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Something Is Stirring in Christian America, and It’s Making Me Nervous

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Something Is Stirring in Christian America, and It’s Making Me Nervous (David French, NYT)​

This is a gifted article. I commend this thoughtful opinion for your consideration.


"Despite what you may have heard about the renewal of interest in religion in America, we are not experiencing a true revival, at least not yet. Instead, America is closer to a religious revolution, and the difference between revolution and revival is immensely important for the health of our country — and of the Christian church in America.

At this point it’s almost beyond debate that something important is stirring in American religion. There is too much data — and too many anecdotes — to ignore. The steady decline of Christianity in America seems to have slowed, perhaps even paused. There’s evidence that Gen Z men in particular are returning to church and younger generations of Americans are now attending church slightly more regularly than older generations."
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"There is darkness right alongside the light. Christians stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Christians have believed and applauded dark prophecies that compare Donald Trump to Jehu, a murderous Old Testament king who commanded the slaughter of the previous queen, Jezebel, and had the severed heads of the previous king’s sons brought to him in baskets.

Incredibly, Christians are attacking what they call the “sin of empathy,” warning fellow believers against identifying too much with, say, illegal immigrants, gay people or women who seek abortions. Empathy, in this formulation, can block moral and theological clarity. What’s wrong is wrong, and too much empathy will cloud your soul."
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"Time after time in scripture, revival and renewal begins with repentance. In the Book of Acts, when Peter spoke to a crowd in Jerusalem about the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, listeners were “cut to the heart” and cried out to Peter and the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

In the Old Testament, when a king of ancient Judah, Josiah, heard the book of the law for the first time, “he tore his robes” in grief. When Jonah called on the people of ancient Nineveh to repent, scripture records that the people of the city declared a fast and put on sackcloth, a sign of mourning for their sin.

In other words, revival begins with the people proclaiming, by word and deed, “I have sinned.”

MAGA Christianity has a different message. It looks at American culture and declares, “You have sinned.”

And it doesn’t stop there. It also says, “We will defeat you.” In its most extreme forms, it also says, “We will rule over you.” That’s not revival; it’s revolution, a religious revolution that seeks to overthrow one political order and replace it with another — one that has echoes of the religious kingdoms of ages past.

And don’t be fooled when these revolutionaries call themselves “conservative.” All too many conservative Christians are actually quite proudly radical. They want to demolish the existing order, including America’s commitment to pluralism and individual liberty, and put their version of Christianity at the center of American political life.

A revolution can look like a revival, at least for a time. A revolution can fill stadiums. A revolution can even attract converts — converts to the revolutionary cause, if not the Christian faith. A revolution can make you feel alive with purpose, and when the revolution has religious elements, it can flood you with the burning conviction that you are doing God’s will.

Look closer, however, and you can see that religious revolution is usually antithetical to religious revival. Yes, there are people who enter the church because of politics and then find their way to genuine Christianity, but the revolution is a roadblock to genuine Christian growth."
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We should not forget that the Inquisition, the Crusades and the Salem Witch Trials were all born of religious zeal. Nor should we confuse genuine Christian spirit with political expediency.
 
MAGA Christianity has a different message. It looks at American culture and declares, “You have sinned.”

I don't think even MAGA Christianity is a monolith. I would just say this, though: since the first colonizers came to this country, there have always been religious authoritarians. This is why the Founding Fathers were concerned enough to address it in the Bill of Rights.
 
Those "MAGA Christians" are truly frightening and a threat to us all. We should make them wear pink crosses in public.
 
"Christians stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021."

I stopped reading that non-sense at that point ....
 
The religious right has mostly been useful idiots the rest of the right uses, and pays lipservice to. It's still kind of like that, as it's the rich oligarchs that are in charge, and throws pebbles at the religious right from time to time.
 
The religious right has mostly been useful idiots the rest of the right uses, and pays lipservice to. It's still kind of like that, as it's the rich oligarchs that are in charge, and throws pebbles at the religious right from time to time.
The oligarchs need to use the culture wars to manipulate the Sunday Christians.

Those who think they’re good people because they attend a church on Sunday, but then spend the rest of the time acting antithesis to Christ’s actual teachings.

Been going on forever.
 
