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Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

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I was discussing healthcare on another thread and another poster suggested that healthcare would be better served if left to the states. This article kinda knocks the wind out of that sail in my opinion. What should we do with the poor/ unemployed when they can no longer pull themselves up by the ole bootstraps and stumble into an hospital emergency room?


<Elected and appointed officials in nearly a half-dozen states, including Washington, Texas and South Carolina, have publicly thrown out the idea. Wyoming and Nevada this year produced detailed studies of what would happen should they withdraw from the program. Wyoming found that Medicaid accounts for 63% of the state's nursing-home revenue. >


<However, many elderly people rely on Medicaid to pay for long-term care at nursing homes, and that makes pulling out a "deal killer," Mr. Porter said. No good alternative currently exists to cover such nursing-home costs. >



Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid - WSJ.com
 

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It would be a defacto death sentence for me.
 

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death panel if you do , death panel if you don't
 

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I was discussing healthcare on another thread and another poster suggested that healthcare would be better served if left to the states. This article kinda knocks the wind out of that sail in my opinion. What should we do with the poor/ unemployed when they can no longer pull themselves up by the ole bootstraps and stumble into an hospital emergency room?


<Elected and appointed officials in nearly a half-dozen states, including Washington, Texas and South Carolina, have publicly thrown out the idea. Wyoming and Nevada this year produced detailed studies of what would happen should they withdraw from the program. Wyoming found that Medicaid accounts for 63% of the state's nursing-home revenue. >


<However, many elderly people rely on Medicaid to pay for long-term care at nursing homes, and that makes pulling out a "deal killer," Mr. Porter said. No good alternative currently exists to cover such nursing-home costs. >



Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid - WSJ.com

If you are worried about it, do the good thing and start up a charity and get funding for these people.
 

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If they end Medicaid, while keeping Medicare, wouldn't that take care of the older folks, while permitting the states to cornhole the younger folks?

I honestly don't know, I've never understood that system.
 

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If you are worried about it, do the good thing and start up a charity and get funding for these people.

Eighty million uninsured and counting would take a bit more than ringing a bell outside a Wal-Mart. Do you have anything to add to the thread other than snark?
 

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we all saw this coming, bigtime

obama shoulda listened to the dem gubs, ritter, gregoire, schweitzer, bill richardson and tennessee's phil bredesen, their leader

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

Gov. Phil Bredesen blasts health reform's unbalanced treatment of states | Nashville Business Journal

Listen to Gov. Bredesen on Health Care Reform - ABC News

Democrat: Health Care Reform a 'Disappointment' - Fox News Video - FoxNews.com

obamacare expands the states' medicaid burden by some 12 million new enrollees with NO federal funding

it was the expemption from this "mother of unfunded mandates" (bredesen) which comprised the corrupt cornhusker kickback

unforseen results?

not from the likes of governor bredesen
 

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we all saw this coming, bigtime

obama shoulda listened to the dem gubs, ritter, gregoire, schweitzer, bill richardson and tennessee's phil bredesen, their leader

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

Gov. Phil Bredesen blasts health reform's unbalanced treatment of states | Nashville Business Journal

Listen to Gov. Bredesen on Health Care Reform - ABC News

Democrat: Health Care Reform a 'Disappointment' - Fox News Video - FoxNews.com

obamacare expands the states' medicaid burden by some 12 million new enrollees with NO federal funding

it was the expemption from this "mother of unfunded mandates" (bredesen) which comprised the corrupt cornhusker kickback

unforseen results?

not from the likes of governor bredesen


The last time I checked was when the plan was modified, after the Cornhusker Kickback was kicked out, that loosened up extra funding to the states for Medicaid. Do you have anything that says otherwise other than a slew of old links?
 

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Eighty million uninsured and counting would take a bit more than ringing a bell outside a Wal-Mart. Do you have anything to add to the thread other than snark?

Actually, if you look beyond the surface, I was making a commentary about the responsibility that we as citizens of the United States and children of God have to support our neighbors. It wasn't snarky. The government has no authority to redistribute funds. The only spending authorities it has are to day to day operations of the government, army, navy, arts and science, and courts.

Now, if you choose to relinquish your duties to your neighbors in favor of a government beuracracy, I liked to see the look on your neighbors face when you tell them they have to stand in three different lines in spererate parts of the city to get one visit to the doctor approved...just like our vets do...because you don't want to face the responsibility.
 

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Actually, if you look beyond the surface, I was making a commentary about the responsibility that we as citizens of the United States and children of God have to support our neighbors. It wasn't snarky. The government has no authority to redistribute funds. The only spending authorities it has are to day to day operations of the government, army, navy, arts and science, and courts.

