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Sorry Anti-Choicers - SCOTUS is wrong. (1 Viewer)

Germany declared war on the USA first... ;)
Germany didn't declare war on the US till after Pearl Harbor, as it had to do so because an Axis power attacked us.
 
orry it took so long to find this again. This isn't my area of Japanese studies, but -

You misunderstand the situations of Nomura, Kurusu, and Grew. Nomura and Grew were both ambassadors - Kurusu was sent later as a special envoy, though I don't recall his title.


Nomura had been sent as ambassador half a year before Pearl Harbor with a pacifistic goal - persuade the US against war with the Japanese - and Kurusu was sent much later with the same goal. Neither knew anything about the secret Pearl Harbor attack plan, and the notice immediately preceding it came as a surprise and too late for timely translation and notification of the State Department and POTUS. Nomura had been committed to the goal and made good friends with upper echelon US government officials who didn't want war with the Japanese, either, so this would have been particularly humiliating.

Not long after Pearl Harbor, there was an apparent possibility for Nomura and Kurusu to leave earlier. However, that passed and they stayed until the POW exchange for their US counterparts. Nomura wasn't special in believing Japan could not win a war with the US. Admiral Yamamoto, in suggesting a Pearl Harbor attack early in 1941, thought it would allow Japan to hold out only for six months. Lots of Japanese had this view. In this context, Nomura in the aftermath of PH could have seen staying until the POW exchange occurred as not all that coercive, and for a reason.

This is totally off topic and not really relevant to the topic, but the reality is they knew that Japan was going to war with the west. They didn't have a choice, as the US had cut off their supplies for Oil and other resources, they had to take the unattended colonies of Southeast Asia.
 
Germany didn't declare war on the US till after Pearl Harbor, as it had to do so because an Axis power attacked us.

Actually, the treaty Germany had with Japan didn't require Germany to come to Japan's aid if Japan started a war. (Just as Japan was not obligated to go to war with the USSR just because Hitler did.)

But HItler did it anyway because 1) HE figured the US would enter the war in Europe regardless, and 2) He was a crazy person.
 
Sure it does. It just isn't what you want to hear because it doesn't validate your worldview.



East side and south side of Chicago. That's a slum to me. A place you wouldn't go at night and would probably think twice about going to during the day.



Wow, you are late to the conversation. IN 1970, when abortion was still illegal, the out of wedlock birth rate was only 10%.

Today it's close to 40%.

It's 72% for African Americans.




Or the pro-abortion types are in denial about the humanity of fetuses.



Actually, a embryo has the potential to be something. A homeless person has failed. The reason why we have a homeless problem is because some liberal do-gooders decided that institutions were bad, so let's let them all out on the street.
An embryo is only potential. A homeless person as failed? Financially, maybe, but this doesn't mean failed as a person. "The Son of Man knows not where he may lay his head." That's homeless. In Buddhism, monks and nuns used to go through a homeless period as part of being an acolyte. Is that failure as a person?
I remember when this happened in the 1970s, and we went from being able to walk to the store to get stuff to having to deal with collected stewbums gathering around the liquor shop waiting to score their bottle of MD 20/20.



No, personal responsibility is not having sex with a man who won't provide for you.
 
An embryo is only potential. A homeless person as failed? Financially, maybe, but this doesn't mean failed as a person. "The Son of Man knows not where he may lay his head." That's homeless. In Buddhism, monks and nuns used to go through a homeless period as part of being an acolyte. Is that failure as a person?

Yeah, kind of. Most of them have substance abuse problems or mental illnesses.

It didn't used to be a problem. The Drunks could go to Skid Row, and the mentally ill were locked up in institutions.

Then the "Do Gooders" came along, created a problem, and threw up their hands when things turned out far worse.
 
Actually, the treaty Germany had with Japan didn't require Germany to come to Japan's aid if Japan started a war. (Just as Japan was not obligated to go to war with the USSR just because Hitler did.)

But HItler did it anyway because 1) HE figured the US would enter the war in Europe regardless, and 2) He was a crazy person.
It may not have been required by treaty, but it did have to do so, as it was clear that the US would enter the war, as lots of people in the US government had been itching to declare war on Hitler and help the European allies.
 
Yeah, kind of. Most of them have substance abuse problems or mental illnesses.

It didn't used to be a problem. The Drunks could go to Skid Row, and the mentally ill were locked up in institutions.

Then the "Do Gooders" came along, created a problem, and threw up their hands when things turned out far worse.
Many of the mentally ill were effectively released from institutions under Reagan's policy. That wasn't about doo-gooders. It was a difficulty that developed because too many people who weren't especially mentally ill got locked up, and anyway, lots of people wanted some of the institutions to refurbish as prisons because there weren't enough prisons.
 
