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Soldier Weeps Describing Role in Rape and Killings in Iraq

Hatuey said:
Considering rape is a sex crime. I think it has something to do with sex...
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Well, you're wrong. It doesn't.
It is, as CurrentAffairs so succinctly put it, a crime of violence and control.
 
1069 said:
Well, you're wrong. It doesn't.
It is, as CurrentAffairs so succinctly put it, a crime of violence and control.
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So it has nothing to do with sex? At all? Why do they call it a sex crime then? :|
 
Hatuey said:
So it has nothing to do with sex? At all? Why do they call it a sex crime then? :|
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Because "they" are deluded; as are you.
 
1069 said:
Because "they" are deluded; as are you.
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Law enforcement is deluded? ....so a rapist is not a sex offender?
 
The law of a sex crime wasn't decided on the psychological aspect of the perpetrator's.

Ultimately it is about control and violence, but I don't think the law goes that deep, that's all.
 
The law of a sex crime wasn't decided on the psychological aspect of the perpetrator's.

Ultimately, rape is about control and violence.
 
aps said:
NO ONE within this thread had made a derogatory comment about all troops, so I see no reason why you would need so say something about it. Just admit that you're not capable of saying something on this message board without making a nasty comment about libs.
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I wish I could but Liberals like Kerry, Durbin, Murtha, and Kennedy are the ones that are always putting our military down.....Why don't you libs get together and just tell them to shut the **** up?
 
I think most people are smart enough to realize these douchebags do not represent the military as a whole, and thus inferring that other people might equate them to the military in any way is completely superfluous.
 
cherokee said:
No excuse for that. NONE what so ever.

Hope they enjoy their stay at Leavenworth.
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A firing squad would have been more fitting a punishment, considering the crime. What they did is the same thing Hitler's troops did when invading other countries, the same as Japan, when they invaded China, the same as Cambodia under the Pol Pot regime, the same as any barbarian monsters who make the news by making war. What distinguishes the United States from these heathen? Plenty. We are supposed to be above all that, even in war. These soldiers not only disgraced the service, their units, and their own uniforms, but in doing so, became little Hitlers, little Hirohitos, and little Pol Pots in the process.

A lot of people agree on what should happen to child molesters who murder their victims here in the US, and I have seen some pretty medieval punishments suggested in this forum for these creeps. I don't think it should be any different just because the victim happened to be an Arab child. These murderous child molesters need to be executed, after being slowly castrated with a dull and rusty knife.
 
Hatuey said:
Law enforcement is deluded? ....so a rapist is not a sex offender?
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Your attempt at making a mountain out of a molehill will not disguise the fact that you errored on this one. But the only one making it a big deal is you. The assertion earlier was that it is hard to fathom how a rapist could get his sexual jollies by commiting rape, knowing that the victim isn't enjoying it. How can that be sex, the poster asked?

My reply was to inform that rape is not a sexual act - not for the rapist. Yes, sex is commited upon the victim, but to the rapist: his jollies come from commiting violence and having power over his victim.

I'm sorry if being corrected hurt so badly. It wasn't meant to sting in quite they was it apparently has.
 
CurrentAffairs said:
Your attempt at making a mountain out of a molehill will not disguise the fact that you errored on this one. But the only one making it a big deal is you. The assertion earlier was that it is hard to fathom how a rapist could get his sexual jollies by commiting rape, knowing that the victim isn't enjoying it. How can that be sex, the poster asked?

My reply was to inform that rape is not a sexual act - not for the rapist. Yes, sex is commited upon the victim, but to the rapist: his jollies come from commiting violence and having power over his victim.

I'm sorry if being corrected hurt so badly. It wasn't meant to sting in quite they was it apparently has.
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Corrected? On what? Thinking that rape might have something to do with sex? Dont flatter yourself. I always thought rape had something to do with sex. I wasn't really debating 1069 on the subject just asking questions.
 
Navy Pride said:
I wish I could but Liberals like Kerry, Durbin, Murtha, and Kennedy are the ones that are always putting our military down.....Why don't you libs get together and just tell them to shut the **** up?
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Why don't you go post on their websites instead of bringing it here?
 
