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Soldier jailed for angry rap song
By RUSS BYNUM


AP Military Writer

2:20 p.m. Monday, January 11, 2010

An Army soldier is in a Georgia jail on charges that he threatened violence against his superiors in a rap song the soldier recorded to denounce the Army's "stop-loss" policy.

Spc. Marc A. Hall has been jailed for a month on charges that he made threats, both in conversation with members of his infantry unit and in the lyrics to his song "Stop Loss."

Hall's song blasts Army policy for keeping him in uniform past his expected departure date. Hall also raps about grabbing a rifle to spray bullets and "watch all the bodies hit the floor."

Fort Stewart spokesman Kevin Larson said Monday commanders took the threats seriously. Hall's military attorney declined to comment.

A civilian attorney Hall contacted, Jim Klimaski, said the soldier intended no real violence.

Soldier jailed for angry rap song | ajc.com

In the wake of Hasans meltdown it shouldnt really shock anyone that folks are going to take threats like this seriously. He should be in jail just for being the retarded whinebag he's projecting he is in his 'rap'.
 

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Did we throw Ice-T in jail for his song "Cop Killer"? No? Then this guy doesn't go to jail either. It's still America, land of the free. ****ing suck it up and accept it already. Bunch of whinny cry-babies out there wetting themselves over terrorism and allowing that to subvert our rights and liberties. People like that should get the hell out, move to Cuba or some place where they can give away all the freedom they want. Cry babies would make the founder vomit in disgust.
 

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Did we throw Ice-T in jail for his song "Cop Killer"? No? Then this guy doesn't go to jail either. It's still America, land of the free. ****ing suck it up and accept it already. Bunch of whinny cry-babies out there wetting themselves over terrorism and allowing that to subvert our rights and liberties. People like that should get the hell out, move to Cuba or some place where they can give away all the freedom they want. Cry babies would make the founder vomit in disgust.

The difference is that he is in the militay....
He's OWNED.....;)
 

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The difference is that he is in the militay....
He's OWNED.....;)

I suppose maybe if it's in the contract he signed. But I would still say no jail time. It's ridiculous to throw someone in jail for a song. Ice-T's song actively encouraged the killing of cops. This song was venting frustration for being forced to stay after he had a departure date and against the stop-loss policy. There is validity to your point that he is in the military, he did sign a contract. But at the same accord I don't think jailing over a song is rightful. You can investigate and then if you find more credible evidence, ok. But I bet dollars to donuts that this was just a frustrated soldier lashing out in song. And if that's the case, maybe there is some punishment to be had; but not jail time.
 

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I suppose maybe if it's in the contract he signed. But I would still say no jail time. It's ridiculous to throw someone in jail for a song. Ice-T's song actively encouraged the killing of cops. This song was venting frustration for being forced to stay after he had a departure date and against the stop-loss policy. There is validity to your point that he is in the military, he did sign a contract. But at the same accord I don't think jailing over a song is rightful. You can investigate and then if you find more credible evidence, ok. But I bet dollars to donuts that this was just a frustrated soldier lashing out in song. And if that's the case, maybe there is some punishment to be had; but not jail time.

I'm guessing there is a whole slew of charges that can be filed....
Off to the stripey hole with him & a dishororable discharge when his sentence is done.....;)
Of course I am biased because I think anyone who writes or performs rap music should be jailed.....;)
 
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The difference is that he is in the militay....
He's OWNED.....;)

No, being in the military is not being owned. You simply have additional rules to follow.
 

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Like Obama says somebody be held responsible
But some of you all gonna be held in the hospitals, whenever possible…

I’m gonna round up all eventually, easily, walk right up peacefully
And surprise them all
Yes, yes y’all, up against the wall, turn around
I got a mother****in’ magazine with 30 rounds, on a three round burst
Ready to fire down … spray and watch the bodies all hit the floor
I bet you don’t stop-loss nobody no more, in your next lifetime of course…

This is a direct threat to his command.

Too bad. Guess the Army has not taught him discipline or sacrifice.

He signed up,stop loss and all.

http://www.rethinkingschools.org/archive/19_03/military_enlistment.pdf
 

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I suppose maybe if it's in the contract he signed. But I would still say no jail time. It's ridiculous to throw someone in jail for a song. Ice-T's song actively encouraged the killing of cops. This song was venting frustration for being forced to stay after he had a departure date and against the stop-loss policy. There is validity to your point that he is in the military, he did sign a contract. But at the same accord I don't think jailing over a song is rightful. You can investigate and then if you find more credible evidence, ok. But I bet dollars to donuts that this was just a frustrated soldier lashing out in song. And if that's the case, maybe there is some punishment to be had; but not jail time.

Actually, Ice-T's song(it's really a Body Count song) does not promote killing police, it is the first person account of some one who, fed up with police brutality, decides to kill cops. At no point did Ice-T or the song actually encourage people to kill cops. Odd side note, the song was inspired by the Talking Heads song Psychokiller.
 

