Spain judge says Bush and Iraq war allies should face war crimes charges

[danarhea]

World opinion has been gravitating towards trying Bush for war crimes, and today, a judge in Spain has added his opinion. This comes just two days after an ICC official stated that both Bush and Blair may eventually face war crimes charges.


Article is here.

 

[Iriemon]

I'd guess W isn't going to be taking that vacation on the Costa del Sol any time soon.

 

[PeteEU]

I'd guess W isn't going to be taking that vacation on the Costa del Sol any time soon.

darn, guess we will have to make due with the millions of other tourists :2razz:

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

World opinion has been gravitating towards trying Bush for war crimes, and today, a judge in Spain has added his opinion. This comes just two days after an ICC official stated that both Bush and Blair may eventually face war crimes charges.


Article is here.

Ive heard several countries wanting to do this. Spain is the first time I hear this about. Not surprised. I think the US should at least have some kind of transparancy week about the Bush term and investigate and find out what really happend.
The reality may be worse than people think. The US people should demand investiogation. Imagine if he is a traitor, a seboteur and goes unpunished. Imagine a president for the first time receiving death penalty for treason. More articles about the ICC and warcrime charges btw:

JURIST - Paper Chase: ICC prosecutor says Bush, Blair could face war crimes investigation
UK Indymedia - Bush, Blair could face War-crimes Charges
BBC NEWS | Europe | Lawyers sue Blair over war
Anti-War Movement to Sue Bush, Blair Over Iraq

 

[Ikari]

There are many things to be pissed at Bush about and there do need to be investigations, IMO. It is clear now that the information before the war was in the very least massaged to lead people to conclude war, the entirety of the war has been mishandled from day 1, things like Patriot Act and Military Commissions Acts are inexcusable expansions of government (though the Congress is at fault for those too). The President must be accountable to We the People, he must be constrained by the Constitution, he is responsible for his actions and must accept the consequences of them.

But in the end, other countries and the ICC do not hold any sovereignty over the US.

 

[ludahai]

And the LEGAL basis for such prosecutions would be?

This is purely political - nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Iriemon]

And the LEGAL basis for such prosecutions would be?

This is purely political - nothing more, nothing less.

Is that what happened to Hussein?

 

[WI Crippler]

But in the end, other countries and the ICC do not hold any sovereignty over the US.

Your entire post was pretty spot on. I do love this line though......

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

And the LEGAL basis for such prosecutions would be?

This is purely political - nothing more, nothing less.

Its not political, its ethically and morally right. Its just simply the right thing to do.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

And the LEGAL basis for such prosecutions would be?

This is purely political - nothing more, nothing less.

What was the LEGAL basis for invading Iraq and hanging Saddam Hussein?

 

[Gibberish]

What a Spanish judge thinks of a US president has no precedence and is pointless as there is no authority present.

 

[Voidwar]

Is that what happened to Hussein?

Hussien was quite different, as the folks who called for him to be stomped, actually had the capability to stomp him.

If Spain Indicts W, we should freeze all Spanish accounts and embargo their ***. Oops, oddly enough, every boat bound for Cadiz, Valencia or Barcelona began to catch torpedos from "pirates". I think one of these **** talkers needs to be consequenced.

 

[jallman]

But in the end, other countries and the ICC do not hold any sovereignty over the US.

Absolutely!!! Why should we care what Spain and the ICC have to say about our president?

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Absolutely!!! Why should we care what Spain and the ICC have to say about our president?

Why should you care about anyones opinion? Even your own people. Maybe its better to be a bubble boy, living in a bubble must be quite relieving.

 

[jallman]

Why should you care about anyones opinion? Even your own people. Maybe its better to be a bubble boy, living in a bubble must be quite relieving.

Oh buuuurnnnnn!!!! :roll:

We in America don't know too much about living in bubbles. We spend too much time out of our bubbles passing out humanitarian aid and keeping Europe from speaking German and goose stepping. :mrgreen:

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Hussien was quite different, as the folks who called for him to be stomped, actually had the capability to stomp him.

