:roll: Okay, so I read the entire article, then with my hopes really high, I went to the web site. I'll be honest I didn't read everything in the "Miracles of the Quran" website. I clicked on the Scientific Miracles of the Quran prompt, then clicked on the first option The Coming of the Universe into Existence.Aleem said:
The Web site mentioned this paragraph :WiseRufus said::roll: Okay, so I read the entire article, then with my hopes really high, I went to the web site. I'll be honest I didn't read everything in the "Miracles of the Quran" website. I clicked on the Scientific Miracles of the Quran prompt, then clicked on the first option The Coming of the Universe into Existence.
Hmmm...So the only "evidence" that The Coming of the Universe into Existence is at all directly related to the Quran, and is a Miracle of the Quran, was summed up with this one verse: He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. (Qur'an, 6:101).
You know...that really doesn't (How should I say this?)...ah yes, It doesn't do it for me. How can this website say that The Coming of the Universe into Existence is a Miracle of the Quran by simply quoting this line: He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. (Qur'an, 6:101)?
I agree with all of this. Every word.Aleem said:The Web site mentioned this paragraph :
".1. modern physics has proven that the universe did indeed have a beginning, that .2. it came into being from nothing in a single moment in a huge explosion. Furthermore, it has been established that the universe is not fixed and static, as materialists still stubbornly maintain. On the contrary,.3. it is undergoing a constant process of movement, change and expansion."
Okay, so the universe is finite and had a beginning. Just because the verse mentions "originator" doesn't prove that the Quran is the irrefutable word of God. It just means the Quran had the idea of a creator. The link and the website you provided implied that the Quran was providing irrefutable revelations that do not exist elsewhere. This was not a new idea, when the Quran came along. The idea of a "universe starter" had been around forever (or however long the universe had been around).Aleem said:The verse he mentioned proves only the first point of the paragraph which refutes the claims saying that the universe is infinite and without a begining, The verse mentioned the word "the originator" which means "the starter" which means that the universe has a begining and there was a time when the universe was not present and The God brought it into existence .
Why? What point are you trying to make? That the Quran is perfect? That the Quran has ideas in it that havent been seen before? That the Quran has proven miracles?Aleem said:Please, Read as much as you can in that Web site .
If Quran has never been altered, And It had mentioned facts - discovered recently - 1400 years ago when people were still fighting by swords. Does not this mean anything ?WiseRufus said:What message are you trying to convey?
When people have so little faith in their religion that they have to push sites like this, they're really scraping the barrel. Aleem babe, you're displaying your insecurities about Islam here. Can't say I blame you, but I thlought you had stronger beliefs than that.Aleem said: