Some Questions of Those on the Left who find Property Destruction Acceptable

[Aurora]

Despise away until your heart is content. Once again republicans are on the wrong side of social change.

Is social change being that your community is a pile of rubble?

 

[bongsaway]

Is social change being that your community is a pile of rubble?

Like tulsa was years ago? It's sad that people have to actually physically fight to make changes because those in charge want no changes.

You old enough to remember Move? A black group in philadelphia where the cops burned down a whole black neighborhood just to get to them.

You are only concerned about white property and white people.

 

[Aurora]

Like tulsa was years ago? It's sad that people have to actually physically fight to make changes because those in charge want no changes.

You old enough to remember Move? A black group in philadelphia where the cops burned down a whole black neighborhood just to get to them.

You are only concerned about white property and white people.

Black businesses burned. Business that supported the people who lived in those areas. The destruction was pure mindless low IQ savagery. They destroyed Minneapolis before they had all the information. They were manipulated by endless playback of eight minutes of video. Truly stupid people. They rioted against innocent people not the alleged villain cops or the mayors office or chief of police. This goes national in it's destruction. The protesters deserve zero respect.

 

[bongsaway]

Black businesses burned. Business that supported the people who lived in those areas. The destruction was pure mindless low IQ savagery. They destroyed Minneapolis before they had all the information. They were manipulated by endless playback of eight minutes of video. Truly stupid people.

What you call manipulated, most call murder.

 

[Aurora]

What you call manipulated, most call murder.

You can call it anything you want regardless of having all the facts. That's the world they live in.....emotion. So the mob attacks innocent people who NOTHING to do with any of this. Typical Biden voter.

 

[bongsaway]

You can call it anything you want regardless of having all the facts. That's the world they live in.....emotion. So the mob attacks innocent people who NOTHING to do with any of this. Typical Biden voter.

Emotion, or let's just say empathy. Something the right obviously doesn't have.

 

[veritas1]

This is a discussion about what defunding police means, from what you probably think is lefty-socialist NPR. You don't need your secret Bernie Sanders decoder ring to listen to our far left socialist plans.
Defunding The Police: What Would It Mean For The U.S.? : NPR

This is from the somewhat liberal Brookings think tank,

Con't at What does ‘defund the police’ mean and does it have merit?

It has no merit. Any reduction in policing, especially urban policing, is going to be a disaster. The people who live there know this. It's why they oppose it.

 

[Lisa]

It has no merit. Any reduction in policing, especially urban policing, is going to be a disaster. The people who live there know this. It's why they oppose it.

Police officers in squad cars are not going to disappear, so your claim is irrelevant.

According to some studies less than half of what police do it related to law enforcement but instead of mental health and domestic disputes that they are not trained to deal with. We would instead hire people who are trained to deal with mental health and the social problems that the cops can not do effectively. We would also spend more money to address the deeper issues before they become law enforcement problems such as drug abuse, homelessness, domestic violence, and other social issues. The new way has proven in test cases to be both cheaper and more effective with less police violence.

Nor every problem in the city is effectively addressed with a Taser, handgun, and handcuffs, despite what you may have been convinced.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

You deal with the imaginary. I deal in reality. Funny how Trump's fans always talk about Democrats, never Trump.

I have a question for those here on this forum who self-identify as political left-wing or left-leaning and who either find nothing to condemn about property destruction, vandalism, and/or looting, or find it even acceptable or laudable:

Why are you okay or even happy with it?

Is it because property destruction, looting and vandalism are crimes that you cannot summon moral outrage for because it is far less terrible when compared to unjustified police killings and abuse?

Is it because you cannot see the havoc it wreaks on the lives of those whose property is ruined (presuming it is private property) versus those of people who have been killed on video? Perhaps you presume that the property owners have adequate insurance coverage which will pay cover and make good their losses?

Or is it for less emotive and more ideological reasons? Is it because the property owners, whatever their ancestry or the means of their attainment of property, are the conscious or unconscious beneficiaries of a system that has oppressed black Americans and/or exploits workers and the landless, and thus they deserve the destruction visited upon their property? Perhaps you would hope that this destruction spurs systemic change as those with economic power plead with those in political power to better the situation of the permanent underclass in order to avoid further unrest which threatens their property?

All of the above? None of the above? Are there other reasons?

Keep in mind, this is not a "gotcha" or my opportunity to heap abuse on top of you. I genuinely want to know your reasoning and hopefully I or other members on this forum, left, right, center or non-aligned can have a civil discussion with you.

DISCLAIMER: Before anyone rushes to answer, please keep in mind that this question is NOT aimed at self-identified left-wing or left-leaning members of this forum who are against property destruction, looting and vandalism. Only for those who are not.

Trump stepped up his rhetoric against Biden, calling him a “puppet of left-wing extremists trying to erase our borders, eliminate our police, indoctrinate our children, vilify our heroes, take away our energy.” Speaking to a crowd of several hundred supporters outside an aircraft hangar, Trump alleged that a Biden victory would “replace American freedom with left-wing fascism.”