You also have no idea if the person who was going to cure cancer was aborted.

See, that works both ways.

The problem is, poverty has gotten worse since Roe v. Wade, not better. It contributed to the dissolution of the basic nuclear family.
Roe v Wade did not exacerbate poverty, or the basic nuclear family. Those were entirely separate issues.
 
Sure it does. It just isn't what you want to hear because it doesn't validate your worldview.

Has nothing to do with my world view...my view is that you cant support yours...you cant even articulate an argument for it :ROFLMAO:

The "current situation" at the federal level is solid...there are no rights recognized for the unborn and they are not legally considered persons. We can pass legislation that unicorns exist too...feel free to wait.​
Since you cant even explain why abortion is wrong...there's no reason for Congress to address it and introduce changes to the Constitution. Why would Congress want to create fetal personhood?
 
Yeah, kind of. Most of them have substance abuse problems or mental illnesses.

It didn't used to be a problem. The Drunks could go to Skid Row, and the mentally ill were locked up in institutions.

Then the "Do Gooders" came along, created a problem, and threw up their hands when things turned out far worse.

So then we could hide them and they werent a problem for you.

If I had any doubts, since I didnt know, now I do know you're not a Christian.

That's ok. Atheists have plenty of strong moral views, and consideration for society and their fellow man. You can still become more enlightened...it's a choice just like letting God into your heart.
 
Um, did you check out who is running the Federal Government right now?



I guess. I think it would be nice if we could go back to a system where one parent (not necessarily the wife) stays home and takes care of the kids. Everyone loved staying home during Covid.



Again- we lost more jobs to automation than outsourcing. Since you brought up paper, I worked in the corrugated box industry for 8 years. Nearly every factory I saw was in the US, and they were all nearly completely automated. Just one guy walking from machine to machine to check computer settings.



Or common sense. If a guy has no job, smokes pot, and plays video games all day, these are not the kinds of genes you want to be reproducing.



Okay, let's talk about that. Last Condo association I lived in, we had Section 8 Families who got their rent completely paid by the government while I was going out to work every day. These people got SNAP, TANF, sometimes disability payments.

When I went to the Social Security office to get my wife's name updated, the room was full of people who were neither elderly nor disabled.

We spend close to 3 Trillion dollars a year on the Safety Net.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I can certainly feel the frustration of people who did.
First, except in the case of rural farm families and the earlier case of a much smaller population, where many people had houses, many wives also had to work because the husband didn't make enough money for the family to survive.

Second, almost no one gets their rent completely paid by the government. Section 8 says you pay one-third of your income and the government covers the rest. If you get any income, even from child support and a really part-time job, you pay at least the one-third.

Third, you can't tell whether a person is disabled merely by looking at him or her. In 2000, the NY Times did a study to find out why so many people in the welfare to work program were recidivists. One thing stood out to me: fully one-fifth of the women who were recidivists had been sexually abused as kids or raped as adults. I have news for you - that is because their experience had disabled them. Again, there are people who have cancer or heart disease. You don't know how sick they are.

I have a friend who, admittedly, now uses a walker, but you'd never suspect her original disability. She has over 35 scars on her brain because of the damage her physically abusive mother did to her when she was a small child, and the problem is that she can have brain seizures because of it. That's why she was let go as a nurse's aide, a food service worker, and other employment. She loved working, but employers wouldn't keep her because of the seizures. For a while, she worked by doing hand knit sweaters and scarves, but it was a self-employed thing, and not everyone is good at self-employment.

If you want to spend less on the safety net, make lower rents. Make rooming houses, so people who can't afford apartments can get something smaller. And please don't ignore the fact that baby boomers are in retirement and live on fixed incomes as elderly renters. There are dozens of reasons our economy has not adapted to the needs, but greed for profit is a big one.
 
This is totally off topic and not really relevant to the topic, but the reality is they knew that Japan was going to war with the west. They didn't have a choice, as the US had cut off their supplies for Oil and other resources, they had to take the unattended colonies of Southeast Asia.
Actually, they did have a choice, as the reason for the great demand for oil in Japan was the greed of the ultramilitarists. They insisted on taking Manchuria and then China, and they needed that oil as a military necessity for imperial behavior. They also thought there was nothing wrong with being an imperialist power, as the Europeans and even the US were such powers.

But there was still a chance that Japan wouldn't go to war with the west, and diplomats were in favor of that view.
FYI, the Southeast Asian colonies were not unattended. However, when the Japanese parachuted down at Palembang, Sumatra, the Dutch soldiers actually ran away, and after spending decades telling the Indonesians they wouldn't be able to protect themselves, but the gigantic Dutch could do so.
 
