and the rest of your post here is just more projection, not at all reflective of anyone or ideology but the left.

And, regarding hypocrisy, how about leftist Pelosi getting her hair done the other day at a closed salon while she supports the shutdown -- talk about "leftist hypocrite privilege"! :lol:

Anyone want to guess how the OP feels about athletes or celebrities who have publicly expressed conservative political views?

Well, your guess would be wrong.

I'm a centrist, not a conservative or a liberal, and I opposed on ethical principle athletes, entertainers, and celebrities speaking on politics and issues simply because a microphone was shoved in their face with an unethical question from an unethical reporter. It's patently unfair for them to get a megaphone to blurt out their political opinions when the rest of us, therapists, construction workers, computer programmers, dentists, food workers, etc. don't get an equal form of voice.

If someone has earned their entry into the profession of politics, as an elected appointed servant, commentator, analyst, etc., then they are rightly more qualified to speak to the masses via the media and have their opinion considered.

Those like James who are simply not qualified to be addressing the masses politically are thereby, in their lack of qualification, most likely to do huge damage to the populous .. as James is clearly doing.

 

[RealityNow]

Ignorant arguments coming from someone (Whitlock) who, himself, is unworthy of being heard.

Why in the world would anyone care about what someone like Jason Whitlock thinks? How many networks has this guy managed to get fired from, anyway? I'm sure he has credibility (in the eyes of white conservatives), because he is African-American. But he and his views reflect those of the ignorant white people who follow his show on that alt-right radio network.

Ignorant takes from people like Whitlock serve only to give cover to ignorant white people hoping to avoid appearing to be the bigots they typically are.

As for Lebron James, he's as intelligent and qualified to speak on politics as people like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Candice Owens, etc. etc. I find it hilarious that so many of the "intellectual" leaders and heroes of conservatives hold nothing more than high school diplomas. And yet, you people worship them. Literally worship them.

Lebron James will continue to speak out, and he'll continue to be shown more respect by respectable people than almost anyone on FoxNews. And white wingers will just have to deal with it.

White conservatives who want athletes to stay out of politics are letting their slips show. It's not about the athletes. It's not even about politics. It's ENTIRELY about WHOSE politics. The same conservative snowflakes who whine incessantly (and ignorantly) about their "rights" whenever "liberals" criticize a rightwingers words...are now suggesting that "athletes" shut up about politics. That's some serious "irony" (i.e. breath-taking hypocrisy) for you, there.

Anyone want to guess how the OP feels about athletes or celebrities who have publicly expressed conservative political views?

You hit that square in the center of the nail, which always assures that the driving force,does not bend the nail and achieves the objective of the usage of the nail. (In simple terms, you called that B.S. out like it should be called out.)

These people have a long history of attacking and trying to silence any black person who does not buy into their right winger crap... and they seek out any black person who will function with the mindset like Stephen Warren for Django Unchained; when he does not say what they want him to say, they will tell him, go on in the house and get me a glass of Lemonade or any other dismissive phrase they can think to use.

 

[ultmd]

Look who's back! What a surprise!

Onto, what brings you back to this thread, huh? :wink:

Here you merely employ completely false arguments, as I already pointed out, in an attempt to perform a character assassination on Whitlock, as if you assassinate his character the obvious truth of what he says would simply vanish.

• -LOL, Whitlock's "character" was "assassinated" a long time ago...by Jason Whitlock, himself. I had nothing to do with it.
• -There is not one "truth" (obvious, or obscure) in those remarks. Not one. And I think you know that. It's an ignorant OPINION, backed up by NOTHING, that happens to affirm your personal biases.
• -The only reason people like you like it is because a black man is telling you what you want to hear.

This, of course, is mere fantasy on your part.

You're confused. The fantasy (i.e. lie) is your insistence that Whitlock imparted any "truths", rather that just his personal opinions. You just don't understand the difference between facts and opinions.

And then you wax the bigot yourself with your false presumption about "ignorant White people". These are all losing arguments in a debate.

No, those are just truths you don't like. But that's not my problem. Ignorant, conservative white men are Whitlock's core audience. Apparently, you fit some (or all) of that demographic.

So Whitlock, a professional political commentator, "isn't" qualified, but LeBron James, a mere sports star, "is" qualified to be considered an accurate political analyst???

Of course he is...but no more qualified than anyone else who cares to share his/her OPINION. And "professional commentator" is just a worthless title. It does't impart, nor even suggest, ANY kind of intellectual, educational or experiential expertise or knowledge. It just means he gets paid for running his mouth and contributing nothing of substance to society.

And James is as qualified as all those other professional political commentators you mention (that, yes, simply differ in opinion with you)???