Hatuey said:
Corrected? On what? Dont flatter yourself. I always thought rape had something to do with sex.
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I know you thought that, but now you've found out otherwise. The difference between sex and rape has to do with consent. Rape is the domination of someone. It has nothing to do with sex.

Rape is Not Sex - The Difference Between Rape and Sex

Nowadays, we seem to have forgotten this point. Rape isn't sex. The distance between rape and sex could be measured in light-years. Rapists target a victim's sexual organs because the rapist knows that will cause the most physical and emotional pain. It is no more sexual than a torturer who decides to push bamboo slivers up under the victim's fingernails. In both cases, the goal is the maximum infliction of pain.


Let's Define Sex
Sex, by definition, requires consent. Without consent, sex is, by definition, rape. This is a vital distinction, but attorneys, judges, juries, and society in general just can't seem to grasp it. Defense attorneys seek to exploit this confusion, and survivors have to be alert to these attempts to manipulate the jury's perspective. "So he dragged you to the bedroom, and that's where you had sex?" the defense attorney will ask. "No," the survivor must reply, "he dragged me to the bedroom, and that's where he assaulted me!"


It's a common mistake, Hatuey, so don't feel bad. Glad I could help.
 
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CurrentAffairs said:
I know you thought that, but now you've found out otherwise. The difference between sex and rape has to do with consent. Rape is the domination of someone. It has nothing to do with sex.

Rape is Not Sex - The Difference Between Rape and Sex

Let's Define the Crime
The first thing to notice is the mob plans to have sex with the two men without their consent. Therefore we can immediately label that as rape. (In this case, attempted rape.) It's also clear that this is gang rape. Gang rape is a horrible crime of physical assault and torture and degradation and violence. Sometimes, in ancient wars, soldiers of the winning army would rape the soldiers of the losing army -- not because they were gay, or because they wanted sex -- but because rape was the ultimate act of domination, humiliation, and degradation.

Nowadays, we seem to have forgotten this point. Rape isn't sex. The distance between rape and sex could be measured in light-years. Rapists target a victim's sexual organs because the rapist knows that will cause the most physical and emotional pain. It is no more sexual than a torturer who decides to push bamboo slivers up under the victim's fingernails. In both cases, the goal is the maximum infliction of pain.


Let's Define Sex
Sex, by definition, requires consent. Without consent, sex is, by definition, rape. This is a vital distinction, but attorneys, judges, juries, and society in general just can't seem to grasp it. Defense attorneys seek to exploit this confusion, and survivors have to be alert to these attempts to manipulate the jury's perspective. "So he dragged you to the bedroom, and that's where you had sex?" the defense attorney will ask. "No," the survivor must reply, "he dragged me to the bedroom, and that's where he assaulted me!"


Glad I could help.
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Exactly. It's so rare to encounter a man who comprehends this distinction (unless you're a woman; I really have no idea).

Rape is a crime of dominion. The goal is not sexual satisfaction, but the subjugation, debasement- and ultimately, the dehumanization- of one's victim.

Rapists are indiscriminate, opportunistic, and blind to matters of aesthetics, which govern consensual sexual attraction; conventionally sexually "attractive" woman are not over-represented in the ranks of rape victims.
Frequently, rapists target the most vulnerable segments of the population: children, the elderly, the physically and mentally handicapped.

Rendered impotent, a rapist will penetrate his victim with objects.
Locked in prison, a rapist will victimize other male inmates, even though he's heterosexual.
Sex has nothing to do with it.
It is not about sex.

It is about temporarily attaining a feeling of power, mastery, dominion, or supremacy over another. The more the rapist is able to debase and dehumanize the victim, the greater his feeling of power.
Rape is, at bottom, merely an attempt by a person without self-esteem to gain a temporary feeling of self-worth, importance, and power.
But the feeling doesn't last long after the attack, which is why rapists often keep "trophies" or souvenirs, and also why rapists do it again, and again.
 
CurrentAffairs said:
Meanwhile, thousands upon thousands of decent men and women serve in Iraq every day with honor and dignity. But you wouldn't be interested.
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Gee I don't recall reading one disparaging word from APS or anyone else putting down our soldiers? Maybe you can link us to the posts that are attacking the soldiers in general as you and you BFF Navy Pride keep claiming?

