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Special report: We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness and

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Libya has plunged unnoticed into its worst political and economic crisis since the defeat of Gaddafi




By Patrick Cockburn
03 September 2013


A little under two years ago, Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, urged British businessmen to begin “packing their suitcases” and to fly to Libya to share in the reconstruction of the country and exploit an anticipated boom in natural resources.


Yet now Libya has almost entirely stopped producing oil as the government loses control of much of the country to militia fighters.

Mutinying security men have taken over oil ports on the Mediterranean and are seeking to sell crude oil on the black market. Ali Zeidan, Libya’s Prime Minister, has threatened to “bomb from the air and the sea” any oil tanker trying to pick up the illicit oil from the oil terminal guards, who are mostly former rebels who overthrew Muammar Gaddafi and have been on strike over low pay and alleged government corruption since July.

As world attention focused on the coup in Egypt and the poison gas attack in Syria over the past two months, Libya has plunged unnoticed into its worst political and economic crisis since the defeat of Gaddafi two years ago. Government authority is disintegrating in all parts of the country putting in doubt claims by American, British and French politicians that Nato’s military action in Libya in 2011 was an outstanding example of a successful foreign military intervention which should be repeated in Syria.

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Obama’s legacy. We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness and ruin. No wonder it's a phony scandal to Obama. The death of 4 and badly wounding of another America are nothing compared to the chaos and destruction he has caused in Libya.
 

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Re: Special report: We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness

Libya has plunged unnoticed into its worst political and economic crisis since the defeat of Gaddafi




By Patrick Cockburn
03 September 2013


A little under two years ago, Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, urged British businessmen to begin “packing their suitcases” and to fly to Libya to share in the reconstruction of the country and exploit an anticipated boom in natural resources.


Yet now Libya has almost entirely stopped producing oil as the government loses control of much of the country to militia fighters.

Mutinying security men have taken over oil ports on the Mediterranean and are seeking to sell crude oil on the black market. Ali Zeidan, Libya’s Prime Minister, has threatened to “bomb from the air and the sea” any oil tanker trying to pick up the illicit oil from the oil terminal guards, who are mostly former rebels who overthrew Muammar Gaddafi and have been on strike over low pay and alleged government corruption since July.

As world attention focused on the coup in Egypt and the poison gas attack in Syria over the past two months, Libya has plunged unnoticed into its worst political and economic crisis since the defeat of Gaddafi two years ago. Government authority is disintegrating in all parts of the country putting in doubt claims by American, British and French politicians that Nato’s military action in Libya in 2011 was an outstanding example of a successful foreign military intervention which should be repeated in Syria.

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Obama’s legacy.
We all thought Libya had moved on
– it has, but into lawlessness and ruin. No wonder it's a phony scandal to Obama. The death of 4 and badly wounding of another America are nothing compared to the chaos and destruction he has caused in Libya.




You thought wrong, Libya has not moved on.

Like the Right in the USA it's stuck in the past, in a Groundhog Day-like time-warp.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

 

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Re: Special report: We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness

You thought wrong, Libya has not moved on.

Like the Right in the USA it's stuck in the past, in a Groundhog Day-like time-warp.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.


you seem proud that Libya is all ****ed up....
 

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Re: Special report: We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness

Libya has plunged unnoticed into its worst political and economic crisis since the defeat of Gaddafi




By Patrick Cockburn
03 September 2013


A little under two years ago, Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, urged British businessmen to begin “packing their suitcases” and to fly to Libya to share in the reconstruction of the country and exploit an anticipated boom in natural resources.


Yet now Libya has almost entirely stopped producing oil as the government loses control of much of the country to militia fighters.

Mutinying security men have taken over oil ports on the Mediterranean and are seeking to sell crude oil on the black market. Ali Zeidan, Libya’s Prime Minister, has threatened to “bomb from the air and the sea” any oil tanker trying to pick up the illicit oil from the oil terminal guards, who are mostly former rebels who overthrew Muammar Gaddafi and have been on strike over low pay and alleged government corruption since July.

As world attention focused on the coup in Egypt and the poison gas attack in Syria over the past two months, Libya has plunged unnoticed into its worst political and economic crisis since the defeat of Gaddafi two years ago. Government authority is disintegrating in all parts of the country putting in doubt claims by American, British and French politicians that Nato’s military action in Libya in 2011 was an outstanding example of a successful foreign military intervention which should be repeated in Syria.