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I'm guessing there is a whole slew of charges that can be filed....
Off to the stripey hole with him & a dishororable discharge when his sentence is done.....;)
Of course I am biased because I think anyone who writes or performs rap music should be jailed.....;)

We have common ground, as long as you include disco, Musak, and the song "Achey Breakey Heart". :mrgreen:
 

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We have common ground, as long as you include disco, Musak, and the song "Achey Breakey Heart". :mrgreen:

Plus top 40, plus classic rock, plus all country music.
 

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I think Redress hits the nail on the head....

If Ice-T came out with a song specifically talking about how he IS going to kill the cops in his neighborhood for how they treat him I don't doubt he would've found himself in further legal trouble, but he didn't.

This is what I'd ask Ikari....

if this Soldier went and wrote a blog post stating:

Obama says someone must be held responsible for this policy. It may not be soon but I will eventually hold those people responsible, and when I do they will find themselves in the hospital if not worse. They won't know its coming, I'll be walking up to them just as any other day, peaceful, until I surprise them. I will line them all against the wall, guns against their heads, and I will scream to them what I intend to do. And then, when they realize just how serious I am I will let my gun spray and rejoice as the bodies hit the floor. Then we will see this corrupt policy end.

Would you also be saying he shouldn't be investigated, looked into, and possibly even jailed for threats?

What if he walked up to his commanding officers and said it straight to their face that he intends to execute them all in short order? Would that be wrong in your mind?

Since he put this threat to a beat does that suddenly make it okay? If I moonwalk back and forth through my house as I put together my plan and supplies for an attempted robbery which the police later find, am I to be left off on a technicality because I happened to be doing the illegal act while I was dancing?
 
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I think Redress hits the nail on the head....

If Ice-T came out with a song specifically talking about how he IS going to kill the cops in his neighborhood for how they treat him I don't doubt he would've found himself in further legal trouble, but he didn't.

This is what I'd ask Ikari....

if this Soldier went and wrote a blog post stating:



Would you also be saying he shouldn't be investigated, looked into, and possibly even jailed for threats?

What if he walked up to his commanding officers and said it straight to their face that he intends to execute them all in short order? Would that be wrong in your mind?

Since he put this threat to a beat does that suddenly make it okay? If I moonwalk back and forth through my house as I put together my plan and supplies for an attempted robbery which the police later find, am I to be left off on a technicality because I happened to be doing the illegal act while I was dancing?

Was not my point actually, since I am just tired of all the innacuracies about that song(least Ikari did not refer to it as a rap song, which most still do). However, your point is well made and accurate to my mind.
 

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Soldier jailed for angry rap song | ajc.com

In the wake of Hasans meltdown it shouldnt really shock anyone that folks are going to take threats like this seriously. He should be in jail just for being the retarded whinebag he's projecting he is in his 'rap'.

It always amazes me how many wine about stop loss,especially when it is in the contract.It wasn't like the military just invented stop loss yesterday.
 

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It always amazes me how many wine about stop loss,especially when it is in the contract.It wasn't like the military just invented stop loss yesterday.

Stoploss is legal, but it sucks when it happens to you. I cannot understand how any one could not see how it could make people very angry.
 

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He threatens to murder his military superiors and all he gets is a month in jail?

They should have given him a blanket and deported him to Antarctica.
 

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Did we throw Ice-T in jail for his song "Cop Killer"? No? Then this guy doesn't go to jail either. It's still America, land of the free. ****ing suck it up and accept it already. Bunch of whinny cry-babies out there wetting themselves over terrorism and allowing that to subvert our rights and liberties. People like that should get the hell out, move to Cuba or some place where they can give away all the freedom they want. Cry babies would make the founder vomit in disgust.

This guy is in the service and therein lies the difference. Especially following the Ft. Hood massacre.
 

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Stoploss is legal, but it sucks when it happens to you. I cannot understand how any one could not see how it could make people very angry.

Stoploss is a military reality just like eating MRE's and sleeping in the mud. That's why I don't understand why people get mad when they're ETS is frozen during a time of war.
 

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Did we throw Ice-T in jail for his song "Cop Killer"? No? Then this guy doesn't go to jail either. It's still America, land of the free. ****ing suck it up and accept it already. Bunch of whinny cry-babies out there wetting themselves over terrorism and allowing that to subvert our rights and liberties. People like that should get the hell out, move to Cuba or some place where they can give away all the freedom they want. Cry babies would make the founder vomit in disgust.




Uhm, Ice-T wasn't in the Military.
 

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Stoploss is legal, but it sucks when it happens to you. I cannot understand how any one could not see how it could make people very angry.

It is part of your contract on the back of dd form 4/1.They do not have a right to bitch about stop loss, this "its a back door draft" is a load of crap.