Now, if you choose to relinquish your duties to your neighbors in favor of a government beuracracy, I liked to see the look on your neighbors face when you tell them they have to stand in three different lines in spererate parts of the city to get one visit to the doctor approved...just like our vets do...because you don't want to face the responsibility.

A pretty good stretch, calling “do the good thing and start up a charity and get funding for these people”
“making a commentary about the responsibility that we as citizens of the United States and children of God have to support our neighbors”. Whatever. :roll:

I’ll just address one of you straw men, the one about the vets having to go to different parts of the city to see a Doc. seeing as that is what I have. The only time I have had to do that (make multiple stops) was when I had to see a specialist (rotator cuff). As an aside, if you’re a Vet you might go here and check in, while you’re their check out the link on VA healthcare.

VA Health Benefits
 

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I was discussing healthcare on another thread and another poster suggested that healthcare would be better served if left to the states. This article kinda knocks the wind out of that sail in my opinion. What should we do with the poor/ unemployed when they can no longer pull themselves up by the ole bootstraps and stumble into an hospital emergency room?


<Elected and appointed officials in nearly a half-dozen states, including Washington, Texas and South Carolina, have publicly thrown out the idea. Wyoming and Nevada this year produced detailed studies of what would happen should they withdraw from the program. Wyoming found that Medicaid accounts for 63% of the state's nursing-home revenue. >

<However, many elderly people rely on Medicaid to pay for long-term care at nursing homes, and that makes pulling out a "deal killer," Mr. Porter said. No good alternative currently exists to cover such nursing-home costs. >

Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid - WSJ.com

What I see happening in the future:

Government-funding practices and hospitals.
The government covers all costs - pays all paychecks.

Everyone else who can afford to cover their own healthcare does so according to their own wants.
 

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A pretty good stretch, calling “do the good thing and start up a charity and get funding for these people”
“making a commentary about the responsibility that we as citizens of the United States and children of God have to support our neighbors”. Whatever. :roll:

I’ll just address one of you straw men, the one about the vets having to go to different parts of the city to see a Doc. seeing as that is what I have. The only time I have had to do that (make multiple stops) was when I had to see a specialist (rotator cuff). As an aside, if you’re a Vet you might go here and check in, while you’re their check out the link on VA healthcare.

VA Health Benefits

Actually, the Vet I'm referring to is my neighbor. He lives in Fort Worth, but has to drive to Dallas to get benefits. They moved an office for renevation so he has to go to one address to get checked in, then go back to the doctors office to be seen, then go back to the first office to get his check for driving over the Dallas. He's been doing this for 2 years trying to get his knee and back surgery completed...service related injury. Its sad to watch.

But, back on topic: The statement and the explination are not a stretch. Your post is indicitave of the apathy that plagues this country. Everyone says something oughta be, but no one ever does anything about it. If you want people that have a need for insurance and can't afford it to have insurance you have two options: buy it for them, either through a charity or on your own or start a charity and fund.
 

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QUOTE ksu_aviator

Your post is indicitave of the apathy that plagues this country.

Apathy!! Care to show me where is have shown “apathy” towards healthcare in any of my post at DP? :shock:

Everyone says something oughta be, but no one ever does anything about it.


I did something about it and I provided a link in the previous post showing you. Remember the Vets link, where I suggested any Vet. on DP that didn’t have healthcare to go to the VA.gov and see if they are qualified under the new(at that time) priority group 8?


If you want people that have a need for insurance and can't afford it to have insurance you have two options: buy it for them, either through a charity or on your own or start a charity and fund.

Another straw man falling down on your head. I am a proponent of Medicare for all that want it. If anyone wants insurance and can afford it that’s on them.
 

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What is all the hubbub did know one read the story.

The idea of abandoning Medicaid as a solution is so extreme that even proponents don't expect any state will follow through, but officials are floating the discussions because dire budgetary pressures have forced them to at least look at even the most drastic options.

The States that are broke are controlled by idiot Liberals and coward Conservatives,

California is committing suicide and has just elected one of the biggest fools ever in political history. And the foolish voters are going to be paying almost $6 a gal. for gas by the end of 2011, and the price of all goods and service are going up considerably, and if you live a State run by Liberals and coward Conservatives who won't stand up to their foolishness you too will get higher prices for everything and when all the Obama taxes connected with the PHONY Obama kill granny plan hit maybe some of you will wake up and help to get rid of the worthless fool.
 