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Special report: We all thought Libya had moved on

Obama’s legacy. We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness and ruin. No wonder it's a phony scandal to Obama. The death of 4 and badly wounding of another America are nothing compared to the chaos and destruction he has caused in Libya.

you seem proud that Libya is all ****ed up....




Are you proud that the Right in the USA is as disorganized and ****ed up as a chinese fire drill?




"Better day's are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

 

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Re: Special report: We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness

you seem proud that Libya is all ****ed up....

No where have I made that claim. In fact I was against Obama's interference in the Libyan revolt just as I've been in all the Arab Spring actions. In my searches I ran across this and felt it should be posted here. BTW are you proud of the action of Obama in Libya and Benghazi itself?
 

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Re: Special report: We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness

It's almost as if international politics is complex and shouldn't be left to simplistic idiots like Bush.
 

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Re: Special report: We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness

It's almost as if international politics is complex and shouldn't be left to simplistic idiots like Bush.

Libya and Egypt both are worse places now that they are in turmoil. Bush should never have injected us into their domestic affairs ...
 

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Re: Special report: We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness

No where have I made that claim. In fact I was against Obama's interference in the Libyan revolt just as I've been in all the Arab Spring actions. In my searches I ran across this and felt it should be posted here. BTW are you proud of the action of Obama in Libya and Benghazi itself?

umm,Ii wasn't talking to you, no need to respond to me as if I were.

but no, i'm not particularly proud of any of the exploits of most of our recent Presidents.. they've all been pretty much retarded when it comes to foreign affairs.
Obama seems to be rather.. unlucky... in his foreign affairs.... Libya is certainly one of those affairs he wishes everyone would forget about... Syria , well,that's still on the table, but it's not looking to bright.
 

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Re: Special report: We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness

Are you proud that the Right in the USA is as disorganized and ****ed up as a chinese fire drill?




"Better day's are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.


I don't give a **** about the right.. or the left... I don't belong to either.
I think the right and the left are ****ed in the head...and i think its funny neither recognizes their own shortcomings.

have fun with the lefts latest round of warmongering.... :2wave:
 

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Re: Special report: We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness

Libya and Egypt both are worse places now that they are in turmoil. Bush should never have injected us into their domestic affairs ...

No, they aren't. Moving toward democracy after years of despotism is never an easy process. I'm just glad Obama didn't spend $3T and kill thousands of people like Bush did.
 

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Re: Special report: We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness

umm,Ii wasn't talking to you, no need to respond to me as if I were.

but no, i'm not particularly proud of any of the exploits of most of our recent Presidents.. they've all been pretty much retarded when it comes to foreign affairs.
Obama seems to be rather.. unlucky... in his foreign affairs.... Libya is certainly one of those affairs he wishes everyone would forget about... Syria , well,that's still on the table, but it's not looking to bright.

Sorry if you feel insulted for a response to your post. I thought this was an open forum. I agree that the some bad choices of presidential candidates have been made. As far as being unlucky in foreign affairs? I personally think Obama has made his own bed and now has to lie in it. Obama retreated from Iraq, interfered with the stability of the Middle East by touting the Muslim Brotherhood, pushed the depose of Kaddafi and Mubarak and now has drawn two redlines regarding Assad and his treatment of his people. We tend to forget how Obama treated the revolt in Iran. Claiming hard luck? Hmm...., ineptitude yes. Just another poor choice in presidents. That's politics for you.
 

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No, they aren't. Moving toward democracy after years of despotism is never an easy process. I'm just glad Obama didn't spend $3T and kill thousands of people like Bush did.

Careful now, this is just starting. TLAMS don't cost ten bucks apiece ya know. Then there's the joker in the pack, Russia. One errant missile, or bomb that hits the Russian port or kills Russians and here comes WWIII. Remember the Chinese Embassy in Kosovo? At least Bubba handled that embarrassment properly. Obama is not noted best for his foreign policies.

Here everyone is talking about Iraq. I remember how Vietnam started and I see comparisons there. Obama has lost it before it has even started.
 
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