Some Racist whiteguy think Hitler is an civil right leader

[Caine]

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana

I think we have all learned from history not to allow a bad combover micro-mustashe jew hating retard to be the leader of a powerful nation.

Trust me... its been "noted".

 

[Southern Man]

I think we have all learned from history not to allow a bad combover micro-mustashe jew hating retard to be the leader of a powerful nation.

Trust me... its been "noted".

How did he get there? Socialism.

 

[winston53660]

How did he get there? Socialism.

The Nazis were anti Marxists.

 

[Southern Man]

The Nazis were anti Marxists.

Marx wrote this philosophy in a short but profound pamphlet called the Communist Manifesto.

However, even though Marx's beliefs are now considered to be socialistic rather than communist, many people consider Marx the father of communism.

Socialism and Communism grow apart

 

[winston53660]

Socialism and Communism grow apart

*shrug* so......?

 

[Southern Man]

The Nazis were socialists, not commies. Just like the Democrat Party.

 

[winston53660]

The Nazis were socialists, not commies. .

Nope, the Nazis were Fascists.

Just like the Democrat Party

Sounds like you are advocating for single party control. Hmmm I wonder who else has done that....

 

[Southern Man]

Nope, the Nazis were Fascists.



Sounds like you are advocating for single party control. Hmmm I wonder who else has done that....

Facism is socialism with a gun. I advocate exposing the Democrat Party for what it has become; your one-party scenario is a carictature of my argument.

 

[Ockham]

Some racist black guy thinks Al Sharpton is a civil rights leader. :roll:

Who is more accepted, Al Sharpton or Hitler?

You have a valid point --- Sharpton has been and continues to be a racist and yes, many believe he is a civil rights leader. However, given history - I'd take a Sharpton who's easy to ignore or dismiss as being a clown over Hitler any day.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The Nazis were socialists, not commies. Just like the Democrat Party.

(Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and anti-Semitism.[9] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[10]

Na·zi (näts, nt-)
n. pl. Na·zis
1. A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.
2. often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.

Main Entry: Na·zi
Pronunciation: \ˈnät-sē, ˈnat-\
Function: noun
Etymology: German, by shortening & alteration from Nationalsozialist, from national national + Sozialist socialist
Date: 1930

1 : a member of a German fascist party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler
2 often not capitalized a : one who espouses the beliefs and policies of the German Nazis : fascist b : one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person

Ok now that Naziism being fascist is established. Lets move on to the second claim.

Facism is socialism with a gun.

Fascists support a "Third Position" in economic policy, which they believe superior to both the rampant individualism of laissez-faire capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[29][30]

Fascists were not hostile to the petite bourgeoisie or to small businesses, and promised these groups protection alongside the proletariat from the upper-class bourgeoisie, big business, and Marxism. The promotion of these groups is the source of the term 'extremism of the centre' to describe fascism.[246]

fascists would fight against other political factions and a declaration of opposition to bolshevism and socialism, particularly the socialism of the Italian Socialist Party.

There is more in the article to support my argument, but I think the point is made.

Socialism has a definite philosophy, based upon clearly enunciated principles which had long been debated and were widely understood. Socialists disagreed among themselves on certain points and upon programs of action. But socialism as a system of social structure with an organized body of doctrine was well understood. This was not true of Fascism.

There's more stuff out there too.

However, the point is that the two, while having some similarities, are very different. Personally I think the biggest difference is in their focus. Socialism is for the benefit of the people while Fascism is for the benefit of the state.

 

[Southern Man]

There's more stuff out there too.

I prefer to look at the actual written policies of the two regimes instead of wiki articles. :mrgreen:

 

[winston53660]

I prefer to look at the actual written policies of the two regimes instead of wiki articles. :mrgreen:

Well then please link to them.

 

[Tucker Case]

The third part is a legitimate issue: the point that white people are not permitted to take any amount of 'pride' in their race or genealogy. This specifically draws attention to the hypocrisy behind the fact that all people of all non-white "cultures" or "races" are permitted to take pride, organize and otherwise support and further causes purely in the name of their "race" or "cultures" whereas white people are not permitted to do so blatantly.

White cultures are allowed to be proud as well:

Gotta love the dagos and their sparkly ****. :lol:

aw hell, just go to this website:

proud to be comments and graphics for myspace, facebook, hi5, friendster, orkut, and blogger.Page: 1



There is no "white" culture. Irish culture is not the same as Germans or Portuguese culture.

The argument presented by white Americans is one of idiocy because white American culture is the American culture. When peopel say "proud to be an american" other cultures don't immediately think of Tupac.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

White cultures are allowed to be proud as well:

Gotta love the dagos and their sparkly ****. :lol:

aw hell, just go to this website:

proud to be comments and graphics for myspace, facebook, hi5, friendster, orkut, and blogger.Page: 1



There is no "white" culture. Irish culture is not the same as Germans or Portuguese culture.