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First, except in the case of rural farm families and the earlier case of a much smaller population, where many people had houses, many wives also had to work because the husband didn't make enough money for the family to survive.

Second, almost no one gets their rent completely paid by the government. Section 8 says you pay one-third of your income and the government covers the rest. If you get any income, even from child support and a really part-time job, you pay at least the one-third.

Third, you can't tell whether a person is disabled merely by looking at him or her. In 2000, the NY Times did a study to find out why so many people in the welfare to work program were recidivists. One thing stood out to me: fully one-fifth of the women who were recidivists had been sexually abused as kids or raped as adults. I have news for you - that is because their experience had disabled them. Again, there are people who have cancer or heart disease. You don't know how sick they are.

I have a friend who, admittedly, now uses a walker, but you'd never suspect her original disability. She has over 35 scars on her brain because of the damage her physically abusive mother did to her when she was a small child, and the problem is that she can have brain seizures because of it. That's why she was let go as a nurse's aide, a food service worker, and other employment. She loved working, but employers wouldn't keep her because of the seizures. For a while, she worked by doing hand knit sweaters and scarves, but it was a self-employed thing, and not everyone is good at self-employment.

If you want to spend less on the safety net, make lower rents. Make rooming houses, so people who can't afford apartments can get something smaller. And please don't ignore the fact that baby boomers are in retirement and live on fixed incomes as elderly renters. There are dozens of reasons our economy has not adapted to the needs, but greed for profit is a big one.

He cant even explain why Congress would want to create personhood for the unborn. He insists it's coming...but doesnt know why? :unsure:
 
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Sure it does. It just isn't what you want to hear because it doesn't validate your worldview.



East side and south side of Chicago. That's a slum to me. A place you wouldn't go at night and would probably think twice about going to during the day.



Wow, you are late to the conversation. IN 1970, when abortion was still illegal, the out of wedlock birth rate was only 10%.

Today it's close to 40%.

It's 72% for African Americans.




Or the pro-abortion types are in denial about the humanity of fetuses.



Actually, a embryo has the potential to be something. A homeless person has failed. The reason why we have a homeless problem is because some liberal do-gooders decided that institutions were bad, so let's let them all out on the street.

I remember when this happened in the 1970s, and we went from being able to walk to the store to get stuff to having to deal with collected stewbums gathering around the liquor shop waiting to score their bottle of MD 20/20.



No, personal responsibility is not having sex with a man who won't provide for you.
If I am in denial about the humanity of a fetus, please explain how a half ounce fetus that does not have neural connections is a human being. It is a potential. Human being the same way and acorn is a potential tree
I can just see it now a woman having sex with the man and asking him if he would provide for a child. I get the feeling that you think men don’t have any responsibility.
 
Yeah, kind of. Most of them have substance abuse problems or mental illnesses.

It didn't used to be a problem. The Drunks could go to Skid Row, and the mentally ill were locked up in institutions.

Then the "Do Gooders" came along, created a problem, and threw up their hands when things turned out far worse.

Wasn’t it, Reagan, who threw up his hands and turned the mentally ill onto the streets?. At that time, I lived next to the UN and it broke my heart seeing all those mentally ill people sleeping in huge cartons
 
Germany didn't declare war on the US till after Pearl Harbor, as it had to do so because an Axis power attacked us.

No. Germany had no agreement with Japan to declare war on the USA unless Japan was attacked by another nation. Japan had attacked the USA, not the other way around. Germany had no obligation to declare war on the USA... but did so anyway. Hitler was reminded of this but dismissed his advisors

Germany declared war on the USA and not the other way around, as you stated.

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It may not have been required by treaty, but it did have to do so, as it was clear that the US would enter the war, as lots of people in the US government had been itching to declare war on Hitler and help the European allies.

It was still a dumb move. If Hitler had been smart, he'd have said, "Not my problem", and let the Americans make the first move. FDR would have had a much harder time selling a war in Europe if people were itching for revenge on Japan.

This is a problem with applying current viewpoints to people in the past. Of course, today we all know the Nazis were evil. Hollywood has been telling us that for 80 years. Meanwhile, while people were more furious as Japan at the time, today we barely think about the Pacific War when remembering WWII fondly. We call WWII the "Good War" because it had little moral ambiguity. What gets lost in the shuffle is that the Japanese were as bad as the Nazis in many respects.

So, while we all have heard of Josef Mengele, very few have heard of Shiro Ishii, the commander of Unit 731 who performed horrible experiments on Chinese POWs and civilians.