Absolutely. There is no "professional commentator" test or educational standard. And there's a good reason for that. It's a FAKE "profession", populated by a lot of uneducated loudmouth provocateurs...and not much else. But I do LOL at your attempts to lionize the "profession" of uneducated morons like Rush, Hannity, Beck, etc.

You mean the way you appear to be worshiping your mere struggled high school graduate LeBron James?!

Not at all. You'll never see me posting quotes from Lebron or Whitlock, or Hannity, or Rush (or virtually ANY other "professional commentator"). That's for the intellectual midgets among us. Educated people don't confuse OPINION journalism with ACTUAL journalism.

Your hypocrisy is exceeded only by your erroneous premises that qualified conservatives ranks are loaded with those who advanced no further than high school .. and the erroneous premises that conservatives "worship" them.

No, I had that just about right. Sorry.

The truth is that you're obviously projecting.

...says the guy who just posted an OPINION piece as his OP. :lamo

Let me know when next you see me posting an OPINION piece, ok? Until then...the sycophancy and projection are all yours, my friend.

 

[ultmd]

Maybe .. and maybe he will be erroneously respected by his 40 million sheep twitter followers.

In your opinion, of course. Kinda like how Whitlock is "erroneously respected" by his 10 or 20 twitter followers (i.e. people like you) huh?

But that won't make his perspective accurate or correct.

It will obviously be more accurate, more thoughtful and more impactful than anything Whitlock might have to say. And for people like you (who get their "facts" and "news" from "professional commentators", etc), that's all that matters.

His current perspective reflects that he's truly drank the BLM conspiracy theory mass hysteria Kool-Aid as James is merely emotionally ranting and thereby concocting erroneous conclusions, not at all employing accurate information analysis to arrive at a logically correct conclusion.

I'm sure other uneducated conservatives like you probably agree with the above. Problem is...you people don't count.

James simply remains wrong in his assessments .. and Fox News, Whitlock, and others who employ accurate information analysis to arrive at logically correct conclusions are .. simply right.

Again, thanks for your uneducated opinion. Too bad you can't back any of it up with objective FACTS and cogent arguments, huh?

What about Black conservatives .. like, maybe, Whitlock .. and many others who want no-nothing athletes to kindly refrain from stirring up the masses with conspiracy theory mass hysteria that gets them injured and arrested and put in prison for many years .. what about these Black people?

No one cares what they think or say...except for the white conservatives who employ them to make ignorant conservative white people feel better about being bigots and racists. And ignorant, fact-free arguments like yours, above, are the reason why.

And, fyi... it's "know-nothing", not "no-nothing".

Whitlock made it perfectly clear what it's about: James is being a bigot and inciting his followers to riot, which will destroy their neighborhoods, get them injured, get them arrested, and get them imprisoned. Whitlock isn't saying anything more than that.

And if anyone (other than white conservative bigots) cared about, or even respected Whitlock's perspective...that might matter. But no one does...except people like you...so no one will give much thought to his opinion. For some reason, you are having a hard time accepting that reality. Why?

Uh, there's no such thing as a "conservative" snowflake,

Oh...there certainly is. You don't realize, because....well....:lamo

I'm a centrist, not a conservative or a liberal,

LOL, you're are conservative, and you're butt-hurt about James only because his opinions differ from yours.

It's patently unfair for them to get a megaphone to blurt out their political opinions when the rest of us, therapists, construction workers, computer programmers, dentists, food workers, etc. don't get an equal form of voice.

And you bristle at the mention of the term "conservative snowflake"? :lamo

If someone has earned their entry into the profession of politics, as an elected appointed servant, commentator, analyst, etc., then they are rightly more qualified to speak to the masses via the media and have their opinion considered.

Stupid comment. No one cares what you think the rules and standards should be. Go live in Russia if you hate the Constitution so much.

Those like James wo are simply not qualified to be addressing the masses politically are thereby, in their lack of qualification, most likely to do huge damage to the populous .. as James is clearly doing.

Again, James is as "qualified" as any of your wingnut heroes on FoxNews or satellite radio. Your idea of "qualified" is simply worthless to any other person who might read it.

 

[ultmd]

You hit that square in the center of the nail, which always assures that the driving force,does not bend the nail and achieves the objective of the usage of the nail. (In simple terms, you called that B.S. out like it should be called out.)

These people have a long history of attacking and trying to silence any black person who does not buy into their right winger crap... and they seek out any black person who will function with the mindset like Stephen Warren for Django Unchained; when he does not say what they want him to say, they will tell him, go on in the house and get me a glass of Lemonade or any other dismissive phrase they can think to use.

That's about right.

White conservatives LOVE to find black people who will preach their gospel, because it relieves them (at least, in their own feeble minds) from all moral, ethical and spiritual accountability for the absolutely EVIL and manipulative things they say and do to black people in this country. They know racism is wrong, but they love it too much to give it up. So they do whatever they can to BE racist, without saying it (in public, of course). And that's why they LOVE people like Candace Owens, Diamond and Silk, Ben Carson, The "Hodge Twins", etc. etc. That's also why they scurry to find a quote from one of their "favorite black people" every time the issue of race/racism comes up in discussion.