The argument presented by white Americans is one of idiocy because white American culture is the American culture. When peopel say "proud to be an american" other cultures don't immediately think of Tupac.

Ireland - country.
Italy - country.
USA - country.

Yes, its' perfectly acceptable to have pride in your country. None of this is in direct corelation to race.

 

[Caine]

There is no "white" culture. Irish culture is not the same as Germans or Portuguese culture.

There is no "black" culture. South African culture is not the same as that in Somalia or Kenyan, or American.

The argument presented by white Americans is one of idiocy because white American culture is the American culture. When peopel say "proud to be an american" other cultures don't immediately think of Tupac.

The argument presented by black Americans is one of idiocy because black American culture is part of American culture. When people say "proud to be American" other cultures don't immediately think of Garth Brooks.

 

[Tucker Case]

Ireland - country.

I guess the picture didn't post. It says Irish not Ireland. Irish is a culture not a country.

Italy - country.

Again, same deal. It doesn't say "proud of Italy". They add the "ian" to signifiy the nationality and culture.

USA - country.

Again, doesn't say USA, it says "American". That's a culture.

Yes, its' perfectly acceptable to have pride in your country. None of this is in direct corelation to race.

And it's perfectly acceptable to have pride in your culture as well.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I prefer to look at the actual written policies of the two regimes instead of wiki articles. :mrgreen:

As I stated, there are some similarities. However that does not mean they are the same ideology. So far, you have only shown that they are similar. Now you have to show that they are equivelent.

 

[Tucker Case]

There is no "black" culture. South African culture is not the same as that in Somalia or Kenyan, or American.

True, to a degree. But there is an African-American culture. Just like there is an overall European-American culture. It's just that the European-American culture is more commonly referred to as "American Culture" in general.

There are various white sub-cultures as well. Southern culture, Midwestern culture, east coast culture, west coast culture, Southwest culture, etc.

They are almost always geographically based for the various white sub cultures.

African American culture, though, tends to be more universalized and is often an amalgamation between older slave traditions, southern traditions and more modern traditions.

The argument presented by black Americans is one of idiocy because black American culture is part of American culture. When people say "proud to be American" other cultures don't immediately think of Garth Brooks.

Actually, Garth Brooks would probably spring to the minds of many people in Ireland when you say American Culture. They wouldn't really think of James Hetfield, but country singers are often the basis for American stereotypes as of late.

Especially when talking about "Proud to be an American. That almost immediately causes people to think of country singers.

 

[Caine]

True, to a degree. But there is an African-American culture.

Racist word. Blacks in America are no less American than I, nor are they any more African than I. That term is RACIST. It sets blacks aside as 'different' the the rest of "Americans". They are Americans. There is no "African" about them.

Just like there is an overall European-American culture. It's just that the European-American culture is more commonly referred to as "American Culture" in general.

I disagree. We are a melting pot of cultures. Our culture represents a mixture of many different cultures. That is what makes us so great.

There are various white sub-cultures as well. Southern culture, Midwestern culture, east coast culture, west coast culture, Southwest culture, etc.

To that I can agree. However, it applies equally across different races, so I don't see the race factor involved.

African American culture, though, tends to be more universalized and is often an amalgamation between older slave traditions, southern traditions and more modern traditions.

Geographically determined usually.....

Actually, Garth Brooks would probably spring to the minds of many people in Ireland when you say American Culture. They wouldn't really think of James Hetfield, but country singers are often the basis for American stereotypes as of late.

Especially when talking about "Proud to be an American. That almost immediately causes people to think of country singers.

Then maybe more rock and rap singers should start acting like they are a part of this country and at least PRETEND to be proud to be American. But they are so blind they can't see past the fact that we are not perfect, but alot closer to it than many other countries.

 

[Tucker Case]

Racist word. Blacks in America are no less American than I, nor are they any more African than I. That term is RACIST. It sets blacks aside as 'different' the the rest of "Americans". They are Americans. There is no "African" about them.

For the vast majority of our history, black people were purposefully excluded from mainstream culture. It's only in the last half century that there have been steps taken to try and incorporate blacks into mainstream culture.

The culture of African-Americans developped over hundreds of years. Since before the country even existed. It isn't racist to talk about what actually exists.

I disagree. We are a melting pot of cultures. Our culture represents a mixture of many different cultures. That is what makes us so great.

This is a myth. It's more of a stir fry. At no point was America ever really a melting pot.

To that I can agree. However, it applies equally across different races, so I don't see the race factor involved.

