Soldier Weeps Describing Role in Rape and Killings in Iraq

[26 X World Champs]

Hate filled jealousy run amok!

Jealousy? :rofl Please, please expound on how I am "jealous" of anything that Bush does?

Do I hate most of his decisions? You bet I do! I hate that he started a war. I hate that he's sent thousands of Americans to an untimely and unjustified death. I hate that he's destroying our country and sh!tting on the Constitution....but I most definitely am not jealous...

Maybe you're just upset because the Dems are in power in the Congress and have a better than 50-50 chance of taking over the Executive branch in less than two years?

 

[26 X World Champs]

and I'm confident you can kiss my ***. Gloat if you must, but your free pass to bait and incite won't last forever.

Thanks for confirming that you do not have any non-partisan sites to support your claims meaning that what you're stating is inaccurate and unproven.

How come people like Bush make untruthful claims and when proven wrong refuse to admit they've erred? How come you're now doing the same thing as Bush?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Thanks for confirming that you do not have any non-partisan sites to support your claims meaning that what you're stating is inaccurate and unproven.

If what I posted is inaccurate, then you will have no problem showing how those things never happened. Now it's your serve. Prove those four news items are inaccurate. Or will you cut and run?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Multi-National Force - Iraq - Iraqis, Wolfhounds build relationship to achieve success

Multi-National Force - Iraq - Daily Stories

Multi-National Force - Iraq - Ramadi mayor solving problems

Multi-National Force - Iraq - Convergence of forces working in al-Doura

Here they are again, Champs. Prove they never happened. I'm betting your pants are already soiled and you have decided to cut and run.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Here they are again, Champs. Prove they never happened. I'm betting your pants are already soiled and you have decided to cut and run.

I previously wrote that I do not doubt their authenticity, remember? I asked you to go beyond the propaganda stories but you keep changing the subject.

For example, the second story re Fallujah is not the reality of what is happening there and you know that quite well. The story you posted is true but when you also leave out all the other truths that are Fallujah it becomes propaganda, not fair and balanced and therefore meaningless.

Try this link from a very conservative newpaper for the reality that is Iraq:

Fallujah - The New York Sun

When you present a story and leave out most of the facts yet still leave in some facts that is deceptive and propaganda and that is exactly what you keep posting.

Propaganda sucks CurrentAffairs...and you lost your bet...again!

 

[cherokee]

Thanks for the nice words. How about debating this thread? The soldiers that have been convicted and sentenced are a direct reflection of Bush's decision to attack Iraq. Without the war this would not have happened.

Bush et al is indirectly responsible for the rapes, murders, maimings and hatred that has been generated in Iraq by Iraqis and by American soldiers.

Nowhere near all of our soldiers are evil like the bastards who committed these crimes but Bush is evil and he instigated our troops to the breaking point. He put them in a position to kill and rape and Bush's policies in Iraq will be his legacy and ultimately his place in history will always be scarred by the immense mistake he made by starting a needless and worthless war.

So is ice cream responsible for rape?
Let me know when you figure that out...

 

[CurrentAffairs]

I previously wrote that I do not doubt their authenticity, remember?

Interesting, considering you also said this:

"...what you're stating is inaccurate and unproven."

So which is it, Champs - authentic or inaccurate and unproven?


Are you sure you're not John Kerry?

:lol:

 

[26 X World Champs]

Interesting, considering you also said this:

"...what you're stating is inaccurate and unproven."

So which is it, Champs - authentic or inaccurate and unproven?


Are you sure you're not John Kerry?

:lol:

Both and I explained it in my last post. Perhaps it was too intellectually diverse for you to grasp what I wrote?

By posting half a story and omitting important truths the slant changes and what you posted becomes misleading. Posting "happy news" from Fallujah without pointing out that the story your referring to is rare and very out of the ordinary is disingenuous in my opinion.

It's sort of like reporting a baseball score after 5 innings as if the score then is actually the final score. The score reported is true but it is not the ultimate truth and it omits half the game and that is exactly what your posts on this subject have done.

Furthermore I challenged you to come up with any other stories like those that does not come from the Bush controlled propaganda machine. You've cut and run away from that request and instead chose to lash out at me which has been quite interesting to read.

You know how it is when you bust someone for not telling the truth and rather than having the humility to admit they're wrong they get angry instead and lash out at the person who has exposed them?