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Apathy!! Care to show me where is have shown “apathy” towards healthcare in any of my post at DP? :shock:




I did something about it and I provided a link in the previous post showing you. Remember the Vets link, where I suggested any Vet. on DP that didn’t have healthcare to go to the VA.gov and see if they are qualified under the new(at that time) priority group 8?




Another straw man falling down on your head. I am a proponent of Medicare for all that want it. If anyone wants insurance and can afford it that’s on them.

Ah, but Medicare isn't doing something about it. It is demanding that someone else do something about it. I'm talking about personal responsibility and personal actions, not some demanding that some nameless, faceless pencil pusher in DC send checks to meaningless names on a list. Go out and actually help real people.
 

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pay attention to the last part of your post;which was the part that I was responding to.

you don't know what you're talking about

bredesen does

so do ritter, christine gregoire, bill richardson, brian schweitzer...

why, it's common knowledge

you can't dump 16 million miserable americans suddenly into medicaid, already the ghetto of health care, with no federal funding

no unforeseen consequences, here, at least not for those who follow the news

sorry
 

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QUOTE The Prof
you can't dump 16 million miserable americans suddenly into medicaid, already the ghetto of health care, with no federal funding

From the OP.:roll:

(Some states, in particular those led by Republicans, are calculating whether they'd be better off giving up the federal funding and replacing Medicaid with a narrower program of their own.)
 

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Ah, but Medicare isn't doing something about it.

They are doing a pretty good job considering that they don’t cherry pick; Medicare beneficiaries need, more health care services than those who are privately insured, and they still have an administrative of 2 percent of expenditures, compared with approximately 11 percent of spending by private plans under Medicare Advantage.


It is demanding that someone else do something about it.

Whoo is? :confused:

I'm talking about personal responsibility and personal actions, not some demanding that some nameless, faceless pencil pusher in DC send checks to meaningless names on a list. Go out and actually help real people.


I’m gona go out and mug a bell ringer tonight and get right on the job.:(
 

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Bredesen criticizes Obama's health care plan | Nashville City Paper

Phil Bredesen is taking the lead among the nation’s governors in warning Congress against forcing states to pay a significant chunk of the cost of health care reform.

Bredesen, co-chair for health care policy for the National Governor’s Association, is objecting to a provision in House and Senate bills to expand Medicaid to cover anyone with incomes less than 133 percent of the poverty level, or $29,327 for a family of four.

Since states pay roughly one third of Medicaid, the provision could add billions of dollars in costs to state governments. Bredesen calls it “the mother of all unfunded mandates,” and he’s been making his case to reporters for weeks now at every opportunity.

“We can’t print money,” he says. “We can’t borrow money. A lot of staffers in Congress really don’t understand this idea of a balanced budget.”

The governor, a former HMO executive, says he favors universal health care, but not if that means added expense to Tennessee’s state government, which already is saddled with a $1 billion annual revenue loss because of the economic meltdown.

“This couldn't come at a worse time for the states,” he says.

The federal government would pick up the new Medicaid costs for two years under bills before Congress. But after that, states would have to pay some of the cost of newly eligible Medicaid recipients.

The Daily News Blog » More from Bredesen on Health Care

It’s easy to forget Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen is a Democrat and last year was on the Obama administration’s short list for the job of Health and Human Services Secretary when the governor writes in a new book that 2010’s health care reform was “a stunning disappointment.”

He’s not saying he thinks reform doesn’t go far enough, a view held by some liberals and progressives who would like to expand the social safety net even beyond what the bill passed by Congress does.

Bredesen thinks it was a flat-out misguided bill, flawed from the get-go.

“The problem isn’t that we expanded coverage,” Bredesen writes in his new book “Fresh Medicine,” referring to the millions of uninsured and under-insured people who can now either buy insurance with the help of federal vouchers and the creation of state health exchanges.

“The problem was expanding coverage is about all we did.”

“Government loves complexity, rules and red tape, but we may have outdone ourselves this time,” Bredesen writes. “Reform offered a chance to clean up the baroque system we have created over the years, reduce bureaucracy, lower administrative cost and give clarity and focus to a major part of where we spend our taxpayers’ money.

“Instead, we created more complexity, more regulations and the need for more bureaucracy.”
 

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Eighty million uninsured and counting would take a bit more than ringing a bell outside a Wal-Mart. Do you have anything to add to the thread other than snark?

So you wouldn't be willing to give to the sick?
 

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Ending Medicaid? Good but its all talk, get back to me when someone has the balls to actually do it.

Hah, really.

why is it so ridiculous and offensive to many for anyone to suggest that individuals should actually be the ones to care for theirselves?
 
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