There are geographically based sub-cultures within the African American culture as well. When you purposefully exclude people form teh main culture, they are going to develop a separate culture. It happens.

Then maybe more rock and rap singers should start acting like they are a part of this country and at least PRETEND to be proud to be American. But they are so blind they can't see past the fact that we are not perfect, but alot closer to it than many other countries.

"Perfect" is a subjective measure. There are many who would say the US is further form perfect than many other countries.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

True, to a degree. But there is an African-American culture. Just like there is an overall European-American culture. It's just that the European-American culture is more commonly referred to as "American Culture" in general.

There are various white sub-cultures as well. Southern culture, Midwestern culture, east coast culture, west coast culture, Southwest culture, etc.

They are almost always geographically based for the various white sub cultures.

African American culture, though, tends to be more universalized and is often an amalgamation between older slave traditions, southern traditions and more modern traditions.

If you want to discuss stereotype then that's a completely different subject - there's no rule that dictates what "race" is connected with a particular "culture"


Actually, Garth Brooks would probably spring to the minds of many people in Ireland when you say American Culture. They wouldn't really think of James Hetfield, but country singers are often the basis for American stereotypes as of late.

Especially when talking about "Proud to be an American. That almost immediately causes people to think of country singers.

Why are you continually breaking things down to race or skin color?

A black dude can be "proud to be Irish". A white dude can be "proud to be Jamaican."
Culture or country is not about the color of your skin.

 

[Tucker Case]

Why are you continually breaking things down to race or skin color?

A black dude can be "proud to be Irish". A white dude can be "proud to be Jamaican."
Culture or country is not about the color of your skin.

An black guy can be proud to be Irish, and a white guy can be proud to be Jamaican. I never said they couldn't be.

Ireland hasn't purposefully excluded blacks from their culture for hundreds of years and to my knowledge Jamaica didn't puposefully exclude whites from their culture for hundreds of years. But these cultures are still primarily white and black respectively.


However, the US did purposefully exclude blacks from the mainstream "white" culture for centuries.

When a population is isolated, it will develop it's own culture. That's why there is a geographic aspect to culture. For blacks in America, the isolation wasn't geographic, it was political. Thus, they developed their own culture in parralell to the mainstream American culture. This centuries old isolation didn't just disapear once the Jim Crow ended. To pretend that assimilation will occur immediately, if at all, is naive at best.

It's our nation's history that caused this racially based cutltural divide.

Many white people expect blacks to give up their culture and adopt the mainstream culture that purposefully excluded their ancestors as though that will fix everything.

It's pure idiocy. White Americans would balk at being told they should readopt british culture and give up their American culture. Anyone will balk at being told that they have to give up their culture. Even more so when their culture was created due to historical oppresion committed by the culture they are being told to adopt.

Race can certainly be a factor in culture. Especially when races are isolated by teh mainstream culture.

 

[Caine]

For the vast majority of our history, black people were purposefully excluded from mainstream culture. It's only in the last half century that there have been steps taken to try and incorporate blacks into mainstream culture.

The culture of African-Americans developped over hundreds of years. Since before the country even existed. It isn't racist to talk about what actually exists.



This is a myth. It's more of a stir fry. At no point was America ever really a melting pot.




There are geographically based sub-cultures within the African American culture as well. When you purposefully exclude people form teh main culture, they are going to develop a separate culture. It happens.




"Perfect" is a subjective measure. There are many who would say the US is further form perfect than many other countries.

You know, your right Tucker.

Because it happened in the past, lets continue to set Blacks apart from the rest of America and then while we are at it, lets complain about how things will never be Equal.

I wonder how long that will last?

 

[Tucker Case]

You know, your right Tucker.

Because it happened in the past, lets continue to set Blacks apart from the rest of America and then while we are at it, lets complain about how things will never be Equal.

I wonder how long that will last?

That's a handy strawman.

One needs to acknowledge reality in order to find real solutions.

And real solutions will require give and take from both sides. The whiney bitching and crying coming from both sides only exacerbatres the problems.

 

[Caine]

That's a handy strawman.

One needs to acknowledge reality in order to find real solutions.

And real solutions will require give and take from both sides. The whiney bitching and crying coming from both sides only exacerbatres the problems.

Im not wining bitching or complaining, Im only asking for things to be equal.

no more racist "African-American", no more Affirmative Action. No more focus on one group's racist acts while ignoring the others. No more excusing racism because, "They were so oppressed for so long, we understand."
No more generalizations that all blacks are poor, uneducated morons. No more generalizations that all whites live privleged lives. No more generalizations that all hispanics are illegal immigrants.

Im only asking for true equality. I think we've done enough of acknowledging reality. Its time to put all that **** behind us, teach it in history class, and move the **** on.