You never see them post words or deeds from their "favorite black people" for ANY other occasion. It's like Candace Owens, et. al. are literally invisible to their white conservative masters UNTIL the issue of race pops up. But they pay them well, and treat them nicely...so both side are ok with the bargain.

They aren't actually interested in appealing to African-Americans. They really just hope to make enough moderate white voters say "Well, if those black people support Trump (or any other Republican), maybe Trump is not a racist after all". And THAT (along with suppressing minority voters) is the key to winning elections for the GOP in America today.

 

[RealityNow]

That's about right.

White conservatives LOVE to find black people who will preach their gospel, because it relieves them (at least, in their own feeble minds) from all moral, ethical and spiritual accountability for the things they say and do. They know racism is wrong, but they love it too much to give it up. So they do whatever they can to BE racist, without saying it (in public, of course). That's why Trumpsters today LOVE people like Candace Owens, Diamond and Silk, Ben Carson, The "Hodge Twins", etc. etc.

They aren't actually interested in appealing to African-Americans. They really just hope to make enough moderate white voters say "Well, if those black people support Trump (or any other Republican), maybe Trump is not a racist after all". And THAT (along with suppressing minority voters) is the key to winning elections for the GOP in America today.

They still like the self delusions like their ancestry gained from the old system of "Slaves who worked in the house".... telling him how great he is... Their vanity was so desperate and the ego so lusting for praise... they never figured out...
The slave... detested the vile in his heart and savage treachery within his soul to be slave holder...

The slave had to be smarter than the slave holder... just to keep the slave holder from going rabid with savage impulses and harming his/her family, or trying to sell them off and break up their family.

These black people who pander to these white racist... know... they can play the the racist in such ways, where the white racist will give and do what ever for them, as long as the white racist can continue in what he considers means and ways to use them to try and cover his own guilt and his own savage mentality and his savage constructed ideals agenda.
The minute one of them 'calls one of these racist out" or some "act, policy or agenda" out for what it is of racist savagery.... they will launch an attack on these blacks... if the black who do this slip and become unaware and does not get out of harms way quick enough. they will engage any conjured act of savagery against and upon them.

 

[Logical1]

To think athletes and movie stars are political gurus and should be listened to is insane.

 

[ultmd]

To think athletes and movie stars are political gurus and should be listened to is insane.

"Insane" is being a conservative and having so many of your most popular/prominent political leaders and heroes be high school educated morons and college dropouts.

I don't know of anyone who looks to athletes or movie stars for political leadership or wisdom. But I do know a LOT of people who trust and rely upon the Limbaughs, Hannities, Becks, Candace Owens', and Steve Kings (etc. etc.) of the world. And ALL of these people are conservatives.

Coincidence?

I think not.

 

[Puigb]

Bingo!



Bingo, again!

A lot of people (primarily his supporters) mistake Trump's exploitation of a few prominent black/brown supporters as an appeal to black/brown voters. It's not.

It is, as you correctly noted, actually just an appeal to wobbly, undecided white suburbanite types who are looking for a reason to feel better about voting for an openly racist president again. They are bothered by the racism they see, and by the growing white nationalism in the country...and they don't want to consider themselves to be "racists". And THAT is why Trump props up Toms like Hershel Walker and Candace Owens, and the same 2 or 3 black "pastors" every chance he gets.

These are people with no following or support from other African-Americans....people who hold no positions of leadership or respect within African-American circles....but Trump understands that his white suburban target audience doesn't know that. But it's really just about the only chance Trump has to win (without cheating) in November.

And Oh, look...the OP (Mr. "Otologoguy") seems to have made a quiet exit from his own thread. And so have the other entitled white know-nothing dudes in this thread.

:lamo

Keep in mind, that after winning in 2016, Trump literally "thanked" black voters for staying home, and thus giving him the narrow edge he needed to defeat Clinton in a few "blue states" that Obama won twice. Like you said, one of the only ways he wins again is if he and the GOP can attempt to manipulate enough minority voters, particularly black voters, to stay home again, because he knows they are a significant portion of the Democratic base.

Also, as much as I hate to say it, I've noticed there is good $$$ in the "pandering to white grievance" market. Hodgetwins are a perfect example. I used to follow them back when they did work out videos, and even food blogs, and I don't remember them EVER discussing politics. And while they were pretty big then, they blew up the moment they decided to don "MAGA hats" and cater to white conservatives on social media. Being a "black conservative" constantly crapping on black people, and repeating right wing talking points, is a lucrative market. Hodgetwins, Owens, and Whitlock know this.