Food for thought CurrentAffairs, food for thought.

Can't you see how the actions of these soldiers have hurt the entire mission? Equally can't you see how Bush's actions have hurt the criminal soldiers AND the 99.9% of our soldiers who are not criminals?

Bush's war is destroying our country, it's destroying Iraq, it might destroy Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine and Israel too. Throw in the incredibly poor world opinion of Bush which translates into a much lower regard for America and Americans and you have a category five hurricane named George W.....

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Bush's war is destroying our country, it's destroying Iraq, it might destroy Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine and Israel too. Throw in the incredibly poor world opinion of Bush which translates into a much lower regard for America and Americans and you have a category five hurricane named George W.....

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, even if they are simplistic and misinformed and unintelligent.

 

[Napoleon's Nightingale]

....however the only people responsible for this are these men. Nobody else.

Oh? And where were their commanding officers while those soldiers were boozing on the job? Where were their commanding officers while those soldeirs were raping and murdering an Iraqi girl and her family? This trajedy goes far beyond just those two soldiers and speaks volumes about the breakdown in dicipline and the chain of command over there. Like the Haditha massacre, it took a TON of public outrage and bad p.r. for the military to even bother investigating this crime and that was after they attempted to sweep it under the rug with hush money and false reports.

 

[PrimBabUB]

How can someone be so enlightened in one area, and so clueless in others?

I think I have to agree with this. Take for instance the fact that middle eastern women are abused, day in and day out, by their own men.........but that's OK. When ONE American soldier crosses the line, it's a big deal. Go figure.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I think I have to agree with this. Take for instance the fact that middle eastern women are abused, day in and day out, by their own men.........but that's OK. When ONE American soldier crosses the line, it's a big deal. Go figure.

Diminishing that these guys raped a 14 year old girl who didn't speak their language and also killed her entire family and her is sickening....what were you thinking when you wrote your last post?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, even if they are simplistic and misinformed.

So what is your "informed" opinion? It appears that you're very fast to critique other people's posts while at the same time not expressing your views.

Tell us what you think CurrentAffairs. Do you think that this is a good war? That we're winning or that we can win? Do you think it's a civil war? Whose the enemy? Who are we fighting exactly? Do you want to nuke Iran? There are so many questions that you never answer, that you evade and dodge and then attack the questioner...how about simply expressing what YOU think, for once?

 

[PrimBabUB]

Diminishing that these guys raped a 14 year old girl who didn't speak their language and also killed her entire family and her is sickening....what were you thinking when you wrote your last post?

I wasn't diminishing what these guys did but I sure as hell don't recognize your selective political outrage over it when I see atrocities that have been committed against women in this region not being a particular concern of yours unless you can make American look bad for your own agenda.

P.S. If I misspelled anything. I don't give a **** so don't botter to pont it owt.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Do you think that this is a good war?
That we're winning or that we can win?
Do you think it's a civil war?
Whose the enemy?
Who are we fighting exactly?
Do you want to nuke Iran?

Maybe you should start a thread for all of these topics. To discuss them here would be to derail the thread.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, even if they are simplistic and misinformed and unintelligent.

Originally Posted by 26 X World Champs
Bush's war is destroying our country, it's destroying Iraq, it might destroy Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine and Israel too. Throw in the incredibly poor world opinion of Bush which translates into a much lower regard for America and Americans and you have a category five hurricane named George W.....

Would you enlighten me and the Forum what part of my post above you disagree with and why? I mean do you think America is in better shape today, 4 years after invading Iraq then we were before the war?

Do you think that the countries I listed above are safer and more stable today than in Feb. 2003?

Do you think world opinion of Bush and America in general is better today than on Sept. 12, 2001?

Please elaborate what in my post you find to be "simplistic, misinformed and unintelligent"? I need to be schooled by you CurrentAffairs and it looks like about 70% of the USA needs it too...

 

[26 X World Champs]

Maybe you should start a thread for all of these topics. To discuss them here would be to derail the thread.

I figured you would cut and run and not express your opinion....seems like you never do...but you surely know my opinion, dontcha?

What are you afraid of CurrentAffairs are you unwilling to take a stand?

 

[1069]

I think I have to agree with this. Take for instance the fact that middle eastern women are abused, day in and day out, by their own men.........but that's OK. When ONE American soldier crosses the line, it's a big deal. Go figure.