“I’m here to help you. We will bring back law and order to your community. We will bring it back, and we will bring it back immediately,” Trump told the people of Minnesota.

Should Biden be elected, Trump apparently was very concerned about the possibility of uncontrolled violence in the streets of Minneapolis following a racial event like the killing of at black man at the hands of law enforcement.

Trump warned us that if Biden is elected there could be months of unfettered violence in a peaceful American city like Portland, Oregon.

If Biden is elected, Trump told us that shootings would become common place in cities like Chicago.

If Biden is elected, Trump warned there would constant BLM protests and racial strife from Los Angeles to Baltimore and every city in between.

If Biden is elected, Trump warned us that a peaceful little town in Wisconsin would be torn apart when a local cop shot an unarmed black man in front of his kids. Trump suggested that things would get so bad the NBA would have to cancel tournament games. Many thought Trump was going too far this time.

Funny how those issues sound very familiar to most Americans. Is it possible our President lost control of our country long ago? Now, characteristically, he wants to put the blame on someone else.

His Presidential rival is the logical target.

It is called transference. Blame someone else for one's own faults.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

It has no merit. Any reduction in policing, especially urban policing, is going to be a disaster. The people who live there know this. It's why they oppose it.

Biden knows it, too. The “tough on crime” law passed 25 years ago was authored by Joe Biden.

When are Trump and his followers going to quit lying about Biden?

 

[Felis Leo]

You deal with the imaginary. I deal in reality. Funny how Trump's fans always talk about Democrats, never Trump.

You can stop right there, Sandy Shanks. I am not a Trump voter, a Trump supporter, or a Trump fan.

 

[veritas1]

Police officers in squad cars are not going to disappear, so your claim is irrelevant.

According to some studies less than half of what police do it related to law enforcement but instead of mental health and domestic disputes that they are not trained to deal with. We would instead hire people who are trained to deal with mental health and the social problems that the cops can not do effectively. We would also spend more money to address the deeper issues before they become law enforcement problems such as drug abuse, homelessness, domestic violence, and other social issues. The new way has proven in test cases to be both cheaper and more effective with less police violence.

Nor every problem in the city is effectively addressed with a Taser, handgun, and handcuffs, despite what you may have been convinced.

Many domestic disputes involve violence and threats of violence. This requires law enforcement, not Sally Social Worker who could very well become a victim, too. The left comes up with these pie in the sky ideas but they never work in the real world and only lead to more problems. Police aren't replacing marriage counseling and the like but at certain times when things are heated, they are required. That's simply an irrefutable fact.

 

[veritas1]

Biden knows it, too. The “tough on crime” law passed 25 years ago was authored by Joe Biden.

When are Trump and his followers going to quit lying about Biden?

Biden has run as fast and far from all his old positions as possible. He has utterly surrendered to the fringe and is but a hand puppet for them. Biden has already said he favors defunding so his past positions mean nothing.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

You can stop right there, Sandy Shanks. I am not a Trump voter, a Trump supporter, or a Trump fan.

Oh, really? You wrote this title.

Some Questions of Those on the Left who find Property Destruction Acceptable

That is exactly what Trump is saying. You just made a fool of yourself.

I'd be embarrassed, too, if I was a Trump follower.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Biden has run as fast and far from all his old positions as possible. He has utterly surrendered to the fringe and is but a hand puppet for them. Biden has already said he favors defunding so his past positions mean nothing.

Why don't ever talk about what Trump is doing and saying? Not the theoretical mumbo jumbo about Trump. What he is actually doing and saying as in this thread,
"A report card on the Trump administration."

You are like all the rest of Trump's fans. You avoid Trump.

 

[Individual]

I have a question for those here on this forum who self-identify as political left-wing or left-leaning and who either find nothing to condemn about property destruction, vandalism, and/or looting, or find it even acceptable or laudable:

Why are you okay or even happy with it?

Is it because property destruction, looting and vandalism are crimes that you cannot summon moral outrage for because it is far less terrible when compared to unjustified police killings and abuse?

Is it because you cannot see the havoc it wreaks on the lives of those whose property is ruined (presuming it is private property) versus those of people who have been killed on video? Perhaps you presume that the property owners have adequate insurance coverage which will pay cover and make good their losses?

Or is it for less emotive and more ideological reasons? Is it because the property owners, whatever their ancestry or the means of their attainment of property, are the conscious or unconscious beneficiaries of a system that has oppressed black Americans and/or exploits workers and the landless, and thus they deserve the destruction visited upon their property? Perhaps you would hope that this destruction spurs systemic change as those with economic power plead with those in political power to better the situation of the permanent underclass in order to avoid further unrest which threatens their property?

All of the above? None of the above? Are there other reasons?

