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Is that where baby Jesus is replaced by Trump?
Is that where baby Jesus is replaced by Trump?We should waste no time and begin banning MAGA nativity scenes.
That doesn’t really answer the question. I wasn’t asking whether all Christians vote Republican. I was asking about the makeup of Trump’s base specifically.
Asking: “Is the NBA predominantly tall players?”
Answer: “Well, many tall people don’t play in the NBA, some are accountants.”
... yes, along with Mary Taylor Greene and Joseph Vance. For diversity's sake, there's a donkey in the stable that bears a striking resemblance to Elizabeth Warren.Is that where baby Jesus is replaced by Trump?
IF?IF the majority of Trump voters are Christian affiliated it doesn't mean that the reason is BECAUSE they're Christian - per the graph above on how Christians vote overall
I like this statement...how true...revival begins with the people proclaiming, by word and deed, “I have sinned.”
Radical extremist anything is dangerous to liberty...Radical extremist Christians are dangerous to liberty.
I don't know if they are or are not - its not my claim to proveIF?
You can't admit that a majority of Trump's base identify as Christian?
And this is where I bow out. It's not surrender. I'm concluding that if you can't or won't answer a simple question about Trump's base that more interaction will be a colossal waste of time. I'll let you have the last word.
I'm surprised you didn't go with AOC for the donkey.... yes, along with Mary Taylor Greene and Joseph Vance. For diversity's sake, there's a donkey in the stable that bears a striking resemblance to Elizabeth Warren.
I like your thinking. She's got the teeth for it, but perhaps she's better styled as the pampered house pet, unaccustomed to the demands of real work.I'm surprised you didn't go with AOC for the donkey.
As French notes, revolution "seeks to overthrow one political order and replace it with another — one that has echoes of the religious kingdoms of ages past.""In a revival, however, exposing sin is necessary. Transparency and honesty trigger repentance. Repentance facilitates justice, and it leads to forgiveness. In the revivals I’ve experienced, politics was the last thing on our minds. Instead, our focus was on becoming more like Christ — and that meant turning from my own sin, not focusing on the faults of others."
What is most interesting is the effort to dismiss the discussion actually quite clearly proves the premise of the OP."A revolution can look like a revival, at least for a time. A revolution can fill stadiums. A revolution can even attract converts — converts to the revolutionary cause, if not the Christian faith. A revolution can make you feel alive with purpose, and when the revolution has religious elements, it can flood you with the burning conviction that you are doing God’s will.
Look closer, however, and you can see that religious revolution is usually antithetical to religious revival. Yes, there are people who enter the church because of politics and then find their way to genuine Christianity, but the revolution is a roadblock to genuine Christian growth.
Revolutionaries will conceal sin. They can’t permit any cracks in their righteous façade. Any weakness undermines their claim to the national throne. The other side is wicked. We are not.
The revolutionary’s ferocious ideological purity can masquerade as religious devotion. But unless it’s tempered by mercy, the revolutionary spirit is a fundamentalist spirit — and heaven help the person who stands in the way."
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"In a revival, however, exposing sin is necessary. Transparency and honesty trigger repentance. Repentance facilitates justice, and it leads to forgiveness. In the revivals I’ve experienced, politics was the last thing on our minds. Instead, our focus was on becoming more like Christ — and that meant turning from my own sin, not focusing on the faults of others.
For all the talk of religious revival in American evangelicalism, there is an odd disconnect. Evangelicals might be growing in political power, but there is not much evidence that they are growing in devotion."
There's your mistake...Let's walk through this logically, shall we?
It would be hard to deny that some of the insurrectionists were avowed "Christians". That is all the statement made, backed up by a citation:Do you "think" Trump's base is predominately Christian?
You should all be nervous because the Christian Nazis are trying to take over America! We need to start arresting Christians immediately and probably feed them to some lions too!Something Is Stirring in Christian America, and It’s Making Me Nervous (David French, NYT)
This is a gifted article. I commend this thoughtful opinion for your consideration.
Opinion | Something Is Stirring in Christian America, and It’s Making Me Nervous
Don’t mistake a revolution for a revival.www.nytimes.com
"Despite what you may have heard about the renewal of interest in religion in America, we are not experiencing a true revival, at least not yet. Instead, America is closer to a religious revolution, and the difference between revolution and revival is immensely important for the health of our country — and of the Christian church in America.
At this point it’s almost beyond debate that something important is stirring in American religion. There is too much data — and too many anecdotes — to ignore. The steady decline of Christianity in America seems to have slowed, perhaps even paused. There’s evidence that Gen Z men in particular are returning to church and younger generations of Americans are now attending church slightly more regularly than older generations."
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"There is darkness right alongside the light. Christians stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Christians have believed and applauded dark prophecies that compare Donald Trump to Jehu, a murderous Old Testament king who commanded the slaughter of the previous queen, Jezebel, and had the severed heads of the previous king’s sons brought to him in baskets.
Incredibly, Christians are attacking what they call the “sin of empathy,” warning fellow believers against identifying too much with, say, illegal immigrants, gay people or women who seek abortions. Empathy, in this formulation, can block moral and theological clarity. What’s wrong is wrong, and too much empathy will cloud your soul."
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"Time after time in scripture, revival and renewal begins with repentance. In the Book of Acts, when Peter spoke to a crowd in Jerusalem about the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, listeners were “cut to the heart” and cried out to Peter and the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
In the Old Testament, when a king of ancient Judah, Josiah, heard the book of the law for the first time, “he tore his robes” in grief. When Jonah called on the people of ancient Nineveh to repent, scripture records that the people of the city declared a fast and put on sackcloth, a sign of mourning for their sin.