Now, why is this relevant today? Because if we all downplay what Japan did in China, we can't understand why China acts the way it does in foreign policy. Meanwhile, what Hitler did in Europe is still used as an excuse for Israel to act the way it does.
 
Wasn’t it, Reagan, who threw up his hands and turned the mentally ill onto the streets?. At that time, I lived next to the UN and it broke my heart seeing all those mentally ill people sleeping in huge cartons

Nope. The problem started under Carter.

The problem really started with the 1975 ruling of O'Connor v. Donaldson. (Ah, another case of the Burger Court making an idiotic decision without considering the implications. Color me shocked.) It ruled that if a mentally ill person wasn't an immediate danger to himself or others, he couldn't be held in an institution.

That's when the mental hospitals started tossing out their non-dangerous people.

Now, Jimmy Carter passed the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980, which gave block grants to states to provide outpatient services for these folks. That was about as effective as fairy wings on a cement truck. What Reagan did was get the Federal government out of it and left the issue to the states.

But the real problem was even in liberal states like NY or IL, resources just weren't there and you can't make a mentally ill person come in for his meds if he doesn't want to. Especially if he can self-medicate with Mad Dog 20/20.
 
If I am in denial about the humanity of a fetus, please explain how a half ounce fetus that does not have neural connections is a human being. It is a potential. Human being the same way and acorn is a potential tree
I can just see it now a woman having sex with the man and asking him if he would provide for a child. I get the feeling that you think men don’t have any responsibility.

Naw, you told him he didn't have any responsibility when she could get an abortion.

You see, it used to be, if you knocked a woman up, you were expected to marry her. Quickly so that she didn't have an embarrassing baby bump under her dress.

Once you told her she could get an abortion, you told him that he could evade his responsibilities, and a lot of men did.

Personal Responsibility. It was nice when we had it.

Now, I have to say this one more time.... I oppose making abortion illegal because I feel such a law would be impossible to enforce.

It doesn't mean I have to like it.

It doesn't mean I have to see an elective abortion for birth control as the holy sacrament of modern feminism.
 
Naw, you told him he didn't have any responsibility when she could get an abortion.

You see, it used to be, if you knocked a woman up, you were expected to marry her. Quickly so that she didn't have an embarrassing baby bump under her dress.

Once you told her she could get an abortion, you told him that he could evade his responsibilities, and a lot of men did.

Personal Responsibility. It was nice when we had it.

Now, I have to say this one more time.... I oppose making abortion illegal because I feel such a law would be impossible to enforce.

It doesn't mean I have to like it.

It doesn't mean I have to see an elective abortion for birth control as the holy sacrament of modern feminism.

Only a man would say an elective abortion is birth control for women. We get abortions because we know we cannot be responsible mothers.. abortions are not fun, especially compared to a man using a condom
So you consider a woman who got pregnant as someone who should marry the impregnator. It’s funny what you remember ..I remember marrying someone because you loved them and wanted to spend your life with them.
Nothing like raising a child in a loveless family. You are also forgetting that in those good old days men who impregnated a woman hardly paid child support.. now with the Internet it’s easier to locate them
 
Nope. The problem started under Carter.

The problem really started with the 1975 ruling of O'Connor v. Donaldson. (Ah, another case of the Burger Court making an idiotic decision without considering the implications. Color me shocked.) It ruled that if a mentally ill person wasn't an immediate danger to himself or others, he couldn't be held in an institution.

That's when the mental hospitals started tossing out their non-dangerous people.

Now, Jimmy Carter passed the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980, which gave block grants to states to provide outpatient services for these folks. That was about as effective as fairy wings on a cement truck. What Reagan did was get the Federal government out of it and left the issue to the states.

But the real problem was even in liberal states like NY or IL, resources just weren't there and you can't make a mentally ill person come in for his meds if he doesn't want to. Especially if he can self-medicate with Mad Dog 20/20.
I remember Reagan, shutting down the mental hospitals and throwing the people on the streets
 
It may not have been required by treaty, but it did have to do so, as it was clear that the US would enter the war, as lots of people in the US government had been itching to declare war on Hitler and help the European allies.

Back then nations declared war. Germany did not have to declare war and the USA would not have entered the European war without direct provocation.
 
Only a man would say an elective abortion is birth control for women. We get abortions because we know we cannot be responsible mothers.. abortions are not fun, especially compared to a man using a condom
So you consider a woman who got pregnant as someone who should marry the impregnator. It’s funny what you remember ..I remember marrying someone because you loved them and wanted to spend your life with them.
Nothing like raising a child in a loveless family. You are also forgetting that in those good old days men who impregnated a woman hardly paid child support.. now with the Internet it’s easier to locate them

@JoeB131 is a Right Winger just trolling you guys....
 

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