Keep in mind, this is not a "gotcha" or my opportunity to heap abuse on top of you. I genuinely want to know your reasoning and hopefully I or other members on this forum, left, right, center or non-aligned can have a civil discussion with you.

DISCLAIMER: Before anyone rushes to answer, please keep in mind that this question is NOT aimed at self-identified left-wing or left-leaning members of this forum who are against property destruction, looting and vandalism. Only for those who are not.

I believe this is the Democrats method of job creation.

 

[Felis Leo]

Oh, really? You wrote this title.

Some Questions of Those on the Left who find Property Destruction Acceptable

That is exactly what Trump is saying. You just made a fool of yourself.

I'd be embarrassed, too, if I was a Trump follower.

Again, not a Trump fan. I am a conservative. I generally stand against the political left ideologically on most issues. You can see it in my profile. If you define anyone who is critical of the political left as a “Trump supporter”, that is your prerogative, but it certainly denotes a paucity of nuance on your part.

 

[Drawdown]

I have a question for those here on this forum who self-identify as political left-wing or left-leaning and who either find nothing to condemn about property destruction, vandalism, and/or looting, or find it even acceptable or laudable:

Why are you okay or even happy with it?

Is it because property destruction, looting and vandalism are crimes that you cannot summon moral outrage for because it is far less terrible when compared to unjustified police killings and abuse?

Is it because you cannot see the havoc it wreaks on the lives of those whose property is ruined (presuming it is private property) versus those of people who have been killed on video? Perhaps you presume that the property owners have adequate insurance coverage which will pay cover and make good their losses?

Or is it for less emotive and more ideological reasons? Is it because the property owners, whatever their ancestry or the means of their attainment of property, are the conscious or unconscious beneficiaries of a system that has oppressed black Americans and/or exploits workers and the landless, and thus they deserve the destruction visited upon their property? Perhaps you would hope that this destruction spurs systemic change as those with economic power plead with those in political power to better the situation of the permanent underclass in order to avoid further unrest which threatens their property?

All of the above? None of the above? Are there other reasons?

Keep in mind, this is not a "gotcha" or my opportunity to heap abuse on top of you. I genuinely want to know your reasoning and hopefully I or other members on this forum, left, right, center or non-aligned can have a civil discussion with you.

DISCLAIMER: Before anyone rushes to answer, please keep in mind that this question is NOT aimed at self-identified left-wing or left-leaning members of this forum who are against property destruction, looting and vandalism. Only for those who are not.

If you break into a lab to free the puppies, then the property destruction is more incidental and directly related to your cause. If you loot a target of its electronics because they sell makeup tested on puppies, then you are off the reservation. The current DNC/BLM party is in the latter group.

 

[Felis Leo]

I believe this is the Democrats method of job creation.

:lamo

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Again, not a Trump fan. I am a conservative. I generally stand against the political left ideologically on most issues. You can see it in my profile. If you define anyone who is critical of the political left as a “Trump supporter”, that is your prerogative, but it certainly denotes a paucity of nuance on your part.

Okay, I will go along with that, but you sure attracted a lot of Trump's followers to your thread, and what you said is in line with what Trump is saying. So, you are not a Trump fan, but you are agreeing with Trump.

Also, a number of Trump supporters deny they are members of Trump's fan club. They are embarrassed of their support for Trump.

So, what was I to think?

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Many domestic disputes involve violence and threats of violence. This requires law enforcement, not Sally Social Worker who could very well become a victim, too. The left comes up with these pie in the sky ideas but they never work in the real world and only lead to more problems. Police aren't replacing marriage counseling and the like but at certain times when things are heated, they are required. That's simply an irrefutable fact.

Why don't ever talk about what Trump is doing and saying? Not the theoretical mumbo jumbo about Trump. What he is actually doing and saying as in this thread,
"A report card on the Trump administration."

You are like all the rest of Trump's fans. You avoid Trump.

No response, and, of course, the Trump fan continues to avoid a thread highly critical of Trump.

I knew that would happen. That's what Trump's fans do.

 

[veritas1]

Why don't ever talk about what Trump is doing and saying? Not the theoretical mumbo jumbo about Trump. What he is actually doing and saying as in this thread,
"A report card on the Trump administration."

You are like all the rest of Trump's fans. You avoid Trump.

And the left avoids their policy positions like the plague. It's why all they do is talk about Trump, yet, they have little to talk about other than what they make up. The hard truth is that the large majority of people hate this mob violence that Democrat cities are failing to stop. They also refuse any Federal assistance. All of that is helping to assure Trump's re-election.

 

[veritas1]

No response, and, of course, the Trump fan continues to avoid a thread highly critical of Trump.

I knew that would happen. That's what Trump's fans do.

1. The post you quoted was not directed to you.

2. The post you quoted was about the topic under discussion, which was police defunding.

3. This thread is about leftist street violence. It seems you are the one off topic.


Three strikes and you're out.