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Sources: Trump learned a lesson on dealmaking

Of course. That issue affects his fortune. He could care less about insurance.

Riiight. Point missed.

BTW, I think you mean, he couldn't care less about insurance. :roll:
 
I did. It was the title of the article.

There was also this in the fourth paragraph: "One senior administration official said the President obviously learned some lessons about the "power" of special interests..."

So, considering that both of these were blindingly obvious, can you please tell me whether or not you actually read the article? Or, even the title of the article? Or, did you just make an assumption and roll with it?
 
Yes I did. Byproduct of working 12 hour midnight shifts. Thanks for the correction.

12 hour midnight shifts? :shock: Doing what, if you don't mind my asking?
 

What I was looking for was some form of communication from Trump himself to suggest he "learned" anything. Considering the articles and tweets showing him lay the blame at the feet of Ryan, Democrats, the HFC, and possibly Priebus implies that no lessons were actually learned on his part.

Relax, Radcen. I'm aware the article was making a more informal use of the phrase "he learned a lesson," which was used here to communicate that the realities of legislation and politicking kicked Trump in the back of his head. I'm going with the more literal use, because more importantly I have little reason to think he won't make the exact same mistake next time.
 

Trump was using the "editorial" we and not the "inclusive" we. I seriously doubt that a 70 year old egomaniac is going to learn humility any time soon.
 
Ok, and I agree he will make the same mistake next time. I said elsewhere... in this thread or another, I forget... that he himself most likely has learned nothing at all. IMO it's just spin from his people to attempt to diffuse the situation.

He can't even do a Reagan-esque, "I take full responsibility.", which meant nothing of course, but it did stop things in their tracks. No, he had to do the 12 yr old juvenile pointing of fingers.
 

I think the country is so desperate for normality at this point that it would be relieved if he said "Mistakes were made."
 
Nuke power plant refueling outage. Calibrating reactor safety systems.

Don't worry, I calibrate much better than I spell..........

Haha, cool. Be safe in there man. Cool job.

I like your state, I get down to Louisville a few times a year to work.
 

Alternatively he wasn't interested in the bill, because he didn't expect or even want it to pass. It is almost never best to float the policy you want first. The one you want should be the most acceptable of three proposals. So, let's see the next to come.
 

Ryan certainly didn't look proud of himself.
 
In a general and historical sense I believe this has truth. It's also wise to pick one's battles and not waste political capital on any one thing. But, Trump's not the typical politician, as we keep being told, and I don't think he thinks things through that deeply.
 

He certainly is an odd politician.
 
Ryan certainly didn't look proud of himself.
I've been thinking about Ryan a lot lately. I'm wondering what he truly thinks about all this, that maybe he's not saying. Does he truly believe in Trump? Or, is he going along because he feels it's the *better/best* (read that in a relative sense) of what reality is right now? I tend to suspect the latter.

And while I generally like Ryan, I'm not sure what to think of him right now. On the one hand I am inclined to lose respect because he's caving to an unwise path and pressure, but on the other hand I'm not sure what choice he really has.

:shrug:
 
Ok, got'cha.

As far as the part in red, you mean just like pretty much any and every significant bill that goes through Congress. That scenario is in no way unique to these two.

It was a b it different.

This spending bill originated in the Senate.

It was passed "as is" so it would not need to go to committee and then back to the Senate where it would have been defeated.

But, in terms of the impact of the two presidents and how the 2 bills reflected what was said on the campaign trail, it's about the same.
 
So it looks like we've got:

Pelosi > Ryan
Obama > Trump

Both Obama and Pelosi are more strongly developed politicians than their opposite numbers.

Being a strongly developed politician, in my my mind, is like being a strongly developed a foul odor.
 
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