What's worse? Someone accusing our soldiers of being low-life scum or someone accusing someone of accusing our soldiers of being low-life scum when no such accusations were made?

Seems that you're the latter CurrentAffairs...
 
26 X World Champs said:
Gee I don't recall reading one disparaging word from APS or anyone else putting down our soldiers? Maybe you can link us to the posts that are attacking the soldiers in general as you and you BFF Navy Pride keep claiming?

What's worse? Someone accusing our soldiers of being low-life scum or someone accusing someone of accusing our soldiers of being low-life scum when no such accusations were made?

Seems that you're the latter CurrentAffairs...
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What if the crime had taken place here in America, and the perpetrators were a group of young African-american male civilians?

Would it be appropriate that, either in lieu of or in the same breath as expressing dismay at the crime and sympathy for the victim, everybody who heard the story remarked, with mechanical regularity and apropos of nothing: "But not all black people are like that. I devoutly hope that by reporting this incident, nobody's trying to imply that all black people are like that. I trust that by expressing dismay that this incident occurred, you're not insinuating that all black people are like that. Your expressions of sympathy for the victim had better not mean you think all black people are like that. This isolated incident doesn't mean anything. Stop trying to make it out like all black people are like that... Why don't you talk about some of the good things black people do? If you weren't trying to insinuate that all black people were evil, you'd mention all the positive things they do. Why even mention this incident at all, unless you secretly hate all black people? Blah, blah, blah, etc."
 
Navy Pride said:
I wish I could but Liberals like Kerry, Durbin, Murtha, and Kennedy are the ones that are always putting our military down.....Why don't you libs get together and just tell them to shut the **** up?
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You know I like you, Navy Pride, but I really am VERY disappointed in you. As I stated above, NO ONE in this thread has trashed the entire military. What's rather funny is that YOU are the only one who has raised this issue. If the shoe fits..............
 
26 X World Champs said:
Gee I don't recall reading one disparaging word from APS or anyone else putting down our soldiers?
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That's right, she didn't. That's why I didn't accuse her of such. However, I did give her the opportunity to present a story on the good things happening in Iraq, but she chose not to.

Now, you were saying...?
 
SixStringHero said:
They should just splatter the dude's brains against a wall and be done with it.
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I like the idea of him suffering to some extent. It was like when Jeffrey Dahmer was killed in jail.

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On a separate note, I read that he will be eligible for parole in 10 years under the "plea deal." *sigh*
 
CurrentAffairs said:
That's right, she didn't. That's why I didn't accuse her of such. However, I did give her the opportunity to present a story on the good things happening in Iraq, but she chose not to.

Now, you were saying...?
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Instead of telling others what to post why don't you post what you asked of her? C'mon post stories about the great success that is Iraq...go for it!
 
26 X World Champs said:
Instead of telling others what to post why don't you post what you asked of her? C'mon post stories about the great success that is Iraq...go for it!
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World Champs, I have found CurrentAffairs's behavior regarding this whole incident...hmmmmm....how should I say this?...atypical and rather perplexing. He has gotten very defensive about the following: (1) my disgust towards this one incident about which I posted, (2) how rape is crime of power and not sex, and (3) my failure to post about the honorable service our military does on a daily basis. WTF???
 
aps said:
World Champs, I have found CurrentAffairs's behavior regarding this whole incident...hmmmmm....how should I say this?...atypical and rather perplexing. He has gotten very defensive about the following: (1) my disgust towards this one incident about which I posted, (2) how rape is crime of power and not sex, and (3) my failure to post about the honorable service our military does on a daily basis. WTF???
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Atypical you say? I think not but that is my humble opinion. Don't you remember how the Navy Pride's of Debate Politics attacked anyone who posted threads and opinions about these scummies when the story first broke, then when they were arrested?

I do not recall ever reading posts from people who equated the behavior of these criminals as$holes to the Military in general yet NP and others constantly and consistently lash out AS IF there was a movement at DP to attack our Military.

Amazing!
 
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