Sometimes, guns are fun.

[Daddyo]

* proponent!

You know we could have played with you on that one right? Many of the leftists are spelling nazis and this would have been some funny gey back.

 

[Daddyo]

I rather go to a museum, not much culture to be gained shooting empty beer cans. Not exactly a fun afternoon, but whatever.

Different strokes! When growing up my parents would take us to Disney. All the rides and exhibits yet the most fun I had every trip (until they removed them) was trying to shoot the star out of the paper target with the BB machingun. I'm smiling as I type just thinking about it.

 

[vegas giants]

Upset? We didn't lose America lost! Why would that upset conservatives who love this country?

Liberals get upset when they lose elections because it means their quest for the fundamental transformation of this country into a socialist shit hole has been paused. We conservatives just get sad. You know it's sad to see the border crisis, inflation, the oil situation, the world falling into chaos and war because of precieved American weakness, covid losses despite all the advances available, and a president that makes the orange man look like a combination of genius and clairvoyant. We have a buffon (and this is being charitable) for a president, a moron (also being very charitable) for vice president, and a geriatric partisan airhead as speaker of the house........thats the top 3 most powerful people in our coutry. Awesome democrat representation. Yeah we are sad. Sad and embarrassed.

Awwww. You're sad. Too bad. You lost


Get over it

 

[humbolt]

No, in the real world it ***IS*** true
How about if Congress passes a law and the SC rule it as "unconstitutional" a year, 5 years or even 10 years later ?
During that period, is the law not "constitutional" ?

There are laws on the statute books that many people regard as "unconstitutional" - does that mean they are or are not ?
If you deem a law as "unconstitutional" and the SC rules that it is, in fact, "constitutional" - does that then alter your opinion of the law ?
In short, at what point does a law become "constitutional" ?



So what ?



And as I alluded to above, sometimes it's years.

The governor of Kentucky and the Kentucky ACLU just yesterday disagreed with you. Take it up with them. Whatever clear line of demarcation existed between politics and constitutionality was clouded long ago.

 

[vegas giants]

Again, within your convoluted semantic argument, why do you presume a law is constitutional until reviewed? Why not presume it is unconstitutional?

Because if you presume it is unconstitutional it cant be enforced. If it is being enforced or is presumed constitutional


That is a fact....not opinion

 

[Rich2018]

The governor of Kentucky and the Kentucky ACLU just yesterday disagreed with you. Take it up with them. Whatever clear line of demarcation existed between politics and constitutionality was clouded long ago.

Did they say that a law can be unconstitutional, even if the SC ruled that it was ?

Then sorry, I don't need to as I already said:

"If you deem a law as "unconstitutional" and the SC rules that it is, in fact, "constitutional" - does that then alter your opinion of the law ?
In short, at what point does a law become "constitutional" ?"


Questions that your reply notably dodged.

 

[Manc Skipper]

In socialism fun is shunned & I imagine that the notorious AOC wouldn't hesitate to cut her hair shorter, gear up in fatigues, and sport an AK-47 like a Che Guevara guerilla to fight for the Marxist cause.

You wouldn't recognise actual socialism if it bit your arse. It would be fun though!

 

[Rich2018]

You wouldn't recognise actual socialism if it bit your arse. It would be fun though!

A point that I've pointed out to many of here

They have no idea what socialism is.

 

[humbolt]

Did they say that a law can be unconstitutional, even if the SC ruled that it was ?

Then sorry, I don't need to as I already said:

"If you deem a law as "unconstitutional" and the SC rules that it is, in fact, "constitutional" - does that then alter your opinion of the law ?
In short, at what point does a law become "constitutional" ?"


Questions that your reply notably dodged.

I'm not dodging a thing. That constitutionality and politics frequently collide has escaped your notice, but only when it's convenient for you, I'm sure.

 

[Rich2018]

I'm not dodging a thing.

Yes you are/have - specifically the questions that I asked and you refused to answer.

That constitutionality and politics frequently collide has escaped your notice, but only when it's convenient for you, I'm sure.