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/infomgt/forms/eforms/dd0004.pdf

10. MILITARY SERVICE OBLIGATION, SERVICE ON ACTIVE
DUTY AND STOP-LOSS FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE ACTIVE
AND RESERVE COMPONENTS, INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
GUARD.
a. FOR ALL ENLISTEES: If this is my initial enlistment, I must
serve a total of eight (8) years, unless I am sooner discharged or
otherwise extended by the appropriate authority. This eight year
service requirement is called the Military Service Obligation. Any
part of that service not served on active duty must be served in the
Reserve Component of the service in which I have enlisted. If this is
a reenlistment, I must serve the number of years specified in this
agreement, unless I am sooner discharged or otherwise extended
by the appropriate authority. Some laws that affect when I may be
ordered to serve on active duty, the length of my service on active
duty, and the length of my service in the Reserve Component, even
beyond the eight years of my Military Service Obligation, are
discussed in the following paragraphs.
b. I understand that I can be ordered to active duty at any time
while I am a member of the DEP. In a time of war, my enlistment
may be extended without my consent for the duration of the war and
for six months after its end (10 U.S.C. 506, 12103(c)).
c. As a member of a Reserve Component of an Armed Force, in
time of war or of national emergency declared by the Congress, I
may, without my consent, be ordered to serve on active duty, for the
entire period of the war or emergency and for six (6) months after its
end (10 U.S.C. 12301(a)). My enlistment may be extended during
this period without my consent (10 U.S.C. 12103(c)).

d. As a member of the Ready Reserve (to include Delayed
Entry Program), in time of national emergency declared by the
President, I may, without my consent, be ordered to serve on
active duty, and my military service may be extended without
my consent, for not more than 24 consecutive months (10
U.S.C. 12302). My enlistment may be extended during this
period without my consent (see paragraph 10g).
e. As a member of the Ready Reserve, I may, at any time
and without my consent, be ordered to active duty to complete
a total of 24 months of active duty, and my enlistment may be
extended so I can complete the total of 24 months of active
duty, if:
(1) I am not assigned to, or participating unsatisfactorily in,
a unit of the Ready Reserve; and
(2) I have not met my Reserve obligation; and
(3) I have not served on active duty for a total of 24
months (10 U.S.C. 12303).
f. As a member of the Selected Reserve or as a member
of the Individual Ready Reserve mobilization category, when
the President determines that it is necessary to augment the
active forces for any operational mission or for certain
emergencies, I may, without my consent, be ordered to active
duty for not more than 365 days (10 U.S.C. 12304). My
enlistment may be extended during this period without my
consent (see paragraph 10g).
g. During any period members of a Reserve component
are serving on active duty pursuant to an order to active duty
under authority of 10 U.S.C. 12301, 12302, or 12304, the
President may suspend any provision of law relating to my
promotion, retirement, or separation from the Armed Forces if
he or his designee determines I am essential to the national
security of the United States. Such an action may result in an
extension, without my consent, of the length of service
specified in this agreement. Such an extension is often called
a "stop-loss" extension (10 U.S.C. 12305).
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additional active duty training for not more than 45 days if I
have not fulfilled my military service obligation and fail in any
year to perform the required training duty satisfactorily. If the
failure occurs during the last year of my required membership
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I am aware it is part of the contract. It does not make it suck less, and if you are in the military, you can and will bitch.
 

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From another article:

Charges filed against Hall of Coward, S.C., on Dec. 17, a week after he was jailed, say his threats weren't just confined to his rap recording. The charging document said he also told soldiers he would "go on a rampage" and that he "was planning on shooting the brigade and battalion commanders."

Soldier at Ga. base jailed for angry rap song | ajc.com
 

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I am aware it is part of the contract. It does not make it suck less, and if you are in the military, you can and will bitch.

True, but bitching doesn't include making overt threats towards one's commanding officer.
 

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Seems to me this guy screwed up. I think it's cut and dry.
 

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I think Redress hits the nail on the head....

If Ice-T came out with a song specifically talking about how he IS going to kill the cops in his neighborhood for how they treat him I don't doubt he would've found himself in further legal trouble, but he didn't.

This is what I'd ask Ikari....

if this Soldier went and wrote a blog post stating:



Would you also be saying he shouldn't be investigated, looked into, and possibly even jailed for threats?

What if he walked up to his commanding officers and said it straight to their face that he intends to execute them all in short order? Would that be wrong in your mind?

Since he put this threat to a beat does that suddenly make it okay? If I moonwalk back and forth through my house as I put together my plan and supplies for an attempted robbery which the police later find, am I to be left off on a technicality because I happened to be doing the illegal act while I was dancing?

I didn't say he couldn't be investigated or looked into because of the song. In fact, I didn't say he shouldn't be punished at all. In fact, I specifically said otherwise on that point since he was in fact in the military and signed a contract. What I said was that the song alone was not enough to warrant jail.
 
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