In other words, revival begins with the people proclaiming, by word and deed, “I have sinned.”
MAGA Christianity has a different message. It looks at American culture and declares, “You have sinned.”
And it doesn’t stop there. It also says, “We will defeat you.” In its most extreme forms, it also says, “We will rule over you.” That’s not revival; it’s revolution, a religious revolution that seeks to overthrow one political order and replace it with another — one that has echoes of the religious kingdoms of ages past.
And don’t be fooled when these revolutionaries call themselves “conservative.” All too many conservative Christians are actually quite proudly radical. They want to demolish the existing order, including America’s commitment to pluralism and individual liberty, and put their version of Christianity at the center of American political life.
A revolution can look like a revival, at least for a time. A revolution can fill stadiums. A revolution can even attract converts — converts to the revolutionary cause, if not the Christian faith. A revolution can make you feel alive with purpose, and when the revolution has religious elements, it can flood you with the burning conviction that you are doing God’s will.
Look closer, however, and you can see that religious revolution is usually antithetical to religious revival. Yes, there are people who enter the church because of politics and then find their way to genuine Christianity, but the revolution is a roadblock to genuine Christian growth."
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We should not forget that the Inquisition, the Crusades and the Salem Witch Trials were all born of religious zeal. Nor should we confuse genuine Christian spirit with political expediency.
They were beating cops with their crosses!!!"Christians stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021."
I stopped reading that non-sense at that point ....
I figured it would end that way but I thought I'd give it a try.There's your mistake...
Him asking me to prove that Trump supporters are predominately Christian is like asking me to prove that the ocean is salty.It would be hard to deny that some of the insurrectionists were avowed "Christians", as it is extremely well-documented. That is all the statement made.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-J6-DOC-CTRL0000062431/pdf/GPO-J6-DOC-CTRL0000062431.pdf
Jan. 6 insurrection was 'logical outcome' of extremism
Religious scholar Brad Onishi describes the history of white Christian nationalism — and what’s next.www.vpm.org
The Radical Evangelicals Who Helped Push Jan. 6 to Wage War on “Demonic Influence”
Mike Johnson has deep ties to these groups—whose adherents believe they’re in a literal battle between supernatural forces of good and evil.slate.com
Christian nationalism and January 6th
Power, fear, violence and where we go from hereandrewwhitehead.substack.com
White Christian Nationalism: The Deep Story Behind the Capitol Insurrection
Philip Gorski unpacks the history of white Christian nationalism in the United States following the January 6, 2021 Capitol riots, arguing former president Donald Trump represents the latest iteration of this form of exclusionary nationalism.berkleycenter.georgetown.edu
So, some have to deflect from that reality.
"Christians stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021."I stopped reading that non-sense at that point ....
You are wrong: Christians stormed the Capitol and they brought Christian flags, wore clothing with Christian quotes and brought Christian symbols to the insurrection.
"The insurrectionist mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday carried an array of flags and signs that indicate that not only are they Republicans, but also that they are Christians.
A wooden cross was carried past the Capitol building as well. Some of the identifiable flags were:
*The Christian flag, an ecumenical white flag with a blue field and a red Latin cross, was carried by one rioter on to the floor of the House of Representatives even as guns were drawn to keep them out;
*At least two flags featuring the icthys, the outline of a fish adopted by early Christians;
*An American flag altered to read “Make America Godly Again” on its white stripes;
*A white flag with a green pine tree and the words “An Appeal to Heaven;”
*And blowing prominently in the foreground as the mob kicked in a Capitol door was a red, white and blue flag that proclaimed, “Jesus is my savior” and “Trump is my President” on either sides of an elongated American flag.
In addition to these flags, there was also at least one yellow banner reading “Jesus saves” seen on the Capitol steps, and multiple articles of clothing touting Christianity including a “Jesus” baseball cap and a jacket with sleeves printed with the words “Cry to God.”
The history behind the Christian flags spotted at the pro-Trump U.S. Capitol 'coup'
As the mob swarmed the Capitol steps, climbed the inaugural scaffolding and even scaled the building like it was a gym climbing wall, the now commonplace red, white and blue “Trump 2020” and “Make America Great Again” flags flew alongside flags and banners with a range of Christian symbols, includinreligionunplugged.com
You don't need lions, you built Alligator Island.You should all be nervous because the Christian Nazis are trying to take over America! We need to start arresting Christians immediately and probably feed them to some lions too!
oh please, talk about an opinion piece ! I don't see anything much but American flags here do you ?
The Capitol invasion was 3 1/2 hours. It's mind boggling that someone would post a 3 minute video and imply that was all that happened on 1/6.That is a video of the rioters forced to exit the building in an orderly fashion after the police finally got control of the situation. Pretending that this video represents the insurrection is not honest.
That is a video of the rioters forced to exit the building in an orderly fashion after the police finally got control of the situation. Pretending that this video represents the insurrection is not honest.
Yeah, true, but lions have a little Biblical irony to them so it's more fun that way.You don't need lions, you built Alligator Island.
it would shot all the Christian symbols, flags, crosses etc I saw none of that
I keep looking ... I see American flags, not really anything Christian
use the google
it would shot all the Christian symbols, flags, crosses etc I saw none of that
I keep looking ... I see American flags, not really anything Christian
use the google
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