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Spanish Documents Suggest Irish Arrived in America Before Columbus

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While Christopher Columbus is generally credited with having "discovered" America in 1492, a 1521 Spanish report provides inklings of evidence that there were, in fact, Irish people settled in America prior to Columbus' journey.
“Researchers feel certain that there was a colony of Irish folk living in what is now South Carolina, when Christopher Columbus 'thought' he had discovered the New World,” writes Richard Thornton for The Examiner.

In 1520, Peter Martyr d'Anghiera, a historian and professor, was appointed by Charles V, ruler of the Holy Roman Empire from 1519, to be chronicler for the new Council of the Indies.

Though Martyr died in 1526, his report, founded on several weeks of interviews, was published posthumously in a book named "De Orbe Novo" (About the New World). The book has been published and translated numerous times in the centuries since then. The passages concerning the land that would become Georgia and the Carolinas were always included, but generally ignored, says Thornton.,

Spanish documents suggest Irish arrived in America before Columbus - IrishCentral.com
 

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While interviewing Spanish colonists, Martyr took note of their vicious treatment of Chicora Indians. However, he also included in his report that the Spanish colonists had a very good relationship with another nearby colony, which Martyr reported to be named Duhare.

Physically, the people of Duhare appeared to be European according to the Spanish colonists in the area. The people of Duhare had red to brown hair, tan skin and gray eyes, and were noticeably taller than the Spanish. According to Spanish accounts, the people of Duhare were Caucasian, though their houses and pottery were similar to those of American Indians.

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The Native Americans got to America first.

Everyone else arrived far behind them.
 

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The Native Americans got to America first.

Everyone else arrived far behind them.

Story doesn't say "whites are the true natives". Story says that some Irish sailors possibly predated Columbus.
 

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Very interesting. The Age of Exploration is one of my favorite time periods of which to read.
 

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the red hair could just be clay or dye, maybe even just a case of albinism, which is common among secluded tribes, some tribes like the Kuna even worshipped albino children believing they had magic powers.

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Its not that far-fetched to assume a whole tribe being effected by it
 

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Yes, interesting stuff, thanks for the link.

Lots of competition for ol Cristobal Colon [ as Columbus is known down here] being first of the Europeans to "discover" the Americas. It is also rumored the Scots, particularly Prince Henry St. Claire, were also here before along with some Spanish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno_map Temple of Mysteries - The Zeno Map & Narrative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I_Sinclair,_Earl_of_Orkney related to the Templar mysteries after the King of France/Catholic Church falling out with the capture and disbandment of the Templars in the early 1300s...interesting if true... I have been to the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland, built in 1446, seen the carvings of corn, a new world plant etched there way before ol CC's voyage.

Then you have stories of the Basques being there before, The Basques Were Here | Arts & Culture | Smithsonian and of course the Vikings... so Colombus seems only to have had the best publicist apparently, ha ha ha.

All very interesting historical speculation.
 

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The Native Americans got to America first.

Everyone else arrived far behind them.
Maybe, maybe not. Ever hear of Kennewick Man? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man Seems his bones are even older than any Native American, so maybe the current "Native Americans" getting here first, which also implies that they are not anymore native than any of the rest of us, may be false.
 

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Maybe, maybe not. Ever hear of Kennewick Man? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man Seems his bones are even older than any Native American, so maybe the current "Native Americans" getting here first, which also implies that they are not anymore native than any of the rest of us, may be false.

It is false. Common sense would tell anyone that. Going by history the first "man" appeared in Africa and man migrated out from there. Eventually some people found the land bridge to go into N. America. Which eventually became unusable for awhile. When it became available again more people migrated across pushing the ones that were already there further down south. Rinse, repeat, recycle. Eventually those first people got pushed so far south that they lived in S. America. And as far as I know those that were/are living in S. America were never called "Indians" or "Native Americans" like their late arriving "cousins" here in N. America.

Edit: Just to note I'm not talking about the Kennewick man there. It's possible that he is from the original tribe that moved across the land bridge the first time. Or at the very least maybe the 2nd crossing? Hard to really know unfortunately.
 
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I remember this. They were drunk when they washed up.
 

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"All the problems that we face in the USA today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian." ~ Pat Paulsen
 

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"All the problems that we face in the USA today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian." ~ Pat Paulsen

True. There was absolutely no vetting process at all. All it took was a few prospective settlers to see corn, and everybody everywhere on the planet knew whiskey was the next big thing here. The Native Americans were caught completely unaware.
 

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There are 6th century Irish tales of a monk, St Brendan, whose story is of a long voyage to America and back in a cowskin boat or curragh. Tim Severin, a writer/explorer recreated it wand wrote a book, neatly tying in the strange things recorded in the tale to actual places and events en route.

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While this is all interesting, it does not supplant the fact that Columbus' discovery is far more important, as it is what lead to further discovery and to what the America's are today.
 

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While this is all interesting, it does not supplant the fact that Columbus' discovery is far more important, as it is what lead to further discovery and to what the America's are today.

Lots of people "discovered" the Americas, but it was Columbus who opened the doors to the New World. We know that there was a very large population in N. America that was nearly wiped out by disease a generation or so prior to Columbus' arriving and it's a pretty safe assumption that the disease was most likely the result of an unfortunate encounter with a previous "discoverer." The thing is, without that disease, there's very little chance of a successful colonization of N America. Too much competition for resources and too much opposition.
 

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Others may have gotten here before Columbus, but the Spanish brought the smallpox.
 

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..and the Chinese, the aboriginal "Russians", Polynesians, possibly Phonecians... WHO CARES???!! Do we talk about who discovered Africa, Europe or Madagascar??

Nobody "Discovered Africa", mankind was born there.
 

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Nobody "Discovered Africa", mankind was born there.

This is a Eurocentric thread, as if indigenous people were going around saying "I wish a European explorer would come along and tell us where we are".
 

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..and the Chinese, the aboriginal "Russians", Polynesians, possibly Phonecians... WHO CARES???!! Do we talk about who discovered Africa, Europe or Madagascar??
People who enjoy history and anthropology care, dickhead. Go **** on your own threads.
 
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