Constitutionality is a ploy that parties use to get rid of undesirable laws/rules

NB: Because a law/rule is deemed "unconstitutional" doesn't mean it is, merely that SC justices say it is so, and often in a split ruling.

 

[humbolt]

Yes you are/have - specifically the questions that I asked and you refused to answer.



Constitutionality is a ploy that parties use to get rid of undesirable laws/rules

NB: Because a law/rule is deemed "unconstitutional" doesn't mean it is, merely that SC justices say it is so, and often in a split ruling.

Well, you've stepped in a mess of your own creation there.

There have been federal laws passed all while knowing that the law won't stand. The ACA is a recent example. Roberts had to do a re-write for it to pass scrutiny, and the Obama administration knew they had a problem when the legislation was crafted. Obama signed it anyway.

And then there's nullification, which apparently cuts in all directions

 

[RF667799]

Yes you are/have - specifically the questions that I asked and you refused to answer.



Constitutionality is a ploy that parties use to get rid of undesirable laws/rules

NB: Because a law/rule is deemed "unconstitutional" doesn't mean it is, merely that SC justices say it is so, and often in a split ruling.

All laws are constitutional until the SC says they aren't.

And even then...

Rich vs Rich

 

[Rich2018]

Well, you've stepped in a mess of your own creation there.

There have been federal laws passed all while knowing that the law won't stand. The ACA is a recent example. Roberts had to do a re-write for it to pass scrutiny, and the Obama administration knew they had a problem when the legislation was crafted. Obama signed it anyway.

And then there's nullification, which apparently cuts in all directions

Nope, there's no benefit in Congress passing a law (or the president signing it into law), they know will be struck down.

 

[RF667799]

Nope, there's no benefit in Congress passing a law (or the president signing it into law), they know will be struck down.

What if they think like you (at times)and figure it's constitutional until declared otherwise? They could get years of utility out of a law.

 

[humbolt]

Nope, there's no benefit in Congress passing a law (or the president signing it into law), they know will be struck down.

I just named one. It's not the only one. I just picked one you're likely to remember in your dotage.

 

[Rich2018]

I just named one. It's not the only one. I just picked one you're likely to remember in your dotage.

Nope.

Howe was that a "benefit" ?

 

[Fledermaus]

Nope.

Howe was that a "benefit" ?

Howe was a general.

 

[humbolt]

Nope.

Howe was that a "benefit" ?

That entirely depends on one's view, and what is expected to be accomplished. There have been instances in which the case was lost at the SC, but the war was won in advance of the anticipated ruling.

 

[Rich2018]

That entirely depends on one's view, and what is expected to be accomplished. There have been instances in which the case was lost at the SC, but the war was won in advance of the anticipated ruling.

So I ask again, how is that a benefit ?

 

[RF667799]

So I ask again, how is that a benefit ?

You were just told, but you insist on sealioning.

 

[zsu2357]

Guns are fun, sure. I plinked away hundreds of rounds of .22 long years ago and up to not long ago I hunted every season. Guns stop being fun when people say they need one out on the street for self-protection or to resist tyranny.

Sorta just refreshing what the thread was. Correct plinking is fun as hunting is relaxing but they are fringe benefits of what the Second Amendment is about. IF that's the route you're going.

 

[zsu2357]

I actually agree. I dread the day I have to start keeping my .38 in the glovebox. That day seems to be getting closer.

Best place is a comfy tanker holster on yourself. Glove box bad IF you keep auto registration there.

 

[NolanVoyd]

In socialism fun is shunned & I imagine that the notorious AOC wouldn't hesitate to cut her hair shorter, gear up in fatigues, and sport an AK-47 like a Che Guevara guerilla to fight for the Marxist cause.

What a silly thing to say.

 

[zsu2357]

No.

To all of that.

What you don't think AOC could make like Michelle Rodriguez?

 

[zsu2357]

Different strokes! When growing up my parents would take us to Disney. All the rides and exhibits yet the most fun I had every trip (until they removed them) was trying to shoot the star out of the paper target with the BB machingun. I'm smiling as I type just thinking about it.

I remember those. State fair though not Disney.