1. I seriously doubt there's much validity to your blanket statement. Gross overgeneralizations never end up being valid, in the long run. Although Iraqi women don't have many rights under the law, at present, I'm sure there are Iraqi couples who treat one another with love and equality despite religious and cultural strictures that insist females are inferior. In fact, I'll bet there are some Iraqi women who bully, boss, dominate, and henpeck their husbands.
This was the case in America, even before women had civil rights.
People are still individuals with their own unique personalities, regardless of what era or culture they happen to live in.

2. This was not a "woman". It was a child, who lived at home with her parents and baby sister. Her attackers admit they specifically targeted her because "there was only one man (her father) living in the house".

3. The incident involved more than ONE American soldier, unless he's got a split personality or something. According to him, he had a number of accomplices.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

I mean do you think America is in better shape today, 4 years after invading Iraq then we were before the war?

Do you think that the countries I listed above are safer and more stable today than in Feb. 2003?

Do you think world opinion of Bush and America in general is better today than on Sept. 12, 2001?

As you pointed out several times earlier in this thread, the topic is the soldier weeping as he described the rape. Let's keep it on topic.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

What are you afraid of CurrentAffairs are you unwilling to take a stand?

Just unwilling to play your childish flame baiting game.

 

[26 X World Champs]

As you pointed out several times earlier in this thread, the topic is the soldier weeping as he described the rape. Let's keep it on topic.

It is ON topic because I'm discussing what has led up to this incident and others like it...Bush's war is the root cause and discussing how his decisions got us to today is relevant and very on topic...for whatever reason CurrentAffairs you don't seem to ever express your opinion, especially when someone in this Forum requests it.

It's like you cut and run every time you're asked to stand up and be counted...why? What are you hiding?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

It for whatever reason CurrentAffairs you don't seem to ever express your opinion, especially when someone in this Forum requests it.

Only to you, Champs. I'm hoping you'll soon get the hint.

 

[PrimBabUB]

1. I seriously doubt there's much validity to your blanket statement. Gross overgeneralizations never end up being valid, in the long run. Although Iraqi women don't have many rights under the law, at present, I'm sure there are Iraqi couples who treat one another with love and equality despite religious and cultural strictures that insist females are inferior. In fact, I'll bet there are some Iraqi women who bully, boss, dominate, and henpeck their husbands.
This was the case in America, even before women had civil rights.
People are still individuals with their own unique personalities, regardless of what era or culture they happen to live in.

2. This was not a "woman". It was a child, who lived at home with her parents and baby sister. Her attackers admit they specifically targeted her because "there was only one man (her father) living in the house".

3. The incident involved more than ONE American soldier, unless he's got a split personality or something. According to him, he had a number of accomplices.

Trying to downplay what middle eastern women have to live with is not very becoming of you. I realize that, haters of America, have to do what they can to demonize us. It just doesn't fly. You are not doing these women any favors either, are you?

 

[1069]

You are not doing these women any favors either, are you?

They haven't asked me for any.
Doing "favors" for people who have specifically asked to be left alone is presumptuous, patriarchal and arrogant.
Should I do American Fundamentalist Christian women a "favor" by locking their husbands in detainment centers and sexually humiliating them until they admit they're nothing but inferior whiny little bitches?
Wouldn't I be doing these women a "favor", even though they claim they don't feel oppressed and that they like things the way they are?
Look, when somebody tells me the best way I can help them is to leave them alone, they don't have to ask me twice.
Different strokes for different folks has always been my motto.
I don't have to understand. It's not essential that I do.
I understand this: you can't "liberate" people against their will.

 

[PrimBabUB]

They haven't asked me for any.
Doing "favors" for people who have specifically asked to be left alone is presumptuous, patriarchal and arrogant.
Should I do American Fundamentalist Christian women a "favor" by locking their husbands in detainment centers and sexually humiliating them until they admit they're nothing but inferior whiny little bitches?
Wouldn't I be doing these women a "favor", even though they claim they don't feel oppressed and that they like things the way they are?
Look, when somebody tells me the best way I can help them is to leave them alone, they don't have to ask me twice.
Different strokes for different folks has always been my motto.
I don't have to understand. It's not essential that I do.
I understand this: you can't "liberate" people against their will.

The only thing I am getting from you after reading what you posted

IS

America is Evil

your only agenda.