Is it possible for the House majority to elect a Speaker that is not a member of the HoR?
Article One, Section Two, Clause Five is a bit vague.
mea culpaIt would be helpful if you'd post the text you reference.
Is it possible for the House majority to elect a Speaker that is not a member of the HoR?
Article One, Section Two, Clause Five is a bit vague.
Where are they outlined?No, the speaker has duties within the House.
How would the fact that the SoH is not a House member affect the order of succession?It has been expressed, repeatedly, in academia, that it is not a stated requirement that the House Speaker be a voting Member of the body. However, it is unlikely, and would upend a number of legal expectations, were that to happen. Among them the presidential succession order.
It's not that the Speaker is not a Member, it's that the order of succession lists the Speaker of the House in the line of succession. In the case of the inability of the President and Vice President to continue to serve, that would mean an unelected person (except by the House Membership) would become President, a prospect that a number of people object to. In all other cases, the person has been elected to office, or appointed and confirmed by a majority of the Senate - thus vetted publicly. I was merely pointing out that there are expectations of the Speakership that are not, strictly speaking, in the Constitution.How would the fact that the SoH is not a House member affect the order of succession?
I understand the logic, but it does not seem to be addressed in our Constitution. To your post #7, “unlikely” and “upended legal expectations” have been the norm lately.It's not that the Speaker is not a Member, it's that the order of succession lists the Speaker of the House in the line of succession. In the case of the inability of the President and Vice President to continue to serve, that would mean an unelected person (except by the House Membership) would become President, a prospect that a number of people object to. In all other cases, the person has been elected to office, or appointed and confirmed by a majority of the Senate - thus vetted publicly. I was merely pointing out that there are expectations of the Speakership that are not, strictly speaking, in the Constitution.
There are practical reasons, I think, for both selection of the Speaker from the membership (the norm), and for picking an outside person. Under the present situation, the Speaker acts not only as the leader of the House itself, but of their party. I consider this, often, to be a conflict of interest, and many Speakers have taken that to extremes (Newt Gingrich and Denny Hastert come to mind). The House is supposed to represent all of the people, not just their party, and the Speaker should be someone that takes that to heart. In that regard, selection of someone from outside of the Members could further that purpose. On the other hand, I think it would be difficult, as a practical matter, for the Speaker to influence Members if they, themselves, didn't have to run for office or have a vote in Congress.
That’s kinda where i was going with this line of thought.Looking forward to Republican Congressional candidates pledging to vote for Trump as House Speaker if they win.
I'd like to see the look on Kevin McCarthy's face if that happened.
Click on a poster's avatar/screen name and a box will pop up then click the start a conversation button.can you please tell me how to start a conversation.
Trump would never concede to being a mere "Member" of the House. Unless he got a cut of the membership fees.
That’s kinda where i was going with this line of thought.
Gaetz leaves, voluntarily or other, DeSantis appoints Trump, the GOP takes the House in 2022....................was another scenario.
If the Vice President is being impeached, do they still retain a vote in the Senate in the event of a tie?Impeach Biden and Harris. Trump elevates to the presidency, runs again in 2024 because he only served part of a term, and voila - pretty much "president for life."
There is a school of thought that this is why an obscure Representative was elevated to the VP.If the Speaker were not already an elected member, it would probably be a temporary position at best. Members vie for that position. They lobby their fellow majority members for votes at the beginning of each session. I can't envision a scenario wherein the majority party would reject one of their own to bring in an outsider, especially considering they are second only to the VP in the presidential line of succession.
As far as the presidential line of succession, here is an interesting factoid: Gerald R. Ford is the only person who has ascended to the presidency who was never elected into the line of succession. He was an obscure Michigan congressman who was nominated by Richard Nixon to replace VP Spiro Agnew when Agnew resigned amid a criminal scandal. Ford became president when Nixon resigned. When Ford ran for president as the incumbent, the electorate rejected him in favor of democrat Jimmy Carter. Many political analysts believe Ford's surprise blanket pardon of Nixon for "any crimes he may have committed" cost him the election. Ford never sought public office after his brief stint as president.
If the Speaker were not already an elected member, it would probably be a temporary position at best. Members vie for that position. They lobby their fellow majority members for votes at the beginning of each session. I can't envision a scenario wherein the majority party would reject one of their own to bring in an outsider, especially considering they are second only to the VP in the presidential line of succession.
As far as the presidential line of succession, here is an interesting factoid: Gerald R. Ford is the only person who has ascended to the presidency who was never elected into the line of succession. He was an obscure Michigan congressman who was nominated by Richard Nixon to replace VP Spiro Agnew when Agnew resigned amid a criminal scandal. Ford became president when Nixon resigned. When Ford ran for president as the incumbent, the electorate rejected him in favor of democrat Jimmy Carter. Many political analysts believe Ford's surprise blanket pardon of Nixon for "any crimes he may have committed" cost him the election. Ford never sought public office after his brief stint as president.
There is a school of thought that this is why an obscure Representative was elevated to the VP.
If the Vice President is being impeached, do they still retain a vote in the Senate in the event of a tie?
Trump would never concede to being a mere "Member" of the House. Unless he got a cut of the membership fees.
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