Why?
I think most of the people who went to the Capitol identify as Christian. It's Trump's base. What makes you think they weren't Christians?

you can think it all you want - I can "think" they were liberals and that FBI agents spiked the violence

I can't prove either - and that they were all Christian isn't provable either
 
The MAGA stations of the cross:

1. Trump is condemned in an NY state court
2. Trump takes up His cross (a.k.a., the burden of state)
3. Trump falls the first time (No, wait, that was Biden on a flight of stairs.)
4. Trump meets His mother load. (Another magnificent NYC real estate deal!)
5. Vance and MTG helps Trump carry the cross
6. Stormy Daniels wipes the face of Trump
7. Trump falls the second time (Ugh, sorry, Biden again, this time on a bike.)
8. Trump grabs the women of Jerusalem
9. Trump falls the third time (This time it really was Trump tripping on a box of classified documents)
10. Trump is stripped of His garments (Oh, that Stormy.)
11. Trump is nailed to the entirely novel cross between falsified business documents and campaign influence.
12. Trump dies on the debate stage (No, wait, sorry, Biden again.)
13. Trump is taken down from the cross (Or was it Twitter?)
14. Trump is laid in the tomb (Stormy, enough!)
 
I have never been an Evangelical, and I have a distinct aversion to certain Evangelical practices, but I know and appreciate the theology of it. I particularly appreciated the author's distinction between "revival" and "revolution". Evangelicalism itself is not necessarily a bad thing, but it's like nitroglycerin - it is inherently dangerous and needs to be handled extremely carefully.

My denomination growing up had a long history of revivalism. On its own, revival is not a bad thing, as described at length in the OP.. But, it can be misused. In Jesus Christ Superstar, there is a scene where Simon (Zealotes) urges Jesus to use his popularity to "add a touch of hate" to his message to "grow to a greater power". That is the danger that David French addresses in his piece, which turns revival into revolution. We see this in operation in MAGA world, as the supposed words of Christianity are turned to denigration and suppression, in service to a decidedly non-Christian cause.

 
Why?
I think most of the people who went to the Capitol identify as Christian. It's Trump's base. What makes you think they weren't Christians?
It's a convenient self-censoring deception. Rather than reading the piece, he prefers to reject the author. Any excuse will do. Can't let thoughts in that might contradict preconceived notions.
 
Posts in this thread will show how much truth hurts. Post 5 seems to indicate that one doesn't want to know the truth.
 
The Book of Revelations warns of a beast rising from the sea with seven heads and ten horns, speaking blasphemies, and waging war on the saints. I'm thinking that might be California gubernatorial candidate Katie Porter.
 
The Book of Revelations warns of a beast rising from the sea with seven heads and ten horns, speaking blasphemies, and waging war on the saints. I'm thinking that might be California gubernatorial candidate Katie Porter.

Beats using logic, I suppose.
 
The Book of Revelations warns of a beast rising from the sea with seven heads and ten horns, speaking blasphemies, and waging war on the saints. I'm thinking that might be California gubernatorial candidate Katie Porter.
Anything to deflect from the factual points raised in that article.
 
you can think it all you want - I can "think" they were liberals and that FBI agents spiked the violence

I can't prove either - and that they were all Christian isn't provable either
Let's walk through this logically, shall we?
Do you "think" Trump's base is predominately Christian?
 
Let's walk through this logically, shall we?
Do you "think" Trump's base is predominately Christian?

no I don't think that's how to categorize it really

statistics might lean towards that conclusion ... conservatives are Christian that's true, but look at black Christians, Jewish ... they vote mostly Democrat





 
"We should not forget that the Inquisition, the Crusades and the Salem Witch Trials were all born of religious zeal. Nor should we confuse genuine Christian spirit with political expediency."

Neither should we forget the Cultural Revolution, The Great Chinese Famine, and the Gulag system were born of left-wing, socialist zeal.

We can find scary images in the history of any power structure. That doesn't mean you should fear anyone associated with those power structures today, and we should be skeptical of anyone who tries to generate such fear as a form of political expediency.
 
That doesn’t really answer the question. I wasn’t asking whether all Christians vote Republican. I was asking about the makeup of Trump’s base specifically.

Asking: “Is the NBA predominantly tall players?”
Answer: “Well, many tall people don’t play in the NBA, some are accountants.”
 
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