If Spain Indicts W, we should freeze all Spanish accounts and embargo their ***. Oops, oddly enough, every boat bound for Cadiz, Valencia or Barcelona began to catch torpedos from "pirates". I think one of these **** talkers needs to be consequenced.

That would be incredibly smart, since the EU would then counter that. It would lead to a trade war between the two biggest economies of the world and lead to the collapse of the US, EU and world economy, it would in the end lead to fall of men.

Do you have any idea how economically dependent the US is on the EU and vica versa?

They account for 60% of the world economy.
They account for a majority of world trade.
Each other foreign investments are mainly in each other.

 

[WI Crippler]

Its not political, its ethically and morally right. Its just simply the right thing to do.

So was taking out Saddam, if you are going to play that card. Tell me how it wasn't, I'd love to hear that.....

 

[RightOfCenter]

Why should you care about anyones opinion? Even your own people. Maybe its better to be a bubble boy, living in a bubble must be quite relieving.

The US will act in what it perceives to be it's best interest. I doubt even most of the farthest left liberals in the US would allow the president to be tried by another country.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Oh buuuurnnnnn!!!! :roll:

We in America don't know too much about living in bubbles. We spend too much time out of our bubbles passing out humanitarian aid and keeping Europe from speaking German and goose stepping. :mrgreen:

You dont? Thats why you have your foreign policy then? Thats why you havent hung GWB for treason and sabotage? thats why you dont care about the neocons ruining your country?

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

The US will act in what it perceives to be it's best interest. I doubt even most of the farthest left liberals in the US would allow the president to be tried by another country.

The president of the US should be tried in the US in my opinion.

 

[jallman]

You dont? Thats why you have your foreign policy then? Thats why you havent hung GWB for treason and sabotage? thats why you dont care about the neocons ruining your country?

The neocons...definitely care about them. They actually matter as they are actually Americans with say in our government. Again, a Spanish judge has no relevance to our domestic policies. RightofCenter had it correct...we will not allow another country to try our president. This judge is completely irrelevant as are you.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

So was taking out Saddam, if you are going to play that card. Tell me how it wasn't, I'd love to hear that.....

It was, but invading Iraq and ruining their country to archieve it was wrong. You should simply have sent a a small force to arrest Saddam and bring him before the ICC. Now that would be morally right, but then again, to make it right, you would have to allow your president to be tried at the same time since he already authorized the Iraq massacre.

 

[jallman]

It was, but invading Iraq and ruining their country to archieve it was wrong. You should simply have sent a a small force to arrest Saddam and bring him before the ICC. Now that would be morally right, but then again, to make it right, you would have to allow your president to be tried at the same time since he already authorized the Iraq massacre.

There has been no Iraq massacre. I call bullshit.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

The neocons...definitely care about them. They actually matter as they are actually Americans with say in our government. Again, a Spanish judge has no relevance to our domestic policies. RightofCenter had it correct...we will not allow another country to try our president. This judge is completely irrelevant as are you.

At least he will know that if he goes to Spain he will be arrested.

And yeah, you are also irrelevant like me. The judge however is not.

 

[Vader]

World opinion has been gravitating towards trying Bush for war crimes, and today, a judge in Spain has added his opinion. This comes just two days after an ICC official stated that both Bush and Blair may eventually face war crimes charges.

Article is here.

The judge in question is a total moron who needs to shut his useless pie hole. We're fighting against the same people who bombed two commuter trains in Spain.

He's probably a spanish muslim or some such thing. Either way, he needs to go suck on his gavel.

I am not pro-war and I certainly not fan of Bush or his neo-con masters; however, I do get pissed off when I here some idiot ranting about punishing those who are trying to get rid of the vary terrorists (Al Qaida) who attack and murdered civilians.

I sincerely hope somebody repeatedly beats this tard-judge over the head with his gavel.

:doh